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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1224362
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I am not an outdoorsy type and I don't do water but the place you live at sounds so beautiful hagatha!

Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1224387
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Hagatha, that sounds like heaven to me!! hearts


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1224404
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It is heaven, and it's kept us sane through my husband's illness. The city itself has little to offer, but wilderness is our back yard.


By the way, there are online videos of humpbacks mugging boats near our city. It's quite an impressive sight.

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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1224405
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I found this video. What a beautiful sight.

Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1224429
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We know the fellow in this video. He actually knows all of the whales around here, though he is more of an Orca expert.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...hale-watchers-on-b-c-boat-tour-1.4762696

As you can see, a humpback mugging is a fine thing, indeed!


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1224602
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Chiming in on the topic of boredom. I'm fine but people whose everyday lives revolved around volunteer work; community work are having a hard time adjusting to the limitations, not being able to be around a lot of people. A friend of mine just retired and is struggling with that very thing. She has cerebral palsy and, up until a month ago, worked everyday and spent her free hours doing community work. The day after she retired she shared with me that she was at a loss of what to do 'cause all the places she used to hang out in are closed. She doesn't drive and depends on others for computer stuff. I guess some people need to learn to redirect their energy.


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1224603
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butterflybabe, I count my blessings every day that I have MORE than enough to keep me busy. Yes, the horse rescue where I volunteer is closed to the public, but stalls still need to be cleaned and all the chickens, pigs, goats, etc. still need to be taken care of. Plus, my gardens are keeping me very busy canning tomatoes and making pickles. I know several people who are having a hard time with the boredom.


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1224665
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butterflybabe, my BIL lives in Chicago and volunteers 3 days a week at the foodbank. There are places everywhere in need of help if she wants to fill her time!


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1224728
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I think she's mostly still in shock over this change in her life. I'm sure she'll figure it out. Have to check with her on that the next time we talk.


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1224952
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So our cases in B.C. are on the rise again thanks to people starting to congregate in large numbers again (I'm looking at you, young people).

People just aren't realizing that this is going to be our life for quite a long time and it will be even longer if people don't step up, mask up, and act like adults. I try not to get too upset with people who are less than cautious , but my husband is at risk, and actually so am I, with my asthma.


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1224965
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THe big picture is not in infection rate, but how serious they are. Hospitalizations are near nothing and they are either asymptomatic or have mild symptoms. Much like a common cold virus, we may never get rid of it but we can't stop living.


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1225037
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More young people are catching COVID and in that group the death rate is lower, but the transmission rate remains the same. For my husband, it would be a death sentence.


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1225041
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Did you catch the news item about the 20,000 motorbike people in for an annual convention? Reporter talked to one of them who wasn't wearing a mask and wasn't worried cause 'it's just a form of the flu'. It's that kind of blase attitude that is almost worse then the virus itself.


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1225087
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My views are vastly different from everyone here, so I will bow out, but I wish everyone good health and happiness! hearts


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1225094
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I think the main issue is lack of coordination when it comes to the dissemination of knowledge on the virus and its impacts

So far we know that COVID is most definitely spread through:
-Direct person to person contact
-Airborne Exposure for a period of time dependent on conditions and air circulation
-Person to surface to person contact for a limited period of time

We also know those typically at risk:
-Have pre-existing conditions (either weakened immune systems or chronic conditions that worsen with the virus symptoms such as COPD or heart/organ failure)
-Lack general good health
-The elderly. A some what overly generalized term, but I think most of us get the implications.
-Those genetically predisposed to prolonged suffering from this type of virus - This is the one that's scary, because being an RNA based virus it can impact even the healthiest person critically, dependent on factors that have yet to be identified. In other words it is "the luck of the draw".

What we don't know
- How to define "Asymptomatic" when it comes to COVID. Mainly because there are an array of symptoms that have been observed, some of which are only slight. This is why WHO re-defined what they meant about asymptomatic spread of the virus. It's simply very difficult to quantify. If you don't know that you're infected, chances are you're not going to be tested. If you contact-spread the virus, you won't necessarily show up when contact tracing is performed in an outbreak area. As a result it may appear that the spread of COVID by asymptomatic individuals could be initially rare. The important thing to note, is that being asymptomatic does not mean you can't shed the virus. If you have it, are in the process of what's known as shedding or the point when you're most contagious - You can still spread it through a sneeze or cough that might be caused by your seasonal allergies or even a little irritation caused by dust, but is no less effective in spreading it than someone with pronounced symptoms.

So, its probability: The higher the number contracting it, the more public contact, the higher the transmission rates will become, therefore the higher the probability that high risk individuals will contract it. Basically a very nasty circle.


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: butterflybabe] #1225096
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Originally Posted by butterflybabe
Did you catch the news item about the 20,000 motorbike people in for an annual convention? Reporter talked to one of them who wasn't wearing a mask and wasn't worried cause 'it's just a form of the flu'. It's that kind of blase attitude that is almost worse then the virus itself.




It's actually 250,000. Yikes!

Weird times.


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1225161
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Trail, that's about the best description I've seen. That's why this thing is so scary for people in my age group. My grandson may not show symptoms, but he could pass it to us. And like hagatha, it would be a death sentence for us. When you have roughly between 20,000 and 30,000 die each flu season from seasonal flu and over 30,000 per MONTH die from COVID-19, it kind of tells you something about this virus that like Trail says, is a very nasty circle.

My next door neighbor is a COVID ICU nurse. She told me about holding the hand of a 37 year old wife and mother and looking into her eyes and telling her she was going to keep fighting for her as she died. No underlying conditions and she couldn't see her children or her husband. THAT'S why I will take this thing seriously.


Gardens put to bed for the winter. Time for some gaming!
Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: Draclvr] #1225171
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Well, the good news is that with the plethora of medical researchers studying the virus and its impacts, they think they have at least identified what causes people to go critical so fast. Even if they don't have any known pre-existing conditions. Luckily, the Benaroya Research Institute in Seattle that specializes in autoimmune diseases joined the fight and found that the virus does cause an autoimmune response in some people; what they call a "cytokine storm".

Basically, the immune system uses a two part attack on invaders. The first part is what causes inflammation in the body. Like when you get aches and pains or swelling when you have the flu. Then another component takes over and basically tells the first wave to back-off. What appears to be happening, is that COVID prevents the "communication" between those cells in some cases, allowing that first phase to run rampant. That creates all sorts of problems from the resulting uncontrolled inflammation and related complications. So if they can catch it quick enough for people headed down that path using known therapies, they can possibly stop them from going critical. It's a step in the right direction at least.

That might also explain some of the odd, seemingly unrelated symptoms that have cropped up during and even in recovery (neurologic issues, hair loss), because autoimmune responses can really cause havoc with the body.


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1225172
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I have been reading about the cytokine storm response for a while now. This virus is causing the medical community to scratch their heads and come up with therapies they wouldn't normally use. The body-wide blood clots in the younger patients are something they are treating aggressively too. It's definitely not doing the things to the body that a "normal" virus such as seasonal flu does. I was also reading something about how these viruses that jump from other animals to humans makes them so hard to figure out.


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1225236
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The cytokine storm theory terrifies me, because I have three different autoimmune diseases already. I tend not to get sick with flu or anything else on a regular basis, but on the very rare occasion when I do get sick, it's a doozy. I'm going to have to err on the side of extreme caution if this is what's going on.

It's now thought that our second wave will be here in September, so we're planning on shutting ourselves down at the end of August and going back to staying at home except for groceries. At least we now have toilet paper, though sometimes you can't get it. People are still stocking up on it.


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1225238
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I admit to being a little stocked up on the toilet paper as I am worried about having trouble finding it in the not too distant future if things keep going the way they are now. As Ana said, you can't stop living, but if there are precautions you can take, why not take them? Some people just seem to be looking for trouble.

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I totally agree, oldbroad. We haven't stopped living, but we have definitely adjusted our "living" to keep ourselves and others safe. The precautions are so simple I don't understand why people find it so hard to do to stop this thing. I remember my 94 year old mother telling me about all the sacrifices they had to make during WW II from gas only sold one day a week and meat only eaten one day a week and the lard and onion sandwiches - yuck! People today don't seem capable of making any sacrifices to help the country.


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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: Draclvr] #1225281
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Oh, Drac. I’ve been making the same comparison. Women who normally were homemakers went to work in the factories amd there was ratioining of many things. You got one book of ration stamps a month amd when you ran out, you just had to make do until the next month. No frozen dinners at the atore, no restauramt carry-out or delivery. The women on the homefront had to do the shopping and the cooking, and figure out eays to stretch the ration stamps. Everyone did their part for the war effort and were proud of their accomplishments when it was over.

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Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: oldbroad] #1225285
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Originally Posted by oldbroad
but if there are precautions you can take, why not take them?
Because they don't work and/or make things worse.

There was a YouTube video by an immunology expert who explained why staying home was a mistake and why it would lead to people getting sick, sometimes very sick, from germs that they normally had immunity to. He explained why people needed regular re-exposure to these germs in order to maintain their immunity. So what Trail posted here was exactly what you'd expect to happen when people don't go out and try to avoid all germs --
Originally Posted by Trail_Mystic
My significant other and I ended up getting tested last week, because I was running a light fever and had a couple other minor symptoms the weekend before last. No idea how any virus could have penetrated our defenses, because we've been extremely cautious ( mean to the point of obsessive smile ) , but apparently it did.

Never mind how other health problems are ignored while over-emphasizing COVID.
Tuberculosis is expected to skyrocket in countries like India because of Tuberculosis testing centers being converted to COVID-only testing and treatment.

Re: Covid 19 - Pandemic thread Part 2 [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1225309
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Jenny100, I agree with you 1000%.

Here is a great example. One of my clients daughters graduated a couple weeks ago. She attended a graduation party with only her friends that she has seen all summer and one had Covid. 15 of them caught it. They all had fevers that lasted less than 24 hours, were tired a few days and lost taste and smell. NO siblings, NO parents caught it. They are all off quarantine now and are off to college this weekend with antibodies. Pre-covid they wouldn't even have been tested. It would be called a cold or virus and not reported.
I realize some get very ill. Same thing with any virus. Some get knocked down, some bounce right back.


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