===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58

Posted by: Lex

===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/15/12 05:38 PM

welcomeBy way of reminder, the object of this game is to solve the clue presented by the previous poster and then set your own clue.

Anything from the (worldwide) crossword arena is acceptable by way of clue style, but if you stray from the pure path beware the scourge of... ...Pandora's WET NOODLE! scared

The puzzle could be an old favourite or something of your own making. Don't be shy: this is for everyone, not just the old hands!

There is nothing to prevent (say) a couple of related clues if offering a single clue cramps your style.

If there are multiple answers involved, there is no restriction against one person solving all and the solver of the final clue/part is the one who goes next.

Obviously you need to await confirmation of a correct answer before posting your own puzzle, but please then do so reasonably promptly: if having answered correctly you are not going to be able to set a follow-up clue within about the next 24 hours, please pass your turn to someone else so that the game does not stall.

To save the poor demented solvers from excessive brain damage, hardwall you should consider giving a hint as to letters when the question is set, unless the answer is relatively short/easy so that provision of a letter hint at the outset would spoil the sport!

If no-one is biting within about 24 hours you are encouraged to start dropping additional hints.

To try to give everyone a fair crack of the whip, the immediately previous setter is asked not to post a solution to the current clue within the first 24 hours.

The weighty trophy to be passed to whoever successfully solves your clue is the jewel-encrusted World Clue Federation Championship Belt ===[**WCF**]===

Constructive criticism and cheerful badinage are to be expected,
not to mention a certain amount of national rivalry, but above all, have a bit of fun! rah catrub

The current title-holder Sherlock will post her offering shortly.

Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/15/12 08:09 PM

Thanks, Lex!

To be served with fat (5)
Posted by: Koala

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/15/12 08:56 PM

To be served with fat (5)

Obese - Hidden word - T(o be se)rved

smile
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/15/12 09:37 PM

Consider yourself served, Koala! grin
===[**WCF**]===
Posted by: Koala

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/16/12 01:07 AM

Thank you Ma'am.

Small man that makes a move Monday evening, perhaps (9)

smile
Posted by: Koala

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/17/12 02:50 AM

Hmmmmmmmmmm....clue time I guess...

Direct = Monday evening, perhaps

happydance
Posted by: Lex

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/17/12 03:22 PM

weeknight - wee (small) + knight (man that makes a move) smile
Posted by: Koala

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/17/12 06:01 PM

Good move Lex...over to you.

===[**WCF**]===

happydance
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/17/12 09:12 PM

Small man that makes a move Monday evening, perhaps (9)

Isn't "Monday evening, perhaps", only an example
of "weeknight", not a definition?
A bit like "The Hilton, perhaps" is not a definition
of "hotel".

Just checking....
Posted by: Lex

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/18/12 09:05 AM

Koala, thank you for the belt, and for even delivering it right side up! wink

Denis, I think "the Hilton, perhaps" would be acceptable as meaning "hotel" for crossword clue purposes, and prompts this clue (which is probably too easy):

Perhaps Iliad disclosing perhaps Odyssey? No, quite the opposite! (8)
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/18/12 11:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Lex
Denis, I think "the Hilton, perhaps" would be acceptable as meaning "hotel" for crossword clue purposes,

Is that same as "cryptic crossword clue purposes"?
I still don't thing it's legal as "definition" in a crypic clue...
Posted by: Pandora

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/18/12 12:21 PM

"the Hilton, perhaps" is a perfectly fine direct for "hotel". Really, what else would you think of? smile
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/18/12 01:14 PM

OK; happy to learn that...
Always thought you could use such as "charade",
with a definition, like:
Perhaps The Hilton inn ; inn being definition.

It'll sure make my life easier with future clues!
Posted by: Lex

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/18/12 05:36 PM

Quote:
It'll sure make my life easier with future clues
...and our lives tougher, no doubt! smile
Posted by: Lex

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/19/12 08:14 AM

Perhaps not as easy as I thought/feared...but the answer is staring you in the face! grin
Posted by: Lex

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/20/12 04:18 AM

Early second day hint: "Perhaps Iliad" is the direct, and the answer is a word which I did not realise has this meaning (more usually having musical connotations).
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/20/12 08:08 AM

rhapsody (contained word) wave
Posted by: Lex

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/20/12 08:23 AM

Another IOM baton pass: ===[**WCF**]=== smile
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/20/12 10:53 AM

What d'heck is "No, quite the opposite" doing there?
Posted by: Lex

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/20/12 11:44 AM

The clue could have been simply "perhaps Odyssey discloses perhaps Iliad," but I reversed it to make it less obvious, and therefore the vice versa aspect needed stating.
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/20/12 12:52 PM

Oh oh....do I hear the wet noodle warming up... scared
Posted by: Pandora

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/20/12 12:59 PM

Oh Lex, this is going to hurt me more than it does you. That was massively illegal. Ten lashes. Sorry.
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/20/12 01:07 PM

Thanks Lex. Condolences on your whipping smile

Some bachelor never returned record (5)
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/20/12 01:43 PM

Some bacheLOR NEver returned record = enrol

some = container indicator; like, some of "bachelor never"?
If so, real cute!
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/20/12 01:46 PM

Here you go...===[**WCF**] === wave
Posted by: Lex

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/20/12 03:33 PM

I'm having trouble understanding what it was about my clue that was so illegal, in that I am sure I have seen a similar device used elsewhere in clues.

However, the dictionary down the back of the trousers rendered the whipping less fierce! smile
Posted by: Pandora

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/20/12 03:47 PM

Quote:
I am sure I have seen a similar device used elsewhere in clues.


That's always possible, Lex. It was probably one of Denis's. wink But a hidden word must be intact in the clue. kissy
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/20/12 07:20 PM

Merci MxM...

To happen last month, perhaps (5)
Posted by: Pandora

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/21/12 09:14 AM

It has been brought to my attention that I might have made a mistake! I know, shocking. wink

Perhaps Iliad disclosing perhaps Odyssey? No, quite the opposite! (8)

"rhapsody" IS intact within the clue, but the verb "disclosing" indicates that the hiding was done in "perhaps Iliad". Not such an egregious error, maybe half a lash worth, at most. Adding in "No, quite the opposite" doesn't clearly indicate that the clue should be switched around.

My apologies, Lex. It's dangerous to rely on my memory these days, but if you do make a mistake or two in the future, you've already paid the horrible price.
Posted by: Urban Worrier

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/21/12 02:17 PM

Maybe (month with to happen ("be") last) smile
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/21/12 05:17 PM

Maybe you'll wear this: ===[**WCF**]===
Posted by: Urban Worrier

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/21/12 06:22 PM

With pride, Denis!

Nice easy one:
Shelter has a point in principle (5)
Posted by: Lex

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/22/12 05:02 AM

Quote:
It has been brought to my attention that I might have made a mistake! I know, shocking.


Heresy! lol

Quote:
Constructive criticism and cheerful badinage are to be expected, not to mention a certain amount of national rivalry, but above all, have a bit of fun!


All noodle scars appreciated and worn with pride (as they should be, whether fully deserved or not). kissy

Quote:
Adding in "No, quite the opposite" doesn't clearly indicate that the clue should be switched around.


I was trying to avoid being too clear... wink
Posted by: Lex

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/22/12 05:36 AM

...and in answer to Rog's clue, tenet = principle - tent (shelter) containing (has) e (a point).
Posted by: Urban Worrier

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/22/12 01:13 PM

Excellent, Lex! smile

Sorry about the brick dust - we're moving our kitchen around: ===[**WCF**]===
Posted by: Lex

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/22/12 05:31 PM

Thank you Rog: plenty of similar dust in our conservatory where I need to finish some plasterwork repairs. smile

Mockery of evil in odd angle (8)
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/22/12 06:27 PM

bad (evil) in age (odd angle)
badinage = mockery grin
Posted by: Lex

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/23/12 05:08 AM

Yes Ma'am! Here you go: ===[**WCF**]=== smile

...and Happy Birthday to Rog! urock
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/23/12 11:09 AM

Thank you, Lex! wink

Leap or dance to embrace the return of fall (4)
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/23/12 09:04 PM

drop
contained, reversed
leaP OR Dance smile
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/23/12 09:56 PM

Leaping and dancing into your hands.. ===[**WCF**]=== grin
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/23/12 10:52 PM

Thank you Sherlock wave

Lost? Put on a little light (6)
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/24/12 12:00 AM

ADD(put on)LED(a little light; Light Emitting Diode)
addled = lost
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/24/12 08:23 AM

Here's the belt with some little lights added. smile
===[**WCF**]===
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/24/12 11:46 AM

Merci MxM...
Inspired by Sue's : Debut of play confuses stars (10)

Sue is at last on debut of play (6) no "e"
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/25/12 10:35 AM

Day#1 clue: direct is Sue
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/25/12 11:10 PM

I'm a little uncomfortable with "sue" as direct
(dictionary shows as "related word"),
so I'll change clue to:
Movement at last on debut of play (6) no "e"
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/26/12 07:26 PM

Day#2 clue: ----on
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/26/12 07:58 PM

action? crazy

Act 1 = debut of play
last on = position ind.
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/26/12 10:51 PM

lights camera action ===[**WCF**]=== !!
Posted by: Lex

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/27/12 07:05 AM

Denis, you were right to be concerned about sue as the direct as it is a verb and "action" in the sense of a (law) suit cannot be used in that way.
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/27/12 08:10 AM

I wasn't sure after seeing this at dictionary.com:

Related Words for : sue
action, litigate, process

Related Words for : action
litigate, process, sue, accomplish, carry out

...with "litigate and process" common to both.

And then, I've seen clues where verbs are "made up";
like "I'll action you" instead of "I'll take action against you"...
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/27/12 06:46 PM

Thanks, Denis! wink

Pistol-whipped and hung (7)
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/27/12 07:40 PM

handgun (anag.) wave
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/27/12 08:38 PM

And the belt shoots over to you, manxman! wave ===[**WCF**]===
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/28/12 12:20 AM

Thank you Sherlock wave

Tribesman wants wild area (6)
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/28/12 10:49 PM

no e's smile
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/29/12 12:03 PM

Tswana 
noun, plural Tswa·nas, ( especially collectively ) Tswa·na.
1. a member of a numerous people of Botswana and neighboring parts of South Africa.
wild = indicator: wants + a
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/29/12 03:37 PM

And the belt goes to a fellow Canadian tribe member.......===[**WCF**]===
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/29/12 04:06 PM

Merci M'sieu...

Formally refuses Royal Birds! (7) 2 vowels
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 09/30/12 08:10 PM

Day#1 clue: direct on left
Posted by: Koala

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/01/12 02:21 AM

R-egrets

smile
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/01/12 06:11 AM

Non, je ne regrette rien: ===[**WCF**]===

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFtGfyruroU
Posted by: Koala

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/02/12 12:13 AM

I think I'm right...err...Thanks Denis.

Cold-hearted family in fund losing 25% up front (6)

smile
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/02/12 07:51 AM

unKINd grin
Posted by: Koala

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/03/12 12:28 AM

thumbsup

===[**WCF**]===

happydance
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/03/12 05:07 PM

Thanks, Koala! smile

Beat us after taking a break (6)
Posted by: Pandora

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/03/12 06:45 PM

hiatus

beat = hit
taking "a"

smile
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/03/12 09:16 PM

Good one, Sue! wave ===[**WCF**]===
Posted by: Pandora

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/03/12 10:08 PM

Thank you, Cheryl! wave

Cans winless duo? (4)
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/03/12 10:50 PM

t(w)ins ?
If so, shouldn't it be "duos"?
Posted by: Pandora

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/03/12 11:11 PM

Good solve, Denis. I'm pretty sure duo = twins. Duos would imply more than one pair of twins. smile

===[**WCF**]===
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/04/12 12:06 AM

Merci Madame.

Showed up often for happy times (8) one "e"

Plus solving this wordie gets you 2 extra diamonds:

Ell-ng-on (4,2,3)
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/04/12 01:05 AM

wordie: Duke it out smile
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/04/12 07:37 AM

Yes; but you get the 2 diamonds only if you solve the crypt!
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/04/12 08:56 PM

Showed up often for happy times (8) one "e"

Day#1 clue: direct on right
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/06/12 10:49 AM

2nd clue:
12345678 : 1234 = showed up, 5678 = often
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/06/12 05:48 PM

camelots grin

showed up = came
often = lots
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/06/12 06:58 PM

Have camelots wearing this: ===[**WCF**]===
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/06/12 07:12 PM

Thank you, Sir Denis! grin

Haul head of elephant in sled (4)
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/06/12 09:28 PM

luge
lug+e wave
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/06/12 11:12 PM

Good solve, manxman! grin
===[**WCF**]===
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/06/12 11:46 PM

thank you Sherlock wave

Manage to be upset with husband for a long time (5)
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/07/12 05:05 AM

epoch = a long time
epoc = cope (upset = indicator) = manage
h = husband = Rog?
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/07/12 10:31 AM

here you go CD..===[**WCF**]=== .. wave
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/07/12 12:19 PM

Merci M'sieu.

Screwball hit twice (7) no "e"
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/08/12 12:00 AM

dingbat? grin

ding = hit
bat = hit
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/08/12 12:21 AM

Another way:
2 hits for Edith, per Archie!

Don't hit the soccer referee with it! ===[**WCF**]===
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/08/12 06:29 PM

Thanks, Denis! But, I AM the soccer referee. I froze my **** off this weekend, too! grin

End of new roaster is braided (5)
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/08/12 07:48 PM

woven
w+oven wave
Posted by: Sherlock

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/08/12 08:02 PM

Good one, manxman! wink ===[**WCF**]===
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/08/12 08:18 PM

Thank you Sherlock wave

In which, heartlessly, you slam crackpot? (6)
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/09/12 06:57 PM

first clue...no e's smile
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/09/12 07:45 PM

In which, heartlessly, you slam crackpot? (6)

Looks like "asylum": anagram of "y(o)u slam";
yu = you heartlessly; indicator = crackpot?
Plus looks like whole clue is the direct; if so,
quite good surface...but don't think legal...
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/09/12 09:37 PM

===[**WCF**]=== All yours Denis wave
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/09/12 10:50 PM

Merci.

Measures angles for machine (10) no "e's"
Posted by: Urban Worrier

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/10/12 05:05 PM

Pro-tractor smile
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/10/12 05:20 PM

Yaggot the angle! ===[**WCF**]===
Posted by: Urban Worrier

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/10/12 05:32 PM

TYVM, Denis smile

Doubt if this'll get as far as the first hint:

Thus cover condition using semiconductors (5-5) - one "e"
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/10/12 06:59 PM

solid state wave

so lid state
Posted by: Urban Worrier

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/11/12 03:59 PM

Good one, manxman. One belt winging your way: ===[**WCF**]=== wave
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/11/12 05:13 PM

Thanks UW wave

Official letter--United's in exile (7)
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/12/12 06:59 PM

clue....no a's , no i's wave
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/13/12 06:51 PM

ok...direct is 'exile' yes
Posted by: CanukDenis

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/13/12 08:18 PM

REFugee ?

REF = official
u = united
gee = letter (g)
Posted by: manxman

Re: ===[**WCF**]=== Chain crypt - Bout 58 - 10/13/12 10:15 PM

Well done CD ===[**WCF**]===