Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Hi, Jenny!
I played the "uncensored" version, but I believe the "censored" version eliminates the videos of the murders of Carno's wives (the videos are triggered by clicking on certain items in the game and some of them are quite graphic), as well as the alleged rape scene in Chapter 4. I don't remember any swearing in the "uncensored" version, though.
I wrote a walkthru for the GAMERS forum on Compuserve based on the "uncensored" version, so I never did play the other one.
Susan
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Thanks. I found a picture from the "censored" version Hard to believe, isn't it? They use those little squares the way they do when covering up pictures of naked people. I can't even tell what she's looking at in the picture. For all I know it's a cat licking its hind end. It looks like you'd miss too much with the "censored" version.
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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I played the censored version, cause I have a weak stomach, and still was haunted by the game. You don't miss anything. What is does is blur the gory parts like in the screen Jenny copied over here. But you still see plenty in other parts to scare you. There are several possible endings, and I won't give them away here. Jean
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Hi, Jenny!
The girl is definitely Adrienne (the main character in the game), but I can't tell either what she's looking at.
BTW, I still have the walkthru I wrote somewhere on my hard drive. I believe the game originally came out in 1995, so do you think anyone would be interested in reading it if I uploaded it?
Susan
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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As far as I know........the entire game will play in the censored mode......just pixelated where the gory parts are......as in the above picture. I played only in the uncensored version; so that's just a guess......but i don't think the censored mode cuts out any parts.
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Liz is right, the whole game will play in censored mode. I do remember seeing the murder of his wives, with the graphic stuff blurred out. It's been a few years since I played, but I think I remember the scene with Adrienne's run through the passage. A good game, but scary, scary, scary!! Jean
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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There are several possible endings, and I won't give them away here. there are?! I played this game years ago, and I was very disappointed with the ending. At the time I looked on the internet and couldn't find any info about how to get other endings. (I was new to the internet though... I may have missed something.) -emily
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Hi fov: I know of 2 endings for sure. I had a different ending than a fellow at work did because of different ways we had the lead character act. I teased him that it goes to show men and women sure do think differently. Jean
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Jean.......are you thinking of Phantas 1 or 2??......I'm pretty sure there is really only one ending for Phantas 1......though there are different ways to get there. Phantas 2 (i believe) has 2 different endings.
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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When I played P1, I got caught so fast I didn't find the dead bodies.
I liked P2 better. And played both endings.
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Hi Liz:
Phantes 1 has two different endings, unless the guy at work who played it wasn't telling the truth! I played Adrienne as a strong character, and he played her as weak, so the endings were different. If I see him around at work I'll ask, but it's been several years so he may not remember exactly what happened.
It's possible that the very end scene is the same, however, not all characters have the same fate in the two different ways to play.
Jean
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Hi, Jenny!
Yup, that's my walkthru alright. For some strange reason, "and is not to be distributed or reproduced without the express written consent of the author" is missing from the copyright blurb <eg>. I've never heard of that website, so I doubt if I gave them my permission to post it.
Susan
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Originally posted by GuybrushThreepwood: When I played P1, I got caught so fast I didn't find the dead bodies.
I liked P2 better. And played both endings. Do you think P1 was more difficult?
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Originally posted by Susie07: Hi, Jenny!
Yup, that's my walkthru alright. For some strange reason, "and is not to be distributed or reproduced without the express written consent of the author" is missing from the copyright blurb. I've never heard of that website, so I doubt if I gave them my permission to post it.
Susan And who knows where they got it from. Maybe from some other site that was missing the "and is not to be distributed or reproduced without the express written consent of the author." At least they put your name on it and gave you credit for it.
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Emily, the answer to that question can be found on the last paragraph (before the 5 stars) at the bottom of this page http://www.sierraplanet.com/phantas1/reviews.htmlI don't want to post it here because it might spoil the game for someone.
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Yes I think P1 is harder than P2.
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Jenny........that's pretty much what's happening........it's pretty gruesome; but still a great game. One of my all-time favs!!
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Hi, Jenny!
I enjoyed "Phantasmagoria" because it was scary, but I felt a lot of the gory scenes were unnecessary and only there for shock value. They really didn't add anything to the game, IMHO.
Did the murder scene you referred to take place in the greenhouse? If so, I think it was dirt that Carno was shoving in her mouth.
Susan
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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I probably love this game cuz I'm a big horror fan......and this was the first CD-Rom game I ever played and I love FMV and I just thought it was the coolest thing i'd ever seen. I couldn't believe that they could make games like that that were so fun and crazy and I felt like I was right there with Adrienne all the way and i loved it. It was so much cooler graphically than the King's Quest/Space Quest games and I love all those........(pant pant pant) Better stop before I can't.....i'm just getting started!!
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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I checked out a few old posts from 1995-1996 about Phantasmagoria at Googlegroups last night. People had all sorts of opinions about it. There were some complaints that reminded me of complaints I've heard about Syberia - that it was too easy, that it was made "for the masses" and had no puzzles, or too-easy puzzles. Some people objected to it's single cursor, preferring an interface more like GK1, where you choose which action you want your cursor to perform instead of having it decide automatically. People would frequently compare it to Under a Killing Moon, which had come out the previous year and which also used FMV, though not to the same degree as Phantasmagoria. It's interesting that Ken Williams used to post on the newsgroups back then.
It's strange to think that Roberta Williams was working on Phantasmagoria at the same time she was working on KQ7 because KQ7 is such a different game.
Emily, if you're interested in playing it again, I can pass it on to you after I'm done with it. A very kind GBer gave it to me for free.
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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I never played P2. Phantasmagoria was an obvious attempt by Sierra, and Roberta, to take their games beyond the King's Quest genre. The attempt was finally realized in the GK series.
There was some gore and violence in P. But from past correspondence, complaints came, not from the fact that it was there, but from the fact that it was gratuitous. Did killing the cat, in any way contribute to the plot. Of course not.
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Jenny, that's such a nice offer! Check your email. emily ps Ken has said many times on Sierragamers that Phantasmagoria is one of his favorite Sierra games. It's interesting to hear his take on it. It was obviously a huge risk for Sierra to take.
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Originally posted by fov: Ken has said many times on Sierragamers that Phantasmagoria is one of his favorite Sierra games. How could he say otherwise, considering? Tim
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Hey, Tim!
Nice to see you here :-)! I agree completely about poor Spaz, the cat. We already knew that Don was wacko and possessed, so it wasn't necessary to kill the cat to prove it. As much as I enjoyed the game, along with the eerie atomosphere of the mansion, I felt that the murders of Carno's wives were way over the top.
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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But it does, forever, tell us how to enter a room with a newspaper, a key and a toothpick or an equivalent tool.
You did tell Diane that we could be found lurking in these environs. Perhaps she will appear soon.
Tim
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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Hi, Tim!
I told Diane about GAMEBOOMERS a couple of weeks ago, and she said that she joined. She finished "The Black Mirror" and is on the hunt for "Jack The Ripper". Wendy ordered his online and expects it early next week. I tried to wait for them, but I picked my copy up last Monday and my lack of willpower got the better of me <G>! At least I'll be able to help them if they get stuck.
Do you remember the first game you played that used the old "newspaper/toothpick-in-the-keyhole" trick <G>? I thought it was "Phantasmagoria", but there may have been one before that. I've played a few since.
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Re: Phantasmagoria 1 - Gore/No-gore/Low-gore
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My recollection is that Phas was the first. But I vaguely recall a similar incident in Aman-Ra.
Hard to tell.
Tim
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