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#286800 - 02/29/08 10:28 AM Outcast - playing on Windows XP
oldfeeble Offline
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I am revisiting my old favorite - Outcast. I installed it on my Dell Dimension 8200 (2.4 MHz?) running Windows XP, which far exceeds the modest request of the game for a 300 MHz Pentium II system.

I was wondering if it is wise to use the 3.0 patch for this game? I had heard that there may be problems with that patch, as opposed to maybe an earlier version. Any information on that?

Also, the graphics don't look very good and I was wondering if it is my settings. Does anyone remember what these older games prefer for resolution, etc.? I have the display set at 1024 x 768 which seems reasonable for most everyday viewing. Does the game set it's own resolution or use the PC setting?

And finally, would it be better to lower the hardware accelerator or stuff like that? The game seems to run okay so far, just that the graphics are fuzzy and the mouse movement seems sluggish. Maybe that is just the older game? I set the mouse to maximum sensitivity on the game options.

I haven't given much information about my system but I can dig that out if it would be helpful.

Thanks for any assistance you can provide.

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#286859 - 02/29/08 01:17 PM Re: Outcast - playing on Windows XP [Re: ]
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I don't recall using a patch. Seems like there was a reference to the North American version not needing it. Maybe you can sort it out from this old thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys....mp;start=0&

As for the graphics, I'm not surprised they look a bit fuzzy since it is an old game that used a different type of graphics. Have you checked screenshots in reviews? Also, if you are playing on a large LCD monitor, it is going to look worse than on a smaller CRT. I use a 17" CRT for old games.

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#286898 - 02/29/08 02:55 PM Re: Outcast - playing on Windows XP [Re: Pokey]
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The UK version would not work with DirectX later than DirectX 6.
The US version worked with DirectX 7.
I didn't know that and patched the US version. I don't think it changes anything if you do. I was playing in Windows 98.

Apparently it does work in XP, at least if you have the right configuration. One person at ntcompatible said it needed the patch.
http://ntcompatible.com/Outcast_c1073.html

If the installer tries to install DirectX 7, choose not to install it. If you have XP SP2, install the game in your My Documents folder instead of the default Program Files folder.

I don't remember whether the game has options for resolution, but it might since it is a real time 3D game. I played it in 640x480 because I had an old ATI Rage Fury for a video card.

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#286908 - 02/29/08 03:06 PM Re: Outcast - playing on Windows XP [Re: Jenny100]
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Who was it that said "you can never go home"? It seems that what was once a game that I really enjoyed playing on my old computer is really awful on a newer computer. The graphics are fuzzy and rather blurry, especially when I leave the starting area and move to the first zone. And my monitor is only 17" I think - but this computer has a pretty powerful video card as I recall.

I just recently gave away my old Dell 600 MHz computer since I didn't think I would be playing the older games in my closet. Then the nostalgia bug bit me in the midst of cabin fever because of this winter that never ends. But things are just never the same. Now I have to decide if I should get rid of all my old games or buy another old computer to play them on.......

Anyway, thanks for the good information. I don't think I need the patch, I don't remember ever using it the first time I played years ago. The game played well - I guess I am just completely spoiled by the newer games.

Excuse me while I go drown my sorrows..............


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#286915 - 02/29/08 03:18 PM Re: Outcast - playing on Windows XP [Re: ]
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The biggest problem I know of with this game is that, with faster processors, you will not be able to ride the Twon-Ha unless you use a slowdown program.

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#286927 - 02/29/08 03:38 PM Re: Outcast - playing on Windows XP [Re: Marian]
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Yes, it is hard to go back to the older graphics. I have some games that I waited several years to play and now they look so bad compared to newer games. There are a few good ones that I will still play like Fallout.

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#287017 - 02/29/08 09:14 PM Re: Outcast - playing on Windows XP [Re: Pokey]
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As long as you don't switch back and forth between newer and older games, you may find you adapt to the older graphics and don't notice them so much as you play longer.

Also, sometimes these old games really do look better when played on older computers using a CRT monitor instead of an LCD.

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#291054 - 03/08/08 07:07 PM Re: Outcast - playing on Windows XP [Re: Jenny100]
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I have Outcast running in XP at last, after running extracting patch 3 using 7-zip and then copying all the files in the oc folder of the patch to the oc folder of the game. To get the music playing (and getting rid of the CD music/audio file error) you have to make sure you install from or change the CD drive letter to the highest letter of your drives. Currently I have to restart to get the music playing well with the digitized sounds as something happens when I play then quit then play again, as i get the audio error again.

Only problem I have, is in the rice fields, when entering the water, my character goes from running to slow walking. This is a problem when trying to stay clear of soldiers or in fights with them, as NPC's have no problem running through the water!
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#291115 - 03/08/08 09:40 PM Re: Outcast - playing on Windows XP [Re: UK_John]
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Originally Posted By: UK_John
Only problem I have, is in the rice fields, when entering the water, my character goes from running to slow walking. This is a problem when trying to stay clear of soldiers or in fights with them, as NPC's have no problem running through the water!

I seem to remember that happening in Win 98 too.
The reason -- well, have you ever tried to run in water in real life?
In other words, it's intentional.

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#291190 - 03/09/08 06:13 AM Re: Outcast - playing on Windows XP [Re: Jenny100]
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Jenny. Not true. This is not my first time playing in Outcast, and yes, you moved slower, but you still 'ran' if that was what you were doing. This isn't just 'walking' this is like your character is walking through molasses in slow motion, much slower than even regular walking. I have also noticed some NPC's sometimes moving in slow motion for 2-3 seconds when near me or near the front of the screen.
And also Jenny, did you not note that I said NPC's were not affected? This is most definitely a problem with running the game on a PC with a later DirectX I believe.

Oh, and I found a post of a 2005 thread about running the game in XP, and I quote:

Hi, i too have problems with this game but on XP, Media Centre edition. However my problems don't seem so harsh.
1) When i walk in the Rice fields, Cutter slows down to a crawl.
2) after mounting the Twon-ha, i can't make it move, only jump and turn.



Edited by UK_John (03/09/08 06:19 AM)
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#291195 - 03/09/08 06:29 AM Re: Outcast - playing on Windows XP [Re: UK_John]
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Have you seen this??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcast_(game)#Playing_Outcast_today
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#291478 - 03/09/08 07:43 PM Re: Outcast - playing on Windows XP [Re: Robert]
Pokey Offline
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The Twon-ha won't move if you have a processor faster than 800 mhz. I used a slowdown program and it worked fine. It should solve the problem with the rice field too. Now that I think about it, I remember that he moved much better with the slowdown. I think I used Cpukiller but Turbo seems to work as well. I think the game does set its own resolution.

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#291667 - 03/10/08 08:18 AM Re: Outcast - playing on Windows XP [Re: Pokey]
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Tried CPU Killer and Turbo and Windows Throttle, from 10% to 80% with no change in rice field problem, I have also made sure only one cpu is working in my dual core PC and I have turned down graphics and sound acceleration, all to no joy. My problem with the Twon-Ha's is not getting the 'ride' icon when I am standing where I should be to mount the animal, I haven't even got to the point of seeing if it will move once I am on it! smile

It's a shame about this rice field problem, as it really affects combat and following NPC's around (they have no 'molasses' problem!) and given it's the first world you enter it makes the game a drag and may mean I give up before getting further into the game!

I just want to say thanks for the ideas though, and never think I am not appreciative of the help! There are not many 'live' Outcast forums on the web any more, so I am very grateful for this one and you guys! smile
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#291765 - 03/10/08 11:20 AM Re: Outcast - playing on Windows XP [Re: UK_John]
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What is the speed of your processor? I was using a 1 gig machine at the time and had to lower it 75% to make it work. Can you go any lower than 80%? Maybe the CPU Grabber would work better. The Wikipedia article indicates it works at 55% with an Athlon 3000+ computer.

As I remember, I was able to mount the Twon-ha even before lowering the speed. He just wouldn't move forward. Are you sure you have the right Twon-ha?

More info:


Quote:

#1 CPU Grabber
CPU Grabber gave me smother performance on my Dual Core Athlon X2.
If you have a dual core you will need to set the Affinity of both Game and Grabber to use only One of your CPUs.





http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=430823&whichpage=2&#2867803

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#291797 - 03/10/08 12:36 PM Re: Outcast - playing on Windows XP [Re: Pokey]
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Thank Pokey for the info! First it needs to be said that CPU grabber is now shareware and will only run for 20 minutes at a time unregistered.

Now the good news....! I have solved my problems of the treacle rice fields and not being able to mount my Twan Ha!!! I found a program designed to save battery life on laptops called SpeedswitchXP. My dual 2.8ghz CPU's get turned into two 1ghz CPU's by using the 'Maximum Battery' option within the program. I then switch off one of the CPU's and am left with one 1ghz CPU. This slows my PC enough to let me run through the rice fields and mount my Twan Ha. It is true that occasionally the Twan Ha will stop and not move and I have to de-mount and leave it. Sometime I can get it started again by making it 'jump'. In any event this is 1000% better than it was!

The above fix does not seem to make any difference to the CD music error appearing though. But if I re-boot my PC, and after running SpeedswitchXP, etc, I can get the music and sound working that first time. It will work as long as I play the game, but if I quit the game and then restart it, I will get the CD Music error popup again!

In any event, if anyone has Twan Ha or Rice field or other probs, I can now recommend SpeedswitchXP! Just install it, run it, and from the taskbar icon choose 'maximum battery' and away you go!

Should also note that SpeedswitchXP is the only 'slowdown' program that has my AMD CPU Info application actually showing them running at 1000mhz, Other slowdown programs are obviously slowing the PC, but when I call up the AMD ID app, they always still showed the CPU's running at 2800mhz. I think this is why the other slowdown programs I used did not work.
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