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Hangman revisited - back to basics

Posted By: Lex

Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 09:59 AM

catrub By popular demand, a return to simpler days! Please read the instructions carefully as these are not quite the usual rules of the traditional game, but they seem to work better for an interactive on-line effort such as this. Hopefully everything is reasonably clear, but please do not hesitate to ask for help or clarification.

The rules

(i) The setter puts up a word or a short well-known expression in blank (so that all the players know is the number of letters in each word). The expression might be for example a book, play, film or music title or the name of a famous person or character, or perhaps a proverb or saying: it is entirely up to the setter. The setter should also consider giving a descriptive hint unless this is likely to make the game too easy.

(ii) Someone else posts at least two letters which he/she thinks might be in the word/expression.

(iii) The setter enters any correctly guessed letter in the position(s) in which it occurs in the word/expression, meanwhile starting to add the hanged person to the gallows with one step for each incorrectly guessed letter. Five steps are needed to complete the victim (head, body, both legs, both arms, face).

(iv) Someone posts another two (or more) letters, and so on. There is nothing to prevent the same person posting consecutive sets of letters, or even hogging an entire game, but please have some consideration for other addicts! snicker

(v) Ideally, you should probably wait for the setter to let you know whether a previous guess is correct before guessing again, but it seems to work okay if there are a couple of guesses oustanding at one time. However, tread carefully if only a couple of steps remain before the picture is complete! scared

(vi) At any stage anyone can try to guess the whole word/expression, but a wrong word/expression guess results in two steps towards the completion of the picture. evil

(vii) The setter wins if the picture of the hanged person is completed: otherwise the person to correctly guess the word is the winner, and hopefully then sets the next word/expression.

Note for setters on creating the picture of the gallows and hanged person

The picture steps (kindly contributed by Pandora) are in a photobucket album on the internet which are accessed by using one of the urls (web addresses) below, and here's how you do it:

In the full reply screen one of the option buttons across the top is "enter an image" which then offers you a choice of various image positions to insert followed by a dialogue box for a url.

You just copy and paste the url you need, deleting and replacing as you go through the game and want to change the picture.

I have been using the position "non-floating image" and have not fully understand the difference between that and the varous "floating image" options. Feel free to experiment as it's just a bit of fun!

The urls

The gallows, in place at the start of the game
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/PandoraSD/Hangman/G4.gif

Step one, the head of the condemned person
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/PandoraSD/Hangman/H1.gif

Step two, the body
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/PandoraSD/Hangman/H2.gif

Step three, both legs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/PandoraSD/Hangman/H4.gif

Step four, both arms
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/PandoraSD/Hangman/H6.gif

Step five, the face of death eek
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/PandoraSD/Hangman/H10.gif
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 10:20 AM

Your starter for five:


Q U I R K Y (one word 6 letters) an adjective - guessed by Curly after the sentence had been commuted

Wrongly guessed letters: PCWOFL
Number of wrong guesses left: -1


Your fate awaits you... devil

Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 11:10 AM

Only 6 letters! evil Methinks you're going to finally hang the man with this one.

I R
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 11:34 AM

Good morning Jema!

Whilst I was hoping this might take a little solving, your first guess is disappointingly accurate... cry
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 11:56 AM

It's too early to cry, Lex. lol It was a lucky guess. I still think you're going to hang the man this time. grin
Posted By: curly

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 12:33 PM

P and C
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 01:08 PM

Sorry (but not very!) Remi: no score. smile
Posted By: curly

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 01:40 PM

W and O
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 02:05 PM

Two more misses!

Descriptive hint added.

The rope's getting shorter, but (if necessary) I'll let this run until it's solved to see whether there's a case for increasing the number of guesses.
Posted By: Flo NS

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 02:20 PM

F L
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 03:10 PM

No luck, Flo! happydance

You were right Jema, the man is hanged, but as a matter of interest let's sse how many guesses are needed to crack it.
Posted By: curly

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 03:17 PM

smirky or quirky??

Salut Lex.
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 03:45 PM

Quirky it is - merci Remi!

As that was quite a tough one I'll keep it at five steps for now and see how we go.

Here's another:


S M O K E S T A _ K * L I G _ T N I N G (two words 10,9) music title

Wrongly guessed letters: RU
Wrong guesses remaining: 3



There's only one way out of here... crazy

Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 03:49 PM

A, L wave
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 03:52 PM

Hi MxM: both on target.
Posted By: Flo NS

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 03:56 PM

R E
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 04:00 PM

Hi Flo: one good, one not.
Posted By: curly

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 04:54 PM

M N O
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 05:50 PM

Told ya! grin

BTW, Lex, thanks much for going back to this. happydance

I U
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 06:31 PM

All good save U, and you are more than welcome Jema! smile

(I am still slightly hankering after the format where identical letters have to be guessed more than once...)
Posted By: Sondi

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 06:53 PM

G, S

wave
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 07:02 PM

Hi Sondi, correct on both counts: methinks you know the answer! smile
Posted By: Haroula

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 07:08 PM

K and T wave
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/13/13 07:13 PM

Two more in the bullseye, Haroula.
Posted By: Haroula

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/14/13 06:49 PM

Smokestack Lightning smile wave
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/14/13 07:16 PM

Correct: I thought everyone was avoiding completing the game for fear of being asked to set the next one... lol

Haroula, are you sufficiently tempted yet, or would you prefer me to post another one?

Also, apart from Jema does anyone else have strong feelings against the idea of making multiple occurrences of the same letter require multiple guesses (justifying more steps to complete the picture)?
Posted By: Haroula

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/14/13 07:38 PM

Lex,no thanks smile
woozy
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/14/13 07:59 PM

Here's another:

B R I D G E * O V E R * T R O U B L E D * W A T E R (four words 6,4,8,5) music title - guessed by ManxMan

Wrong guesses: N
Wrong guesses remaining: 4

The hangman cometh... zombie

Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/14/13 08:55 PM

T, N wave
Posted By: Niki

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/14/13 10:25 PM

E R
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/14/13 10:33 PM

Three out of four right, and all multiples! cry
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/14/13 10:50 PM

Bridge Over Troubled Water wave
Posted By: Niki

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/14/13 10:55 PM

wow manxman praise
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 08:24 AM

Lex, you're like a dog with a bone. grin

Pretty please with a cherry on top, leave the game as is. catrub
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 09:09 AM

Jema, how can I possibly refuse? lol
Mind you, this was a case in point: the multiples made it a very short game.

Manxman, are you up for having a go?

Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 01:20 PM

I'll give it my best shot..... smile

PYGMALION (9 letters)(play or movie title) Correctly answered by Jema

Incorrect guesses: ETWRS
Incorrect guesses remaining: 0 (keep trying tho)


Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 01:29 PM

Good for you!

E and T
Posted By: Cue

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 01:30 PM

W and R
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 01:36 PM

Sorry boys, that's 4 incorrect guesses wave

Hint: Title of a Play smile
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 02:53 PM

O and S?
Posted By: Sondi

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 03:26 PM

L, N

wave
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 04:12 PM

Jema, 1 correct (O)
Sondi, 2 correct wave
Posted By: Niki

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 04:35 PM

Papillon think
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 04:57 PM

Pygmalion? wave
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 06:03 PM

Sorry Niki
Good one Jema thumbsup
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 07:21 PM

all this hanging! lol Perhaps we need another step or two.

Of course, as you stumped us you get to go again MxM.
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 09:28 PM

Ok Lex smile

M U T A N T * C H R O N I C L E S (6,10)Solved by Cue bravo
lesser known movie title

Incorrect guesses:
Incorrect guesses remaining: 5

Posted By: Cue

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 09:42 PM

A and E
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 10:08 PM

2 lucky guesses for Cue smile
Posted By: Niki

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 11:22 PM

R T

was George Raft in this movie wink
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 11:35 PM

2 for 2 Niki smile No to George Raft tho smile
Posted By: Niki

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 11:50 PM

I N
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/15/13 11:56 PM

2 more good ones Niki thumbsup
Posted By: Niki

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 12:07 AM

I know what it is so I will keep quiet now wave
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 12:19 AM

idea shhhhh Niki smile
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 12:26 AM

L and O wave
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 12:28 AM

Good ones Jema bravo
Posted By: Sondi

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 01:00 AM

S,U

wave
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 01:08 AM

Good Sondi wave
Someone will have to answer sooner or later lol
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 09:05 AM

C and H wink
Posted By: Cue

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 12:28 PM

Mutant Chronicles
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 01:10 PM

Congratulations Cue bravo
2 good ones Lex smile
Posted By: Cue

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 01:55 PM

It was a toughie, manxman lol

Okay, here we go...

B R I G A D O O N (film) Guessed by Niki

Right Guesses: BNO
Wrong Guesses: T

Posted By: Niki

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 02:53 PM

T O
Posted By: Cue

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 04:31 PM

One good, one not so good smile
Posted By: Redz

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 04:36 PM

B & N wave
Posted By: Cue

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 04:54 PM

All I can say is

Right on both!
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 06:33 PM

R, I, G grin
Posted By: Flo NS

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 06:41 PM

I loved that film when I was younger.
Posted By: Niki

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 06:43 PM

Brigadoon
Posted By: Cue

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 07:15 PM

You all are too good lol

You want a go Niki?
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 07:52 PM

I see that you are all moving along nicely without my interference, but I have had another idea...! (Don't all groan at once) lol

I still think that multiple occurrences of the same letter are a big giveaway, so how about this: I bring back the letter bank, but only for duplicate letters. This means that if a word/expression has (say) 3 Ts and someone guesses T, only one goes into the outline straightaway, while the others go into the bank. That way everyone knows how many Ts there are, but not where they go.

Any thoughts?
Posted By: Niki

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 07:55 PM

someone else have a go please smile
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 08:00 PM

Isn't that the same it was before?

You already know what I think. thumbsdown

But it is your puzzle, so do what you will. smile

wave
Posted By: Niki

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 08:08 PM

It`s working fine as it is kissy
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 08:33 PM

Jema, do you want to set one or would you prefer me to?
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 08:46 PM

Lex, I'll do one - while it's still all good. grin


M O U N T A I N * H I G H * V A L L E Y * L O W (4 words - 8, 4, 6, 3) - Song Title (Guessed by manxman)


Correct letter guesses: O U T N I H W L M
Wrong letter guesses: S
Wrong puzzle guesses:
Wrong guesses remaining: 4


Posted By: Niki

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 08:57 PM

O U
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 09:45 PM

Double d*mn!!! Both correct. I think you already know it, Niki! razz
Posted By: Haroula

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 10:01 PM

S and T smile
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 10:05 PM

N, I
Posted By: Sondi

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 10:23 PM

H, W smile

wave
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 10:33 PM

Haroula, T - yes, S- no

Et tu, manxman. wink Both good.

And yet another et tu, Sondi. whistle Both good.


I thought this would be a little tougher than it's turning out to be. cry
Posted By: Niki

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 10:35 PM

I know it now Jema but will leave it to run yes
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 10:49 PM

L M smile
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/16/13 11:31 PM

Both good, manxman. whistle
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 01:06 AM

Mountain High Valley Low smile
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 01:22 AM

manxman bravo
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 01:28 AM

Thank you Jema wave

G O D Z I L L A (one word--movie title)solved by Haroula

Correct letter guesses:AIGDOL
Incorrect letter guesses:
Incorrect puzzle guesses: 0
Incorrect guesses remaining: 5

Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 01:41 AM

A I wave
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 01:44 AM

Toooooo good cry
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 01:33 PM

Where is everybody?

D O wave
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 01:40 PM

...at work in my case! smile

G and L.

I see that MxM is starting to feel the pace: A and I are shown as incorrect guesses. lol
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 03:32 PM

Sorry Lex. Senior moment smile
All good guesses bravo Anyone want to hazzard a wild guess lol
Posted By: Haroula

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 04:22 PM

Z lol whistle wave
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 04:53 PM

Well done Haroula. By default you have guessed the correct answer. Will you do the honour of the next Hangman? thumbsup
Posted By: Haroula

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 05:00 PM

No thanks smile wave
Posted By: Cue

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 06:55 PM

I'll have another go...
G H O S T B U S T E R S (film) Guessed in one turn by Redz

Correct Guesses:HS
Wrong Guesses:
Wrong Guesses Remaining: 5

Posted By: Redz

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 08:11 PM

H & S wave
Posted By: Cue

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 08:20 PM

Do you have ESP, Joan? lol
Posted By: Redz

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 09:13 PM

Ghostbusters yay

Not too many one word movies of that length.
I run through the alphabet and it hits me...sometimes crazy

a wild guess!
Posted By: Cue

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 09:33 PM

Nice, Joan. lol You made short work of that one.

Do you want to have a go? If not, someone else will have to take over.
Posted By: Redz

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 09:44 PM

I will graciously DECLINE lol
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/17/13 11:56 PM

To keep it going until Lex is back on, I'll do one.


S C A R E C R O W * A N D * M R S * K I N G (4 words - 9, 3, 3, 4) TV series (Guessed by Cue)


Correct letter guesses: E R A M N D S
Wrong letter guesses: T P
Wrong puzzle guesses:
Wrong guesses remaining: 3


Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/18/13 12:30 AM

T, E wave
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/18/13 01:38 AM

manxman, E - yes, T- no wave
Posted By: Haroula

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/18/13 07:52 AM

R and A smile
Posted By: curly

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/18/13 09:04 AM

M and P
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/18/13 09:13 AM

Good efforts by all, for which thanks!

I'll join in again at the weekend when less distracted by that inconvenient thing called work... wink
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/18/13 09:33 AM

Haroula, both good wave

Curly, M - yes, P - no wave
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/18/13 01:23 PM

N, D, S smile
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/18/13 01:35 PM

All good, manxman whistle
Posted By: Cue

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/18/13 02:05 PM

Looks like "Scarecrow and Mrs King" wave
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/18/13 08:02 PM

That's the one, Cue! bravo

Over to you.
Posted By: Cue

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/18/13 08:31 PM

Thanks, Jema. I'd love to post another but I'll be going soon and won't be available for a while. Over to someone else....
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/18/13 11:50 PM

I don't mind doing one....

Correct letter guesses:O U S E N
Wrong letter guesses: A I C
Wrong puzzle guesses:
Wrong guesses remaining: 2




G U N S M O K E (one word TV series)solved by Lex bravo

Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 12:05 AM

A I wave
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 12:13 AM

Sorry Jema, both incorrect wave
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 12:17 AM

Well, at least it's a good start on the hanging. grin
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 12:43 AM

you've reduced the available vowels tho smile evil
Posted By: curly

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 11:30 AM

C and O
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 12:35 PM

O is good, C not wave
Posted By: BobH

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 01:18 PM

E N
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 01:20 PM

U and S: time to smoke out those vowels! wink
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 01:20 PM

Two good ones Bob thumbsup
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 01:21 PM

Fire away Lex whistle
Posted By: BobH

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 01:24 PM

Holy Smoke! Did Lex really get it on one letter?
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 01:34 PM

Bob and Lex, which of you cowboys wants to answer and start the next one wave
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 01:36 PM

Manxman and I have similarly warped thought processes on occasion, which is probably why Gunsmoke sprang to mind!


D R A _ N E _ (one word 7 letters) another TV series

Wrong guesses: HISBC
Lives left: 0

Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 01:39 PM

Must be the IOM influence Lex yes
Posted By: curly

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 01:44 PM

E and H
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 01:53 PM

Salut, Curly: one good, one not. smile
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 04:05 PM

A I

What's IOM?

wave
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 07:31 PM

Jema, it is Isle of Man, where Lex resides and I originally came from smile
Posted By: Sondi

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 07:53 PM

R,S

wave
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 09:02 PM

One of each for each!
Posted By: Haroula

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 09:09 PM

B and N wave
Posted By: manxman

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 10:28 PM

C D wave
Posted By: Lex

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/19/13 10:58 PM

Two good...TOO BAD! eek

But I'm sure someone will get it now, and i'll start a new thread tomorrow, perhaps increasing to six lives.
Posted By: Jema

Re: Hangman revisited - back to basics - 04/20/13 12:22 AM

Lex, I got entangled in your dragnet, and that's just a fact. grin

Thanks for answering my question, manxman. wave
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