Patch Your Windows Computer
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I've been reading about a patch recently issued for XP. So, why are they patching an unsupported operating system which shouldn't even be on line any more? I started digging and found at least 3 articles concerning a new worm/virus/malware called BlueBug. Supposedly currently supported operating systems such as Window 8 and Windows 10 are not vulnerable, but this one is so malicious Microsoft has released patches all the way back to XP. It appears to mostly be aimed at computers on a network, but they are strongly encouraging everyone to patch their computers. Hopefully no one here still has an XP computer on-line, but if you do, make sure you patch it. This article probably explained it best. https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/31/microsoft-bluekeep-worm-exploits/
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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Make sure your Windows 7 computer is patched too!
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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Same here... Patch Tuesday is when they start releasing, but I seldom get mine until a day or two later.
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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I don't see where you get this 'Patch' from. The articles don't seem to mention this. Also I have never heard of 'Patch Tuesday'...what is that?
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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I don't see where you get this 'Patch' from. The articles don't seem to mention this. Also I have never heard of 'Patch Tuesday'...what is that? Microsoft releases patches on the 2nd (sometimes the 4th) Tuesday of the month, so it's called "patch Tuesday." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patch_tuesdayTo avoid everyone hitting their servers at once, Microsoft staggers pushing out the patches via Windows update, so some people don't get the patch via Windows update until a few days later. If you want a patch NOW and not later, you have to Google for it. Instead of calling it "the Bluekeep patch," which people might recognize, Microsoft labels the patch with an inscrutable alphanumeric sequence that resembles every other inscrutable alphanumeric sequence they've come up with. The alphanumeric sequence for BlueKeep is CVE-2019-0708 according to the techcrunch article (and other articles about BlueKeep) and you can find download links for the patch here https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4500705/customer-guidance-for-cve-2019-0708If people don't trust Microsoft's patches and avoid installing them, it's their own &*#$%! fault after the $&*#$%! they pulled when they forced Windows 10 onto peoples' computers without their knowledge or consent, and again when they forced telemetry onto peoples' computers (which causes noticeable slowdowns on some computers with CPU usage going to 100%, making people wonder exactly how much information it's collecting and sending out over the Internet to parts unknown).
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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Hi Jenny
Thanks for the info but forgive me as I still don't no where to get this Patch from. Maybe I am just getting old but I don't see it. I hven't heard of Microsoft Patches, BlueKeep, Patch Tuesday. Is this something that Windows 8 and Windows 10 users are more familiar with and not us lonely Windows 7 users?
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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Thanks for the info but forgive me as I still don't no where to get this Patch from. Did you go to the link I gave for https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4500705/customer-guidance-for-cve-2019-0708Go to the link above, Click the link for Windows XP SP3 x86 and it takes you here https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4500331Click the box that says Download to the right of where it says Security Update for Windows XP SP3 (KB4500331) In the box that pops up, click the link under where it says English. On my computer it's listed as windowsxp-kb4500331-x86-custom-enu_d7206aca53552fececf72a3dee93eb2da0421188.exeIf this last link doesn't work for you (and it may very well only work on my computer because of the tricks websites use these days because they want you to click several links instead of only one), then you'll have to go through the process I listed above. I haven't heard of Microsoft Patches, BlueKeep, Patch Tuesday. Is this something that Windows 8 and Windows 10 users are more familiar with and not us lonely Windows 7 users? Patch Tuesday has been a "formalized" name since 2003 according to the wikipedia article. You've been able to download patches from Microsoft using a web browser (instead of Windows Update) even back in the days of dialup in the 1990's.
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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Okay, so none of this has to do with Windows 7 which is what I have.
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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If people don't trust Microsoft's patches and avoid installing them, it's their own &*#$%! fault after the $&*#$%! they pulled when they forced Windows 10 onto peoples' computers without their knowledge or consent, and again when they forced telemetry onto peoples' computers (which causes noticeable slowdowns on some computers with CPU usage going to 100%, making people wonder exactly how much information it's collecting and sending out over the Internet to parts unknown). Sing it, sistah! Couldn't agree more. But, I still keep all of my computers updated. GreyFuss, it probably DOES affect Windows 7. What they are saying is that only Windows 8 and 10 are probably OK. If you keep your computer updated, then you probably already have it.
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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Okay, so none of this has to do with Windows 7 which is what I have. OK. For some reason I thought you were trying to patch XP. The first post in this thread is about patching XP. For Windows 7 I found this page in a technet article https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/CVE-2019-0708and it didn't have a separate download for the patch. Instead you have a choice of the "monthly rollup" which includes all sorts of junk, and the "security only" download which will include the BlueKeep patch (and maybe other security patches). The link for Security Only will take you to this page https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4499175I assume you want the Download for 2019-05 Security Only Quality Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4499175) which is the 3rd one listed. (There is also a link for Windows 7 x86, which is 32-bit Windows 7, but not many people use that.)
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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Oh, so there isn't a separate Patch it is part of Windows Update. So how would I know if it was in installed on Windows 7 if it was an Update for Win XP? When I run Windows Update now it shows nothing available so do I just guess or assume that it was installed?
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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Oh, so there isn't a separate Patch it is part of Windows Update. So how would I know if it was in installed on Windows 7 if it was an Update for Win XP? When I run Windows Update now it shows nothing available so do I just guess or assume that it was installed? It may have automatically installed. I think you can check which KB numbers have been installed through Control Panel\Programs or through Windows update (display installed updates). This one is KB4499175
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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I apologize that I wasn't very clear in my initial post! Because this malware is so potentially malicious it has been pushed out to all computers. But because XP is no longer supported, people may have to manually install it if they still have their XP computers on-line. In Windows 7, you can also choose which updates to install, so if you don't automatically update your Windows 7, you may have to manually install.
The link I included explains it a lot better than I did.
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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Oh...its probably just me Tomato Lady. I get more confused by reading Links so thats why I like it here to hear a more easily understandable version from the two of you.
Sorry Jenny I only mention Win 7 because it was mentioned earlier.
I do keep up with the Windows update for Win 7 but searching the installed files for KB4499175 or BlueKeep turns up nothing. Might it be called something else for Win 7 than XP?
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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I do keep up with the Windows update for Win 7 but searching the installed files for KB4499175 or BlueKeep turns up nothing. Might it be called something else for Win 7 than XP? KB4499175 is the KB number for Windows 7. If you see other updates listed as installed updates, but not KB4499175, you should probably go get it at https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4499175I'm not sure if ***this direct link*** will work. You need to run it after downloading. This is for 64-bit Windows patch. If you have 32-bit Windows 7 you'd need a different download.
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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Yikes...using the Catalog Link I assume I need o Download for Win 7 64 as that is what I have. When I click the Download Link two downloads turn up... Download Download Updates 2019-05 Security Only Quality Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4499175) pciclearstalecache_d243a607b50db10ed50f03cff570498018c61a59.exe windows6.1-kb4499175-x64_3704acfff45ddf163d8049683d5a3b75e49b58cb.msu The first one says 'Clear stale, cache' which is scary and the second one says 'Windows 6.1' Just to make sure I don't screw things up am I supposed to download both ? I do appreciate you guys dumbing this down for me especially since I only have six more months of use on this Windows 7 before I am forced to get Win 10
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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The problem is that on the Windows update support page (whatever it's called), it shows KB4499175 but that never installed as far as I can tell. My security update from May is KB4495588 which lists some CVE things but NOT this patch.
It is definitely not just you Greyfuss who gets confused looking at all that stuff. I am just going to wait and hope it installs itself or that nothing bad happens.
Wait, sorry. When I click on "view installed updated" and "view update history" in my computer, I get 2 different lists. Neither shows KB4499175. I get KB4495588 in one place andKB4499164 and KB4499406 in another place, none of which show this patch number.
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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The first one says 'Clear stale, cache' which is scary and the second one says 'Windows 6.1' Just to make sure I don't screw things up am I supposed to download both ? I think either one would work and you don't need both. Do you have a preference of an msu file or an exe file? If not, flip a coin. EDIT: See my next post and check the Ask Woody link in that post. Nothing wrong with clearing cache. It has the advantage of getting rid of any malware that might have gotten into your cache. If you need something in the cache, Windows will replace it as necessary. I agree with both of you that Microsoft does a very poor job describing what their KB numbers patch and what their patches do. I'm relying on other sites that describe which patch covers the BlueKeep vulnerability (Microsoft doesn't mention the word "BlueKeep" as far as I've seen). Everything I've seen says that Microsoft is using "CVE-2019-0708" for "BlueKeep." It wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft messed up the installation of KB4499175 on Windows 7 so it either doesn't install or doesn't list itself as installed. After all, they don't want people using Windows 7, or even Windows 8 anymore. They want everyone using Windows 10, and if it doesn't run well on your computer, Microsoft expects you to buy a new computer. Make sure you reboot after installing it though, then check your list of installed updates again.
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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" If you keep your computer updated, then you probably already have it."
I installed all security updates for May and all previous months. Checking update history, KB4499175 does not appear.
I checked with Belarc Advisor and found that it had not been installed. If this update was so important, you think it would have been installed. I have Win 7 64 bit. It seems if you have automatic update, then it would have been installed
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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This seems to be a very weird patch, with a weird way to install it and a weird way to check for it. Here's what someone at Ask Woody posted: To verify the patching process actually completed successfully, after restarting the computer when the update completes the “pci.sys” file located in the Windows\System32\Drivers folder will change.
Before the update is ran the file version is 6.1.7601.24056 with a date stamp of 2/10/2018. After a successful installation the file version will be 6.1.7601.24441 with a date stamp of 4/18/2019. There are also suggestions on how to install the patch for Windows 7, which are different from what I posted before. It looks like you need both patch files in the same folder, but you only run one of them. You don't run the "cache" file directly, but it needs to be there for the other file to run successfully. Here is the link to the very long thread at Ask Woody: https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/may-2019-patch-tuesday-arrives/What a convoluted mess.
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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Sort of same song, different day with Microsoft.
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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Yikes! I have an old Sony Computer with Windows XP that I use to just get emails thru Outlook. I receive and send emails from it but I don't go on the web because of outdated browser. The last couple of days when I try to go into outlook to receive mail it just buffers and I have to end task to get out. Do you think if I get the patch it will work again or is it just to old and out dated?
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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I think it's just too old. You also may have a version of Office that is no longer supported. End of Support for Office 2007 and previous versions was a couple of years ago. You can try this patch, but it probably won't help.
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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The last couple of days when I try to go into outlook to receive mail it just buffers and I have to end task to get out. Do you think if I get the patch it will work again or is it just to old and out dated? That's not what the patch is for. I don't know if there's an Outlook patch that would allow it to connect, but if Microsoft stopped supporting your version of Outlook, then created a security patch that interfered with Outlook, it may not work any more. Are you sure it's not the email server that's at fault? Did you check to see if your email service is having any outages or down time?
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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I can't even get into Outlook to work off line. Most definitely Microsoft does not support my version of Outlook. It could be the email server but I don't know how to check for it.
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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I'd say it's time to switch to a different supported email program on a supported computer. There are tons of options and I use several of them. You may be able to export your contacts from the old Outlook and import into a new program.
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Re: Patch Your Windows Computer
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Depending on your version of Outlook, you would go find Export and create a .csv file (comma separated file). In your new email program, you would find Import and then select that .csv file. I found this just in case you have Office 2003.
In Outlook, on the File menu, click Import And Export. In Choose an action to perform, click Export to a file, and click Next. In Create a file of type, click to select a format for the file you want to export - Comma Separated Values (Windows) - and click Next. In Select folder to export from, click the folder you want to export (the Contacts folder), and click Next. In Save exported file as, type the path and file name for the file you want to export (note this location so that you can find later), and click Next. Confirm the action and then click Finish.
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