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Enderal on Steam #1198235
10/02/19 10:19 PM
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I just noticed that Enderal is on Steam for free. I was wanting to play the game since I loved Nehrim. I think it will be easier to install using Steam, just download and play if you have Skyrim in your Steam library.

Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198243
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Thanks very much for letting us know about this, Pokey! Much appreciated. wave

Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198494
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Ok, so I've managed to get myself up to a respectable and somewhat less squishy level 28 with most of my Combat skills in Marksmanship, Psionics and Sneak, with detours into Elementalism as needed for the occasional Fire Bolt. I've done quite a few side quests but have been putting off the main quest line until I'm at a higher level. Light Armour all the way, with some decent set items starting to show up.

I did just finish the Aged Man quest but will leave the rest of the main quest for now. I'm off adventuring.

I have to say, Enderal is not as forgiving as Skyrim. I spend a lot of my time sneaking up onto high places so I can cast a summons and fly off a few fire arrows.


No fancy-pantsy Elven dagger-twirlers. Just tough guys.
Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198498
10/06/19 01:17 AM
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I played for a while today and got through the tunnels and temple. I had to run from the creature in the last tunnel because I couldn't defeat him, not even close. Are you having a problem with areas being too dark to see? The brightness slider doesn't work and I have no torches. The Hero page is too large for my screen and no way to change resolution, so I can't see all of it.

Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198619
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I have noticed that some places are quite dark . There aren't too many places like that early in the game and soon you'll find torches.

I ran from that critter too. And what's worse, you can't get back there to take your revenge. mad

I actually ran from a lot of things early on. And I think I might have just wandered into an area that's a teeny bit too difficult for me. Still running...... eek

The most important thing I found is to somehow get up high and take shots from above. Take a couple of shots and then make like Sir Robin and hope you can get to a spot where you can hide.


EIDT: Pokey is the Settings menu not working for you? There is a windowed mode and a resolution setting option.

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Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198622
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You know, I checked some videos of Enderal play and noticed that players were continuing to play in the same dark I was experiencing. It is a bit better at night (like Thief). I just left the game playing till it goes brighter when playing certain sections. I did play a bit in the dark if it was pretty open. There needs to be more resting spots. I've only seen one in all my play.

I think the only page that I couldn't read part of it was the Hero chart. I looked it up so I knew what the different lines were, I think it will be fine. I can't access the full window or change the brightness unless I turn off one tweak and enboost, and doing that causes more crashes. I'm not ready to try that. I am heading toward a town and met Finn. I sneaked by those three wolves at the river.

Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198689
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There is an almost easy way to kill that beast, at the ends of the ruins. Don't know if I should tell you, as I dont know how to insert "almost' spoilers"!

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Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198708
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I tried many ways to kill that Troll but in the end I gave up.

Was there a
fire trap nearby?


Anyway, it's only one critter and in the end it won't matter. You'll soon be taking on Cave Trolls with your puny bow and arrows and laugh in their faces as they fade away into whatever afterlife Trolls get.

One thing I like about this game is that you can go back into dungeons where the enemies were really tough to kill the first time through (requiring much running away), and in the second time through they're like crackers under your boot; crushed to dust. You still get enough experience points to make it all worthwhile.


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Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: hagatha] #1198712
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This was a mud elemental just after you lift the wheel {watermill?} to leave the abandonned temple. I usually play a warrior {light armor with lots of fire and lightning}. I Used the bow and sword, with lightning in between. We are not talking about the same beast, nothing aroung to help!!! I played the game once as an archer but not easy at all at the beginning. After a while, sneak and archery is a pleasure. Wolves I run away from for a few levels.

Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198714
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It was a mud elemental, right. I just barely sneaked past it.

I'm finally at level 55 in both Sneak and Marksman, and most times I can get the drop on enemies. Some of them seem to be preternaturally sensitive to interlopers, though. I can't imagine trying to sneak up on someone with a blade. They'd know you were there long before you made the first stabbity-stab.


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Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198736
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I am playing as a warrior. How do I learn to cast spells? I want fire, maybe lightning and a healing spell. I just left the old dam lookout on my way to Riverville.

Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198772
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Pokey, I've been finding spell books in random places. You can learn any spell you find, even if you can't cast it yet. Once you get to Riverville you'll be able to buy spells, but I have never actually had to do that, apart from the transportation spells. I've found tons of spell books as random loot in mines, caves, and in people's houses. You just click on the book in your inventory and learn the spell.

Once you've done that, it's just like Skyrim -- you hit the TAB key and your spells and skills come up.

Again as in Skyrim, you can use the F key to denote favourites in your list of spells (and weapons), and then bring up your list of favourites by hitting the Q key, where you can set your quick keys.


Also, and I love this, once you've learned a spell, if you find the same spell book, you can immediately see that you've already learned it, so no buying spells you already have. Same goes for reading books. Once you've read a book or learned a spell, an eye icon appears beside any other copies you run across, even at merchants, so you know not to bother. unless you want to pick it up and sell it.

Last edited by hagatha; 10/07/19 10:37 PM. Reason: accuracy

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Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198774
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" You can learn any spell you find, even if you can't cast it yet. "

How do I actually cast the spell? I assume I need to go to the stones and select the type of magic I want. Is that it?

I just fished to lock box out of the river. Also trying to take out three wolves at once.

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Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198795
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You learn spells from spell books. To cast spells it's easiest to have them set up with hotkeys in your favourites list, but basically you select the spell you want to cast and then hit "R." That brings up the glowing spell-casting hands, and you just use your mouse key to cast the spell.

You don't have to use any Meditation points to use any spell. It's just that it will be a weak version of the spell. In other words, I can cast low level Light spells without having committed any Meditation or Learning points on that skill.

The levelling up is complicated in this game.

The Meditation area is where you commit Memory points that determine what path you want to take. You learn perks and skills on the stones in the meditation area. So for me, as a thief/archer, I'm using the Trickster/Infiltrator path on the meditation stones, with a few levels of Elemental magic and a lot of Psi/Entropy magic.

Basically, the Memory stones determine which skills you wan to develop most. You improve those skills and magic by buying or finding Learning or Crafting books. I've Learned my way up to Expert level in Sneak and Marksman, and I'm at Adept level with most of my other skills ad magic.

Using the Learning and Crafting books also allows you to improve a skill without committing to it on the Meditation stones. So my Light armour skill is at 45 without my having had to use any Memory points on that skill.

Every time you level up you get I Meditation point, and I think 5 Learning points and 4 Crafting points. The Learning books are for combat skills and magic and the Crafting books are for things like Alchemy, Enchanting, Rhetoric (i.e. Personality), and so on.


Last edited by hagatha; 10/08/19 11:22 AM. Reason: Something about the number 45...

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Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: hagatha] #1198808
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I don't know what I am doing wrong but I can't get it to work. Hitting R after selecting the spell does nothing. I did get it to work once by selecting Tempest but I couldn't get it to work again. I wish there were better instructions included.

It seems that it is supposed work by selecting the spell, exiting the magic menu and then casting with the mouse, but it doesn't work for me.

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Is there a key binding you need to change?


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Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198821
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I sometimes use the wrong mouse key; the default is that the left mouse key casts the spell you have in your right hand, and vice versa (which is horribly confusing in the middle of a battle).

Try setting up your spells in the Favourites menu and then set hotkeys for them. Then you don't have to go into any menu -- you just use the hotkey number, hit "R" and cast the spell.


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'Is there a key binding you need to change?'

That might be the case, The R is used to drop an item in the game and others did not say to use R.

I tried both hands. What does the M1/M2 mean in the spell menu? It seems like an assignment.

I'll keep trying.

Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198829
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Yes, you can assign a spell to either mouse key. (you can assign one-handed weapons that way, too).

I'll just quickly run through a spell assignment in my game and make sure I've described it properly.

EDIT:

So, you hit TAB to get your Magic menu up. Then you click on the "Magic" on the left hand side of the menu. To set a hotkey for a spell, select it in the Magic menu, hit "F" then go out of that menu, hit Q for the list of favourites, and assign a number to the spell from 1-9. You also assign whether the spell appears in your right hand or left hand by using the appropriate mouse key.

Once you've done that, go out of the favourites menu, hit the number of the spell, then hit the "R" key and the spell comes up in your hand.

"R" in your main inventory will drop an item.

Last edited by hagatha; 10/08/19 03:55 PM.

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Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198840
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Thanks, I finally have it working and have put spells in the correct hand. It will take a while before I am comfortable with it and can switch my weapons with the spells. Glad that is resolved!

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Oh, good. I have encountered a few bugs in this game but not one like that!

In the end, as always, I'm loaded for bear with spells but stick to my trusty old Sneak/Archery technique. The problem is that in THIS game, that's not necessarily a winning strategy. since you can't just train yourself up to high level really quickly. I've never relied on Summoned critters so much, but even the lower level Elementals are handy for setting enemies on fire and distracting them.

The only trouble with my Elemental Wolf is that, like all good doggies, he runs towards me when I cast him (presumably for a pat on the head, maybe?), instead of at the enemies. hardwall

So far I've only found level 1 Summons spells, but I'm getting the impression that the stuff you find is leveled with your progress.


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Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1198957
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I've just encountered the Starling locks. Not doing too well. The third lock is so hard to find. Any tips other than practice till I get it?

I am using first person.

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I use first person too.

There are five locks, two up and three down, I think, if I remember correctly.

The Starling locks took me more than a few tries and some bad words were spoken. I started at the top left and did the first two, then dropped down and turned for the last ones.

The one thing I didn't do was run, since if I do that I lose all control. I was able to do it by just heading straight for each lock without running. The critical thing was dropping down onto the ledge below for the bottom locks.

So I'm starting to realize the weakness in my playing style, since Archery isn't the drop-dead powerhouse it is in other Elder Scrolls games. I've been using bow and arrow, with Summoned creatures to block at close range. Also, they get in the way in a close fight. And high level Summons spells seem to be in short supply (again, I think the availability levels with the character's skill). Now I need to start using some of my other Elemental and Entropy/Psi spells. A few of them look really wicked. evil




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Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: hagatha] #1198975
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Thanks. I'll try what you advise. I think I can eventually do it if I run through it a few time. I won't be running either.

I've read that archery wasn't easy but at later stages it is rather powerful. That big 2-hander I found in this quest is pretty good.

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I was able to do it in about 10 tries. Jespar messed up a few times in telling me when to start again.

Back to Riverville. I can do a few things in Riverville before I meet Jespar again I assume? I have some wolves I'd like to take care of.

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There are low-level quests available on the notice boards in each town, plus the locals have quests. I spent a lot of time in the area, going back and forth taking my revenge for the punishing defeats I received while I was struggling to get to Riverville.

There is a nice temple you can raid in the middle of the peninsula you passed on the way in.

Jespar hangs around until it's time for him to join you in a quest. You can basically do what you want for as long as you want, and then meet up with him again, at which point the main quest continues.

Companions do have personal quests, and romance is possible, so be nice HINT:
Jespar is a bit of a prima donna who needs you to agree with him all the time, even if you really don't.
It's better to gain "Appreciation" rather the "Likes" but I didn't get any Appreciates from Jespar until just now, farther along in the main quest.


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Re: Enderal on Steam [Re: Pokey] #1199040
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Hagatha, where is the temple you mentioned? I couldn't find it on a map.

I am currently on a quest posted on the bulletin board...Redrick Borecat.

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If you've made it to Riverville, look directly west back the way you came. If you look behind the quest marker for where Jaspar is waiting for you, it's that large peninsula across the river. The temple is called Ald'Sherath, round and has a lake around it. I was able to get through it at a fairly low level, though I had to sneak my way a lot of the time.


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Thanks. Are the items you take from the temple marked as stolen? What do you do with stolen items since you can't sell them?

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I don't remember if the goods are marked stolen to be honest.

Another spot to gain points and stuff is the pirate cave on the island you can swim to at the river mouth. There are quite a few banditos in there, but if you can take them out one at a time there's some stuff for the taking. That cave is also included in a quest from Riverville, too.

There are some merchants who will take stolen goods. I think I found a couple in Ark a bit later on. In the meantime, store them in your secure chest.

Also, the Infiltrator memory branch will give you the ability to sell stolen goods to all merchants if you feel like investing in a few useful sneaking points and perks.

Money seems really tight at the start of the game, but once I hit around level 10 I usually had enough money to buy the Crafting and Learning books I wanted. I found that most of the really good stuff was in dungeons and on bosses, including really good armour sets. Other than the books and spells l and optional houses in Ark, there wasn't a lot to spend on.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that you have a secure chest in all of the towns (it's the gold glowy chest) and in Ark you have a chest in every different part of the city. Also, once you start to travel using the Myrad towers, you'll find a chest outside each tower. You can always access all of your inventory that way, and so far I haven't hit a limit on how much you can store. It's a pretty good system. The chest is also in the houses you buy. I just throw everything in there except for what I need and then do all my crafting and alchemy back at my house.

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I have done all the available quests in Riverville and explored all the area around, so I guess I am ready to move on to Ark with Jespar. I did find Aetera bow, nice shield and a good greatsword way up north. I really needed to replace my puny bow.

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The Aeterna bow is very good, especially if you upgrade it. And I find that decent arrows are common, either on Undead or even just quivers of them lying around.

I'm now at almost 100 in Sneak and Marksman, and decided to go with Handicraft instead of my usual Alchemy/Enchanting. In this game I find that potions really aren't all that important since food is the best way to heal. I have a few potions with me at all times. but for the most part being a sneak-thief means nobody sees me in time to do much damage. I 'll get myself up to 50 in Enchanting to see if it's worth it other than to recharge my items. At higher levels, the Handicrafting blueprints become very powerful. I have my eye on a bow, but I need some Massive crafting items (I'm thinking Troll or wild Myrad). So far I've managed to upgrade my equipment to Exquisite, but I'm waiting until my Handicraft is 100 ore more before I use any more of my scarce crafting metals like Glowing Thorium.

Once you get to Ark the game really starts to open up. Make sure you buy lots of the transportation scrolls and of course Mark and Recall as soon as you can find them.

Rhetorics is useful for extra conversation options, but one of the Memories (it might even be in the Infiltrator tree) gives you automatic access to Rhetorics conversation options., which I only realized after I'd spent a lot of Crafting points. Too bad there's no way to respec Skills.

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Thanks for the tips, especially the rhetorics one. I've been in Ark for a short while, just enough to know my way around, at least most of the time. I've done some quests, bought a house and acquired a donkey. That brother and sister quarrel quest was really involved and I kept getting lost in the undercity. The enemies in this area are quite a bit more difficult. Since I have a donkey, I can ride around and see what turns up in either combat or loot.

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I bought the very useful little shack in the Market, and much later the house in the Noble district. The Noble House is a total waste of money, since the furniture crafting system is pretty much broken and the house is virtually empty. There's no furniture package for it like there is for the Market Shack. I always loved buying the houses in Oblivion; I always bought all of them and fully furnished them just because I could. The Enderal houses are a bit disappointing.

I still haven't figured out the Undercity. There is a merchant in the Market part of the Undercity that buys stolen goods, and I think another one in Duneville, which is perfectly easy and safe to get to via Myrad.

I haven't found any new locations for a while so I think I'll get back to the Main Quest.

I got my Aeterna bow up to 97 damage with 100 in Handicraft plus the Smith ring and a Starling (a.k.a. Dwemer) Smithing helmet I found somewhere, which brought my Handicraft way up over 100.


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Yes, I like the house in the market area. Just a bed, chair, chest and fire and I'm happy. Doubt I'll make any improvements. I don't like the Undercity. I got so lost on the first quest that went there. I think I can find the fence again but it will be nice to have another option in Duneville.

I thought my aeterna flame bow lost its flame and didn't seem to be doing any damage from any distance. It didn't touch the bandits that destroyed the shipment for the merchant. I tried for at least 20 times before I got them. Used a replenishing food, armor spell and summoned ancestor and my silver steel battleaxe and finally got them. They were very tough. They died and I'm not sure they were supposed to do so.

I did later kill a bear with the bow from close distance and the flame was working. Still only 24 damage. Does the damage number include the fire damage?

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You have to recharge the bows if they have a magical damage. As in Skyrim, you need filled soul gems. If you have filled soul gems in your inventory, select your bow in inventory and hit "P" and that should bring up a list of soul gems to use,.

As I understand things, your skill in Elemental damage determines the number of charges on your bow if it has elemental damage, and Psionics if it has Psi damage, and so on. But that's not really relevant if you have a ton of soul gems, and you'll find filled gems everywhere. I've never trapped a soul in this game.

There is a Memory that allows you to sell stolen goods to all merchants. I'm pretty sure it's in the Infiltrator tree.


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The bow was showing 90% charged at the time it appeared to lose the flame and not do any damage. This was from a distance and maybe that was a factor, that is, my ability with the bow wasn't high enough. I'll try from different distances and see what happens. I did try enchanting it, even though it was at 90% and that made no difference. I tried posting on steam to see if anyone knew what was happening, but my post was moved somewhere else and I no longer see it.

Is there only one trader that sells spells in Ark, the one near your house?

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Once you get to the Sun Temple you'll have access to a much wider selection of spells.

I think the vendor immediately outside your Market house sells spells in addition to the woman in the central market area. I seem to remember a magic vendor in the Noble part of town, too.

Also, there's a spell vendor in Duneville, in the pub; he sells Psi and Entropy spells and I do like having relatively high-level summonses during combat since I'm an weakling archer. And of course there's the magic vendor in Riverville, though her spells are pretty low-level.

I've bought very few spells in this game. I found most of them lying around everywhere. I learn them all regardless of whether I have any real skill because they're free.


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Thanks, I found the woman who sells spells and talks in rhymes. The shop is near the secure chest. She had a long list of spells including the lightning spells I've been looking for. Next quest is kill Pak Pak.

Edit....Well, that was interesting. I decided I was in above my level. I did get into the cave but was getting killed by several marauders. I kept trying and was battling the first one and backed out of the cave. He did too and surprisingly, so did Pak Pak. I managed to kill the single guy and then Pak Pak was easy and I got credit for the quest without moving past the entrance to the cave. Not sure I want to go back in and look for loot.

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It's easy to get mobbed in tight places. I've learned that a well-placed Summons will distract most enemies, allowing for a hasty retreat. I've even taken out the odd high-level mob by hiding behind something and casting a Fire Elemental around the corner. I don't actually see what's happening, but after maybe 30 or so mana potions and a lot of shouting and commotion I've whittled down the herd enough to emerge. It's a marvelously cowardly strategy, very effective.

And of course, there's my favourite strategy of all; Invisibility potions and a hasty retreat.

In my wanderings I found the last area of the map. It's very tough and I think It's time to get back to the main quest again.

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I've used summons, usually the ancestor, but they are pretty weak at my level (14). I went back into the cave and was able to handle the marauders since they had moved to another section. I got some good loot.

Do you know where I can buy medium backpack or a silver ingot? I've looked all over. I have everything to craft one except the ingot. Maybe a place to mine silver ore and smelt to an ingot. I don't know if I need a skill for that.

I do have an invisibility potion. I'm waiting for a good place to use it.

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A lot of the merchants sell ore in the crafting section of their inventories, which is the icon at the very far right. Maybe try the Blacksmith in Ark's Market? Or maybe the blacksmith in Dunesville? I have a mega-pack now that gives me an extra 75 pounds! In real life it would be a U-Haul trailing along behind me.

Having a high crafting level in this game is worth it, I think, more than Enchant or Alchemy. At the highest levels you can craft unique armour sets. And even at low levels you can craft stuff to sell. I'm looking for Crafting diagrams for pieces of one Light Armour set now.

Most potions are really plentiful, but Invisibility potions are a bit more difficult to find. By accident I found an alchemy formula early on that gives me both Ambrosia and Invisibility that lasts just long enough to sneak past someone to find a better place from which to attack.

It's getting more difficult to gain levels now. I think I'm at 45 or 46, maybe? And I still have to find higher ground to avoid mobs, even with my 100 points in Marksman, my Flawless bow and whatever bonus my armour gives me. I usually look for a rock high up so I can back away from the edge far enough that I can't be targeted.


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I found the silver ore and smelted it to an ingot. I have all the materials needed, skill of 25 handicraft and blueprint. What am I doing wrong? At the tanning rack I only see leather strips as an option.

Edit....I have found that others have the same problem. I believe that the medium backpack is bugged and never been fixed. Did you ever try to craft one? Since the blueprint is in my inventory, it should be showing as an option.

Did you get the blueprint collection book at the bank? It is handy to keep all your blueprints in. Also, I discovered that the bank has a bunch of crafting and learning books.

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I think I bought medium pack, or even found one. But I think you have to craft the backpack like clothing, at the worktable.

I'm limping along, with more and more bugs and other issues. Yesterday I had a horrible bug with a quest repeatedly launching me into that weird inner space that resides under the surface of every sandbox game.

Right now the game refuses to launch. I've done all the usual minor stuff like verifying the files and running as admin, so I'm looking for a solution.





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You have a much bigger problem that I do. If you haven't already done so, post on Steam. They have been very responsive to my problem. Are you using the Enderal icon on destop? You might try the launcher in the game files.

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I can see if I can find the other launcher. The game doesn't launch on my second laptop either, so it isn't my computer.

I've actually spent a little part of this afternoon showing my sick partner how to download a game on Steam. He's a complete noob, having not played a game since we were in our Zork phase many years ago, back in the Dark Ages when an interactive DOS game was a big deal ("Sailor, Hello").

Since he would hate being thrown into an action game like Half Life 2, or a complicated RPG like Baldur's Gate, I thought Oblivion would be a good place to start. It's an easy game, there's a tutorial at the start, and it isn't too taxing, especially once I show him the Archery/Sneak one-two.


EDIT: For the life of me I cannot locate my game files In Win 10. So launching it from the folder is out. I have looked anywhere that sounds even remotely useful, but in the Games folder, all I can see is the game icons. No files.

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It should be in program files (86), Steam,Steam apps, common, Enderal. You usually look for an exe file to start the game (Enderal.exe) but I don't see one. There is a game launcher you could try.

There is a TESV.exe . Not sure what that is.

Have you tried making yourself administrator?

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I have to run as admin. Lately Steam won't work at all if I don't.

I'll see if I can locate that file.

I actually installed Enderal on my other laptop to see if it had anything to do with the computer, but still no luck.

Of course, I had to see if any other Steam games worked properly just in case the problem was Steam itself, and ended up giving my partner a lengthy demonstration of the awesomeness that is Half Life 2. Just reached the first Head Lice bombs.

Anyway, I've reached level 57 in Enderal, so my character doesn't have too much left to do, methinks.


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Thanks! I was able to locate the Enderal Launcher in the Steamapps common folder and the game is working. Yay!


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Good to hear. Play on!

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Thank you for your help, Pokey! smile

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And now the game launches normally. Some code must have gone astray and now is back where it belongs.

I've got my guy set up with Oblivion. I wonder how he'll manage. I'm not allowed to help, though I am going to interject once, which is to mention that if you Sneak all the time, you become almost invisible very quickly. Very helpful to the neophyte.


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Interesting. Sometimes problems just fix themselves. I think I'll check out Dunesville and see if I can find some good stuff there.

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Dunesville has some good merchants. I think it's the only place to buy Entropy spells.


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I bought quite a few learning books at Duneville but I couldn't locate the shrouded mage. I probably couldn't make use of the spells at this level anyway. I headed up north a way but decided it was above my level.

Duneville is very hard to find. I even entered the crypt in hopes of that might be an entrance. Finally did find it after several tries. I don't care much for the desert and am back in Ark and may try some thieving as well as a few quests. I need some money after buying the books.

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Even at low levels you can craft iron and steel weapons to sell. As in Skyrim, Blacksmith homes are full of crafting materials for the light-fingered.

The Desert is tough. My first time through it I climbed as high up the sides of the canyons as I could and sneaked my way through. This game is less forgiving than Skyrim, I think, but at high levels I'm not having much trouble unless something spots me before I spot them.

You can use spells to get to the main areas of the game without discovering them first. The magic vendors sell them. Otherwise you can use the Myrad Towers. Again, you don't have to find a specific Myrad tower before you can travel to it. I used them to go to tough places and then sort of chipped away at the edges until I found myself in a spot that was just too difficult.


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It looks like most of the Wanted in Ark quests are at a higher level than my 14. I did the Captain Plumb quest and had to swim and sneak nearly all the way, avoiding strong mages, leopard, panther and large bears as well as gangs of pirates. I was lucky to kill Plumb when I got him in a tight place high up and his guardian stuck behind him. Then I ran and teleported back to Ark.

I am confused that even though I have several skills at 25, when I try to use an adept learning book, I get the message that It is too advanced, but I can use it. Also it looks as though I can use spells form higher levels (II and III). I thought I could only use level 1 spells. It would be nice to get stronger summons. I haven't raised my level in quite a while. Maybe I should see what I can find close to Ark.

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The learning books have levels, so up to level 25 is Apprentice, I think, and then Adept, which is up to 50, then Expert up to 75, then Master, up to 100.

You can use the more advanced books but they're much, much more expensive so it's best to buy or use books at your appropriate level of expertise just from a purely monetary point of view.

I've never found a Summons spell higher than level 3, but yes, I just memorized any spell I found and just played around to see which ones were helpful and which ones required too much Mana. Spell books are literally everywhere so there's no need to sell something that might come in handy, even if you aren't focusing on that magic school.


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Quite an adventure today. Started at the Myrad tower in Duneville and swam west till I saw a large waterfall. Made my way up the mountainous area with some very tough enemies, though I just ran past some of them. When I got to the house I was looking for, two dinosaur-like creatures were guarding the door. It took a lot of fire arrows and fireballs to bring them down but I had a good high position. In the area I found a Skarragg cuirass, Aeterna cuirass and a staff of Oorbaya that I had been wanting and a great mace. Also some goodies in a chest. A lot of effort but good day! I have reached level 16.

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Enderal does reward you for exploring. Almost every locked chest seems to have at least a couple of magic items. I now have a personal chest full of more stuff than I can ever use.

I've made it farther into the Main Quest, which gets pretty interesting. The story is such that I'm starting to wonder about some of my companions. Actually, I'm even starting to wonder about my own character.


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Hmm, that sounds mysterious. I guess I'll find out when I reach that level. I've been clearing out the western Heartlands--mines, caves and crypts and having little trouble until I reached the sawmill. I don't know how I can handle the very tough mages. Their magic is powerful and they always see me and come running. There was a monster Mud Elemental in the area too, but the Oorbaya and I were able to kill it. I guess I'll come back later. Any ideas are welcome.

I have 4 memories to use. That might help a bit.

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I think I remember that sawmill. Is it in a steeply-sided canyon? If it's the one I'm thinking of there may be another way in through a trap door. Otherwise, climb high and cast down. Best is a rock that sticks up so you can back down behind it and be safe from spells

Right through the game I've run into spots where the enemies were just too tough, and I'm at level 65 or something ridiculous now. When I got to Thalgard I literally had to hide behind a rock and a tree up against a building and cast, say, 30 Mud Elementals down at a mob of Thalgardians. A lot of the time I couldn't even see what was going on, except when I stepped out briefly to finish one off. Eventually I could see health meters going down, and down, and came out for the last three, and even then it was close.

That level 3 Mud Elemental was the highest level summons I ever found, but I think that's because I went all the way up the Memory tree but didn't spend enough learning points into Entropy.


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I finally cleared all of them out of the Sawmill. It doesn't appear to be a canyon, but there are some high rocks. It is quite near the border Myrad. Caught most in the woods and used my sword. When I thought all were gone, I was picking up the loot and another mage blasted me in the back! I hid behind a cabin and got him when he got close. No trapdoor that I noticed. The strongest elemental spell I have is a level 2 fireball.

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I think the spells you find lying around and the ones in stored must level with your skill in a particular school of magic. I didn't get any really powerful spells until later in the game, and even then I could barely cast them until I upped my Mana pool.

I'm taking a hiatus from the game for a few days as we're renovating our kitchen and my house looks like a bomb went off! I think I'm pretty close to the end so I can wait until you catch up a bit.

My guess is that the Archery path is the most powerful in the end, especially when combined with Summonses and Elemental spells. I blasted my way through the game once I hit around level 30. Even so, it isn't like Skyrim or Morrowind, when a level 60 character can wipe out the most powerful enemies with an arrow or three. I still had to fight for my life in some sections of Enderal, and had to resort to cheese tactics.

I never even tried the Psionics side of my skill tree. I might do that next time, since it has to be useful for handling mobs.

EDIT: So I'm now at what I believe is the final boss fight. Pokey, are you still playing?

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Yes, still playing and at level 21. I just killed Sixhoof, the vatyr (wanted quest) and then cleared most of the monastery nearby. My two-handed battleaxe seems to be the most effective weapon. Some of the magic is useful, but if there is a mob, I get overpowered. My Aeterna fire bow is still useful. I've cleared a lot of the map around Ark except for the far west Heartlland and I have the Duneville area to check out again.

When should I meet up with Jespar again? I still feel like I could do more exploring around Ark, or does that matter?

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Jespar is only a companion for specific quests, so unless you have a quest that requires that you meet him, you can leave him for as long as you want and just go exploring. He just likes to hang around the pub all the time, the lazy, self-absorbed git.


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I was heading up the Farmer's Coast and as I passed a waterfall I ran into very tough marauders and very powerful mages, so I headed back to Whisperwood--what a dark dreary place--and on to Fogville. I couldn't get past the mages on the way to the harbor, so avoided them by climbing down the rock cliff. There was one of those glowing signals on top of a huge rock that I couldn't figure out how we were supposed to click on it. An arrow didn't work. Did you get that one? I will try a sneak attack on the mages as I head back up. I'm at level 27 now and not many places I can go, just a few small areas and Powder Desert that I may be able to handle.

I like this game more than Skyrim. The exploration is much more interesting.

I wandered north from Fogville and ended up at Frostcliff Tavern. Nice to see humans instead of skeletons and vatyrs, etc.

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Yes, I got the symbol on the rock. You have to get to it from above, jumping from the rocks. Even after about 300 hours I still only had about 60 symbols. They're tucked in everywhere.

I remember those mages. I came back and took my revenge on them later in the game.


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I'll have to check your method out. I thought I looked all around and didn't see any way of getting it.

I did take care of the mages on my way back up that path. I'm checking out more of Frostcliff and earning a lot of experience.

I ended up at Old Miskamuhr looking for an item for a quest. What an otherwordly weird place!

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I've been gaining levels in Powder Desert. It really helped when I got the Commander Greatsword from the high level enemy in the Duneville Crypt. I couldn't use melee as I was killed by one hit, so I ran around the crypt flinging fire balls with little effect. Then I ran outside with the enemy close behind. When I got to the Myrad, one of the guards did a little damage (old Gothic strategy). I found a tall rock and threw fireballs from there. That worked and I got the powerful sword. I went through Old Askamahn and got the quest item and found a few other locations to loot. The reward I chose for this quest is a staff that can paralyze for 10 seconds. That is plenty of time to get to a mage and demolish him with a sword. It was also valued at over 4000 gold.

I am thinking of connecting with Jespar in order to get access to the Sun Temple.

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The Powder Desert was really intimidating at first but eventually I found the area to be a load of fun, even with all the powerful wildlife, though even at level 60 those Bonerippers are terribly difficult to beat if you're a thief/archer.

One thing I found with my climbing to hit from above strategy; I found many magical symbols and other cool stuff I wouldn't have uncovered from ground level. It seems that it always pays to explore in this game. I'd scramble up rocks looking for a place to attack from and lo and behold there would be a symbol or a skeleton with loot, or even a cave.

Once you get to the Sun Temple you'll have access to better magical and alchemy stuff, and, of course, the main quest lines.

One thing about this game I really appreciate over the Elder Scrolls; once you've read a book it shows up as read when you encounter another copy of it so you aren't endlessly picking up books you don't need to look at. The same goes for spells. No buying a spell you already know.


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hagatha, did you meet the final boss? How did it go?

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I have met the final boss, or at least I think I have. I decided to wait for a bit. It's a tough battle and requires some strategizing. The story that gets you to that point is pretty good and I'll be interested to see which of the endings I get.


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I've been ill for several days but am back and had a score to settle with a wild mage in the canyon just below the Fogville myrad. I got killed so many times and didn't even get close to him, so decided to try from the other direction. I found a very high ledge his spell didn't seem to reach and was able to kill him with my Aerterna fire bow. It is still doing the job. Jespar is sitting on a bench near my house, I will heading to the Sun Temple next.

hagatha, did you take care of the final boss?

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Pokey, I haven't yet. I've been taking care of my sick husband for a little while now, so I haven't had much playing time. And I thought I'd wait for a while until you caught up a bit, too.


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I'm confused. Should I bother having a relationship with Jespar? Does it help me? I've met him in the tavern after going to the Sun Temple for the first time.

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The relationship stuff comes quite a bit later in the story. There's at least one other romanceable character, too.

What I didn't realize about the companions for a long time is that they only accompany you on specific quests. Otherwise they just hang around looking decorative. It isn't like Dragon Age, where you have your companion/romance with you all the time if that's what you want.

What is useful about the companions when they do accompany you is that, except on the hardest setting, they can't be killed, which is pretty handy if you're in a tough situation.


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That's what I was looking for, help on some quests. Not interested in romance.

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I send my companion into the fray while I take potshots from afar. The companions fight until they pass out, and then they slowly recover, taking out perhaps one or two more enemies until they get knocked out again. Once the field is down to only a couple of enemies, I move in. It's cheesy, but expedient and for some of the fights it was the only way my fragile archer could survive.


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I passed the trials and am a Keeper but can't find my new armor. I was on a balcony following an arrow to a door on the end but haven't found the forge. I need directions.

Edit.....nevermind, I found it on a different balcony.

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The stores down there are the best in the game. Of course I waited until nightfall and robbed them blind later that night...

Haven't had much time for playing this last couple of weeks. I'm looking forward to having some free time!


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They had a lot of stuff. Still looking for lock picking books to get to expert. Just need to check all the merchants. Did you ever get caught stealing? I've heard of players who run into a lot of trouble doing that, so I'm a bit nervous to try. I did pick up a couple things early on and I got fined once when I accidentally clicked on an item on a merchant's display.

I just finished the Aged Man quest. That was quite a crazy time. Glad it is done. Took me a while to locate the Conjure Pyrean spell I needed in my inventory.

I need to get back to fighting and looting for a change and let the main quest wait.

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I've completed Deus Ex Machina and returned to the Sun Temple to hear that the Nehrimese are attacking and I am to meet Jespar and Firespark in Fogville to do something about silver plates. I'd rather spend some time doing other quests and exploring first. I assume it is fine to keep them waiting till I am ready?

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Oh, yeah. Go ahead and leave Jespar and Firespark. They'll wait until you get there.

I got caught stealing a few times, though on those occasions I usually just reloaded. On a very few occasions someone caught me and barked at me, but nothing more serious than that.


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I went over and checked them out and they were standing in the fog.

I am having a very hard time with the bounty quest Gagantua. There are four elemental wolves, two other mages and Gagantua at the campsite. I can't even begin to kill the wolves and then the mages join in. There's a lot of fire and I die quickly. I don't see any high spots to take cover and attack. I tried taking them one at a time but they come en mass. Any tips?

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I used Summons extensively for battles like this one. Cast one, make sure it's engaged with the enemy, then hide until the summons is dead, then repeat. Usually the enemies would wear down over time. I once spent half an hour doing this in real time taking out a group of about ten over-powered enemies.


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I'll try that. I hope there is a place to hide. I haven't seen any likely spots yet.

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Got it done. I used my staff of Oorbaya as that it was the strongest I had, level 30. It was slow at first but didn't take that long. I cast the spell and had to run way down the hill to a building to wait. Once the wolves were done, it went quick.

That was actually pretty exciting seeing the strategy work. I need to visit the Sun Temple to see if the vendors have any high level summons. I need some better spells as well.

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I think you can buy Summons spells from the vendor in Duneville, the one in the bar. Not sure about the Sun Temple, since it's necromancy.


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Good idea. I hadn't thought about him. The best he has right now is Ice Elemental II. I'll check back later on.

I did find a blueprint for the huge backpack at the Wild Mages camp and crafted it. Lots more space!

Heading up to the dangerous north coast of Goldenforst/Thalgard for the bounty quest. I haven't had success at Castle Firerock yet.


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Help! I have a problem. I stole a bow from the ship near the Fruit Co. When I returned to Ark with the bow in my inventory, I was mobbed by the guards hitting me with their swords. I didn't get a chance to pay a fine. I was able to teleport out and went to an earlier save and dropped the bow. I tried to go back to Ark and was mobbed again. Teleported out again. I have a save before I picked up the bow. Will that work? When I dropped the bow, it disappeared.

Will the guards hit me until unconscious and then give me a chance to pay a fine or go to jail?

Edit...I went back to the hard save before I picked up the bow and that worked. Putting it in my chest didn't work. Also, traveling across the map and back with Myrads didn't work.

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That must be a glitch. Some of the guards in certain areas seem to be preternaturally alert to thievery, but reloading always got me out of a jam.

Was it a special enchanted bow, or just a bow? I found a couple of excellent bows, but I also put tons of points into crafting and made myself the Bone bow, which is awesome.


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I believe it was the Silver Steel Bow of Fire Wrath. Actually nothing of great value. I was going to sell it. It certainly wasn't worth all the trouble it caused. I don't think I will be thieving any more.

I would like to upgrade some weapons. Is it possible to upgrade enchanted weapons?

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Yes, you can upgrade enchanted weapons if you have the right skills. I haven't got my game open right now, but the blacksmithing tree, as far as I remember, doesn't include enchanted weapons. That skill is in one of the magic skill Memory trees, in the centre (can't remember which one).

I found the blacksmithing skills to be essential and created some pretty great stuff, including armour sets and major bows.

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I've been busy doing the main quest. Currently at level 35 and outside Northwind castle with Calia looking for a black pearl. Just figured out what the black powder was for. Too bad it didn't work, but we will find a way in.

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At level 35 you should be getting pretty powerful, too. That was about the level where I felt I could explore without being killed every few minutes. There never was a point where I felt invincible.

I've been catching up on my TV shows but will getting back to my game soon. I still have to take out that main boss. I've been putting it off because he talks, and talks, and talks, and talks, and if he wasn't my main antagonist I would kill him anyway just for being a pedantic bore.


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Well, the Northwind castle quest was quite a slog. I had little problem early on, but later on the 60 seconds to kill a bunch of guards, find the key and then locate the door to unlock was quite frustrating as I couldn't find the right door. Then I had a hard time throwing the powder satchel through a small hole. The worst part was the room with the black stone. The reanimated servants there were wearing heavy armor and much stronger than any others I met. I couldn't even kill one before I was dead. I finally ran through the castle and found a narrow stairway where I had a better chance. Glad to get by that.

I couldn't turn in the stone to the Archmagister as he only wanted to talk about the quest to get evidence on a death. I hope when I have all the stones, he will consider taking them. I hope I don't have to do the side quest first.

Heading to the Nobles area for the last stone and hoping it goes better.

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I hated that pouch-throwing incident. It almost turned into a computer-throwing incident.

What level are you at now?


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I just hit level 36. Heading out to Silvergrove in the Powder Desert. This part of the quest is more fun.

i did get the Archmagister to take the two black stones. I just needed to scroll down to get the whole dialogue.

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Glad you found the dialogue. Good luck in the Desert.


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Finished up Silvergrove and gave the last black stone to the Archmagister. I was told to talk to Yuslan
Sha Rim,
but he was continually busy and fast travel wouldn't work so I used a cheat to break him loose (actually Arantheal, who he was talking to) and we ran off to defend against the invasion. Need to get the gate closed now.

Will I be able to do more side quests still? How long?

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I don't recall a point where I couldn't do side quests, but I had none left, I think, before I ventured into the last part of the game. When you set out on the last quest, it sort of has "end game" flashing in neon, anyway.

I better get back to my game! It'll take me a couple of hours to remember what I'm doing -- right in the middle of a huge battle.


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I am working on getting the items for the star ship. I have a problem with the crystal in Thalgard. The map marker can't be correct. There is no way to get to it.

Found it by heading north toward the big round light. There is a stairway there. Heading into the workshop to find the cube.

I have the cube and alloys, so will be heading off in the star ship.

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You're chugging right along, then. It's a decent game, especially since it was free! You have to love the dedication, making something like that for others to enjoy.


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It is a great game and I appreciate their efforts. Nehrim should be available soon at Steam. I am having a good time. I went to the Wellwatch Myrad tower in Goldenforst. and cleared nearly all the area. Just the mine remaining. The level of difficulty is less than the Thalgard area. My Oobaya was pretty helpful except the time he saw a mage and ran! I wish I could locate some higher summons.

Next I will head toward Thalgard and see how far I can get. I probably didn't do enough side quests to get very far on the memory choices. I don't think I will be able to get the one that allows improving enchanted weapons. I wonder if the improvement is that much anyway. I have one of the best two handers in the game and it has stamina drain. I am at level 38.

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Yes, I'm looking forward to Nehrim. I had it on a disk a while back, but when we moved it got scratched and I never downloaded it again.

The ability to improve magic weapons is great, I think. I've upgraded all my stuff. But you do find excellent weapons along the way.


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I've spent a lot of time trying to get by the mob in Thalgard, but without much success. I've only killed a couple of the guards. I searched everywhere, but couldn't find a place to spam summons without getting caught and killed. I tried the big pillars in front of the building. I get to the top of the stairs and two guards attack, quickly followed by the mob. If I try to run down the stairs, I run into a Steel Warden and there is no way to handle him. Also tried invisibility but there was no place to hide.

Also, I'm running out of soul gems, so I need to go back to Ark.

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I just made a dumb mistake. I went to Northwind and was at a camp with three others. I walked down the path and was attacked by two big ice elementals and ran back to the camp. As I was throwing fireballs at the elementals, I must have hit the campers. I was being attacked by some men, who I kept hitting and they kept getting up. Then I realized they must be the campers. After a while there was only one around and he walked back to the camp. I got a message that all witnesses were dead and the bounty was lifted. Next, I was killed by a couple of bears. This time I will be more careful. I didn't realize I could get a bounty and all I saw were the red dots I thought were enemies. Didn't notice there were no health bars until it was too late. Glad I get a do-over.

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I think that's the camp you can fast-travel to, so It's handy because there's a merchant there.

Because my character is a cowardly archer I do sometimes draw enemy monsters close to villages and other populated sites and watch other people take the pounding I was meant to take. I rationalize that since I have to save the world, I better stay alive. grin

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I am still at the Northwind camp and realized that the Colossus was very close, so I checked him out. The wisps made it tough but I found a way over the cliff rocks that held Colossus in a very small area and I was able to throw level 3 fireballs at will. I had to do it twice because his body disappeared the first time. I got the Deathstorm sword.

I was having a problem with health. I ate food before the fight to bring it up to full, but nothing happened. So I tried eating in the midst and still nothing. So I'm confused. When I got back to camp and ate roast pork as I did before, the health bar filled up. I've seen this happen a few times lately. Do you know what I am doing wrong?

All three at the camp had supplies. Lots of food, so I loaded up. I'm at level 40 now.

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I think food only works if you aren't in combat.


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I think I'm on the homestretch now. Just returned from Star City with the map and talked to Arantheal. I wasted a lot of time on weird happenings, such as the time I couldn't find Jespar on the ship to talk to because he was standing behind a wooden pillar, and then I found myself in a strange place, dark, small flat island and no place to go. I did find him after reloading. Then I couldn't run when my armor was off and I finally figured out that my backpack was also missing.

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The boss is dead. I thought I had a big problem as both generators had 0% showing as I hit them. They burst into flames anyway, so I finished the quest. That was a hard one. I died so many times! Heading back to the Sun Temple to finish the game.

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You're ahead of me now! I tried to play the other day and my old Alienware seems to have given up the ghost. cry My other computer won't run it. I'll have to see if it can be resurrected but if not it may be time for a new gaming laptop.

How did you kill the boss? I had an awful time, being an archer, and that was why I stalled at that point.


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I watched a video of an archer in that fight. He seemed to be doing okay but I wouldn't like to try it. Too many enemies attacking at once. I used my greatsword and it worked pretty well. I seemed to have problems with successive releases of enemies without hearing Calia say to attack the generators. Once I attacked with a sword near a container with an enemy exiting and ended up inside and couldn't get out when Calia said the shields were down.

Have you tried using fireballs or other magic? I don't know if summons can be used, but that would help.

That golden enemy was really annoying . He exploded, killing me four times in a row. I learned to keep running. Once I got used to all the chaos going on, I saved every time I had gained a bit and it didn't take that long. Save a lot, but be careful of saving in a bad situation. Keep a hard save at the beginning of the fight so you don't get in trouble.

Hope you get it running. Have you tried turning down some settings? I haven't had a problem except in the Powder Desert where my video went very strange at times. I am using an old save to visit a few areas I missed and doing a few quests.

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I guess being an archer is great up to the point where you actually have a challenge, and then it's not so great. grin

My computer was running the game perfectly. It's just old, and starting to have problems, not the least of which was a complete freakout a while back in which it inexplicably did a factory reset on bootup without being asked to do so, and in the process I lost some of my game installations like my modded Fallout 4.

Also, its internal Alienware backup system stopped working properly a while back and I'm not even sure what's backed up and what isn't. Not a huge deal, because the only thing that's eve on it is games, but still it's an annoyance.

I'm taking it in next week for a checkup.


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