I thought I was going to have problems drawing the slates but I was wrong. I actually got that. I am on Laki'ahn and I am trying to unlock the cage. I have looked at both WT's and still not making sense to me. I get so far as calling the wind and pulling the levers but when I go into the central cage,I can see the pedestal with the rock on top but it won't let me turn towards that way. I obviously need to adjust the position of the cental cage but I don't know if I did it right in the first place. Before I went to the area with the levers, I had my hand grab something to the left of the rock on the top left but I could never move anything with my hand. This is when I first get there. I went back to where the tunnel is and the WT says sealed gates. I have no clue where the sealed gates are. Help..... I think I need to do something with my hand before I go to that windmill thing with the levers but WHAT????

Hi Renee -- it's been a long time since I played this -- is this the walkthrough you're using?



It looks like the center lever pulls the thing (as I recall, it's made of stone) you want to interact with up and down levels (like an elevator) and you need to get it on ground level so you can interact with it.

Then the right lever turns the stone thing around so you can use it.

You may need to use the left lever and go back and check where the stone thing is until it's on the correct level, and then use the right lever and go back and check it until it's turned toward you so you can interact with it.

If that makes sense!

This one was very frustating for me too.

You will be doing 2 things with this pedestal.

1. You want to see what the next sign is for this pedestal.
(you will be linking from the bubble to this pedestal.)

2. You want to go to the next area.

To see what the sign is you have to:
use your wind sign, then pull the left lever to activate the windmill.
Pull the center lever once to raise the cage out of the water.
Then press the red button on the right side of this lever.
Now go and see what the sign is and make a note of it.

Next you have to go back to the bubble and enter the new sign.
Once you have done this go back to the windmill by walking there.

Now you have to make sure your cage is at water level.

The right lever turns the cage so you have to turn the cage until the back of the pedestal faces the water walkway to the next area. That is where the opening is to let you go there.

Before you can go the the next area you also have to open the corner door of the building where the walkway is by pressing the red button on the left of the levers. You can check all of this out by going next to the waterway to see if the corner opening is up and the pedestal opening is toward the water walkway and at water level. If not then keep trying until everything is open.

Next go back to the bubble and press the new sign to get to the pedetal and on to your next area.

I hope all of this helps and I didn't confuse the heck out of you.

Just remember.
The left lever starts the windmill.
The Middle lever raises and lowers the cage with the pedetal on it.
Right lever turns the pedestal.

Those red buttons still confuse me but one of them does open the door of the building so you can go to the next area.

Good Luck and hope all of this makes some sense.

Thanks, Becky and VHL!

Not in the least.I used the ones on here and neither one said to do anything with the buttons. Hmmmmmmmmmm Very interesting. I shall have to go back to start from scratch and hope I have a save there. What WT was this one you two are talking about? I don't like to comment on WT's if people tend to leave things off but you can't imagine how much time I spent on this last night. I appreciate the input from both of you and will let you know if it works. Thanks

Renee.

Renee -- I think I used Bert Jamin's walkthrough here.

Renee, VHL has a good grasp on the issues. I'll add some comments I posted earlier about his challenge...

If you understand the controls, you can solve this. Here is the step by step:

Start the wind (via the three waves drawing on the slate)

- LEFT lever activates the controls. Hit it once each time after you start the wind.

- SECOND FROM LEFT lever raises the cage. If you raise it too high, hit it again to lower it once. You should only have to pull this once.

- RIGHT lever rotates the cage. If you rotate it too far, hit it again and check again till you have it right. (You should have to pull this one twice to rotate the cage properly)

- LEFT button opens the triangular doors to the Arena. You can see them open thru the wind from the windmill controls (upper left).

- RIGHT button does nothing. Leave it alone.

Go back and forth from the windmill controls to the cage... if it isn't right (now that you know what does what) go back, start the wind, activate the controls and move something to get it right. The cage can only be rotated four directions. Try each one. You can see the triangular door open, so open it and leave that button alone.

Good luck!

Dadguy

I must be really dumb. I did it twice and the wind lasted longer the second time but then it wouldn't let me turn towards the cage but I did notice that the pedestal was up this time. Does the wind have to stay on the whole time I am doing this and what is the arena? I am really lost. I pulled the left lever and then the middle one once and the right one twice and only then am able to push the left button. AFter that, I am lost. I see nothing open and no where to go and I haven't a clue what I am doing or what I should be looking for. Does that make sense? This part is like way too hard. I may need a save but I am just starting the game so I would have to send my save where I am at. What am I looking for at this windmill or where the pedestal is? Nothing looks open to me. I went back to the bubble but there wasn't any sign there the first time but I didn't go the second time but I wouldn't know what to do anyway. I would prefer to follow one WT for this section or at least have one of you give me a clue as to what I am looking for. Am I suppose to see anything else on this triangular building that is open? How do I get in there where the pedestal is or am I suppose to go in there? I feel like crying. LOL

The wind has to stay on when you are using the levers to move the cage or turning it. The wind is your power for the levers and button. Once you have moved the cage at water level and have turned the cage around so the opening is to the right side of the building then you don't need the wind anymore.

The building where you enter is the front. The windmill is to the back as you are looking at the building. The water walk way is to the right of the building where you will see a straight path to your next area. You will be walking on that water path to the next area which is called the arena.

What you want to be open is the corner of the building located over the water path. If you go next to the path and look at the building you want that corner to be in the up position. The pedestal cage opening should be facing the opening of the building so you can go on the walkway in the water to the next area.

You cannot get next to the pedestal until you teleport there from the bubble.

You have to draw the sign you find on the back of the pedestal and bring the slate back to the bubble. You then drop the slate inside the bubble and back away from the bubble and let the creature place the slate back on the pedestal. Once he has done that you can then go back into the bubble and you will see the new sign on the pedestal and will be able to use it by clicking on it. Once you are at the pedestal located in the building, don't forget to take the slate with you as you go to the arena.

I hope this clears everything a little more for you. If not then ask away and we will see if we can help you more.

Oh and don't cry because we will help you get through this.

Good thing I just played my way through all 5 mysts not to long ago. I knew there was a reason why I did hehe.

Thanks again, VHL.

You are very Welcome

Let us know how you did.

ok so that is what is not open the corner of the building. Is that area where I walk around the building and would be seeing it right next to the pathway to the water going in the back? One question that wasn't answered was why the first time I did the levers I could face the cage but the next time I couldn't turn around to face it. Did that mean I finally did that part right and if so, then what? I still don't see an opening in the back or any opening for that matter.I also do not see the sign on the front of the pedestal but I will go back and look again.

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I just went back in and went to the save right before I do the levers and this time I watched what was going on. I can see the cage raise but I don't know what level I should be at and then I see it turn and also not sure how much it should be turned and then last but not least the button does open the triangular door and I saw that. I go back and the pedestal is there and one time it is on the ground and another time it is up higher but I am not seeing no SIGN.................I know what it looks like since I saw it in the WT so if I could get this part right I am sure I can go to the bubble and finish the rest of this sooooooooooo what the heck am I doing wrong? Do I wait for the first lever to go back up or once I pull it do I leave it there and etc etc etc. I am going to cry. No doubt about it. So glad you also just played this. LOL I do not want to follow the WT's at all. They are all too different and too confusing so hopefully with all of your help I can get through this but I still am not seeing a sign or whatever I am suppose to do next. OH yeah, and what level the cage is turned and lifted and whatnot. Thanks

It sounds like you have the opening to the building near the water path opened. Leave it alone now. Don't push any red buttons anymore.

As far as the sign goes. It is on the back of the pedestal and the pedestal has to be in the up position. The back has to also be facing the entrance where you first come in so then you will be able to see the sign if you go back there and look.

Now you have to get the cage with the pedestal at water level and turned so you can get out of the cage once you teleport to it.

Maybe you should go back to the bubble and draw the sign since you know what it is. Drop it and let the creature put it back. Then teleport to the cage to see what opening I am talking about and then maybe it may make more sense to you. You will be able to see where the opening is and what way you have to turn the cage to be able to go to the arena. While you are there if you can get out at all and walk around then you are at ground level and may only have to turn the cage to have the opening of the cage face the waterwalk way. If you are facing the water path then you can just continue to go there. If you are not then you will have to teleport back to the bubble and walk back here to turn the cage until it aligns with the water path way.

As far as what you did the first time I am not sure where you were when you tried to turn around or why you couldn't. It really doesn't matter. Try the above and see what happens.

Thanks, VHL.

Renee,

A couple things.

1. In answer to your question, the cage has to be at water level (i.e., the floor of the cage is at water level). There are three levels; a. below water level, b. water level, c. above water level. If you have it at water level, you are good. If not, each click of the second from left lever moves it in this order a to b, b to c, c to b, b to a, a to b... etc, so if you make a mistake keep pulling that lever till you get to position b.

2. To summarize, there are only three things to do with the windmill controls:

-a. Raise the cage to water level (one click of the second from left lever if you are starting from a clean save)

-b. Rotate the cage so that it is facing the triangual door to the arena (which you open as discussed in c. below). This is done with the right-most lever. Each pull of the lever rotates 90 degrees. The cage is closed on three sides like am open phonebooth. If you are starting with a clean save, I think it requires three pulls, I can't remember for sure. When it is rotated properly, you will not be able to get into it by walking up to it: you must link to it by drawing the symbol (from the pedestal in the cage) on the slate and dropping it. If drawn correctly, the Bahro will create a link to this pedestal from the "home" bubble in this Age.

-c. Open the triangular door to the Arena. This is done with the left button, and through the dust you can see the door swing open on the upper left. From a clean start, you need only click it once.

Maybe I'll draw a little sketch to help you.

Windmill - Cage Layout

VHL and I are saying similar things; I just wanted to try saying it differently.

Let us know how you do!

Dadguy

EDIT: Created this crude sketch in MS Paint to help you understand. Have fun!

Wow! Thanks, dadguy!

dadguy opened your layout and it is awesome. I figured that much out but that was about all. Now don't anyone fall over but I went in and got it on the first try. I almost fell over. I notice that the WT's are wrong in lots of ways so that is why I would rather ask for help. Makes it less confusing. Anyway, I am now stuck again because I looked at Graham's WT..........that is the one I will look at for consistency.........and there are things that were just wrong so I figured it out myself. I am now on top of the tower in the arena and it said in Graham's WT that it will sink slowly down and as you have probably figured out by now.........no,this is not happening. Also, I never drew the other signs and they still showed up so I guess we don't have to draw all of the signs??? Anyway, I have a save but how do I get down from the tower or should I be up there in the first place? It may have something to do with the weighing of me and the slate but I couldnt figure that out so I went by what the WT said but the tower did rise again at that time. Now I am on top and can't get down. LOL Now what do I do or maybe I should say, what did I do wrong?

Teleporting is the only way to get from one pedestal to another and you have to draw the signs so they appear on the pedestal once the creature does his thing.

If you are talking about the pedestal tower then once you teleport there and it starts to go down you should jump off and head on over to the right (I think) and meet mister wonderful.

If not then I am not sure what tower you are talking about.

I read in the WT that the tower is suppose to slowly go down when I am teleported there and it is not going down. It is the tower that I had to rise and that is what happened and the sign was already there and I went back to the bubble and the sign was also there and it said the only way I could get to the top of the tower was from the bubble and that is what I am doing. If you read above in my post VHLMagic,I said that that is the tower I am on and it is to slowly sink down once I am teleported there and that is what I did and it is not going down so what should I do? Go back to the bubble and just walk over there and go visit Esther? You don't have to draw all of the signs. When I finally opened the cage, the sign was already there and it was also at the bubble so I could teleport to that tower. The tower is the one and only one when you first walk into the arena.

Renee, a couple of things for your information;

1 - No, you don't need to draw the symbol on some of the pedestals to get that symbol to appear on the pedestal in the bubble. This action happens when the slate is placed on a pedestal so, it will happen whether the Bahro or you place it. Having the Bahro do it is what puts the icon on the lower part of the slate that you can click to re-draw the symbol.

2 - As you have figured out, the tower with the pedestal puzzle has to do with weight. To get it to stop at the middle position where you can get off you need to set the four controls to equal the weight of the tower plus you or you and the slate. Which of these two you need to use depends on whether or not the slate will be with you (either on the pedestal or in your hands) when you link to the top of the tower.

When you first arrive, the tower is already at the level that you want so, you need to make a note of the settings of the four controls since that is the weight of the tower. The scale in the alcove to the left will give you your weight with and without the slate depending on whether or not you are carrying it. After that it's just a matter of setting the controls to the proper weight; tower plus either you or you and the slate.

Hope this helps. Dave

yes Dave this is what I am talking about so I was going buy the WT but obviously it is not right. I would thihk it is since we must all weigh the same and then the slate. I would rather do it with the slate since I always seem to be losing the slate. My problem seems to be working that weight station. I have not a clue how to do that. I went and stood on it but nothing happens and I don't know what to do with those red weights that are in there. So a little guidance here would be most appreciated. I will have to go back to the previous save or just teleport back to the bubble and then walk over to that area from inside the part where I can walk to the arena. I don't know how to determine what that weight is or what to do with those eyes. I followed the WT before and the tower did go down and then back up again but don't know what to do next regarding the weight area. Good grief..........is this whole game like this? So hard or am I just plain stupid? What four controls are you talking about? The eyes that can be opened and closed? Thanks

Renee, the alcove where you stood and saw the red eyes is the scale that shows you how much you weight. The eyes that can be opened and closed are the controls to set the weight for the tower. I can't remember exactly how they work but, I do know that they work on multiples. The right-most one is a multiple of one and the multiples increase as you move to the left. What the multiple is is shown by the number of engraved circles around the eyes (from the Coelho Buda walkthrough).

Hope this helps. Dave

P.S. Got an F1 race to watch, bye for now.
P.P.S. Why haven't you talked to Escher. Most players do it when they first link in. By the way, there is no way into that building from that direction until you unlock the door from the arena side so, you can't get to the arena from the bubble until you do.

Thanks, Dave.

Renee.

I have talked to Esher a lot but not in here yet since I have to walk across the walkway and I can't do that until I get the tower partly down/ My question was how I work the weigh station. I know that is the place in the alcove and I know about the eyes but I do not know how to work the two in able to get the tower partly down. I am able to teleport there since I have gotten into the arena. I am talking about teleporting to the bubble from the tower where I am standing now and then teleporting back and if I can't do that, I will probably just do my save from when I first came in the arena. I just need to know how to work the weigh station and what I am suppose to be looking at or for to get the tower partly down. I see some red stones in the slots in the weigh station but don't know how to work this thing and reading the WT's don't help at all. Sorry, I am not trying to be critical of the WT's but they sure don't explain very well and I am not that stupid. At least I don't think I am so.............could someone please explain what I am looking for or how to work this darn thing so I get across the walkway and talk to Esher again. Thanks

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I am going to go by Grahams WT but doing the eyes seems easy and Like I said, I got the tower up and down and have the sign but please someone tell me how to get weighed. If I drop the slate, I notice that one bottom red stone slides back, This means nothing to me. I put my hand on the weigh machine and it doesn't do anything for me so what exactly does it do or what do I do when I stand on it. I need a little guidance here guys as how to do this whole thing. I close the eyes as to the WT but how do I get the correct weight and what do I do once I get it? If not...............the crying is starting,