Posted By: flotsam
Dark Side list 2009 - 07/18/09 10:37 PM
Hi all,
Here tis. 13 days to list 13 Dark Side games that other people should play. Your paler siblings have just identified the adventure games - over here, its all about those games that you think newbies should play if they were minded to take a stroll in the dark.
You all know the drill but here are the rules:
1. You can recommend a maximum of 13 games, but you can recommend less.
2. You can't list a series, unless you use single votes for each game.
3. Expansion packs will be considered seperate games, on the basis that the original might be ordinary but an expansion pack superb.
4. Consistent with (3), packaging a game with seperate expansion packs (eg Morrowind Game of the Year edition) does not count as a single game - the original and its two expansion packs will still need to be listed seperately.
5. Witcher and Witcher Enhanced will be considered one game (the extra bits were not seperate expansion packs).
6. Any "dark" game (ie not pure adventure or casual) can be listed, irrespective of genre.
7. You don't have to indicate the type or genre, and you are not limited to any specific number of games in any genre. Go ahead and list 13 rpg's if you choose.
8. It is essentially a pc list, but given that many players have consoles as well, if you want to list games for the console go right ahead.
If you can list alphabetically it helps me count, and please use full names, as I am not as familiar with titles over here. If I get confused, I will holler.
Lets go
Posted By: looney
Re: Dark Side list 2009 - 07/19/09 04:05 AM
Thanks Flotsam! I look forward to this list, it helps me figure out just what I need next! And I need help because I'm stuck on just these:
Fable - The Lost Chapters
Oblivion
The Witcher
Titan Quest
Titan Quest -The Immortal Throne
Zanzarah
I'd like to make my list 'The Witcher' for the rest of the 7 slots but Is that allowed?
Posted By: maggie57
Re: Dark Side list 2009 - 07/19/09 04:31 AM
Hi Flotsam- Here is my list, hope I am doing this right.
Beyond Atlantis 2 (Also known as Atlantis 3: The New World)
Dungeon Siege
Dungeon Siege 2
Loki
Sacred 2
Space Quest
The Chosen: Well of Souls
The Witcher Enhanced
Titan Quest
Titan Quest - The Immortal Throne
I would also like to add The Witcher for my last three, but I think that would be wrong.
maggie
Posted By: Moondancer
Re: Dark Side list 2009 - 07/19/09 09:14 AM
13 slots are not enough for me...
But, ok.. let's just put the first 13 that come to mind...
Age of Mythology
Gothic
Gothic 2: NOTR
Heroes of Might and Magic 3
Heroes of Might and Magic 5
Jade Empire
Morrowind
Morrowind : Bloodmoon
Morrowind : Tribunal
Oblivion
Planescape Torment
Rise of Nations 2: Rise of Legends
Witcher EE
I hope I won't regret not taking a bit longer to ponder over my list... Oh, well, as long as Morrowind and the Witcher are in... oh, and Gothic and ROL, and HoMM..
EDIT: Edited to seperate Bloodmoon and Tribunal, which are both included in the Morrowind GOTY edition.
Posted By: J. King
Re: Dark Side list 2009 - 07/19/09 08:10 PM
My list would constitute the following:
Betrayal at Krondor
Civilization IV
Halo
Heroes of Might & Magic II
MechWarrior 3
Morrowind
The Witcher: Enhanced Edition
Wing Commander: Privateer
X-Wing (also for Windows)
Consoles:
Grandia (Saturn, PlayStation)
Metroid Prime (GameCube)
Perfect Dark (Nintendo 64)
Suikoden II (PlayStation)
Posted By: oldman
Re: Dark Side list 2009 - 07/19/09 09:10 PM
This is the first year that I've really had more than the allotted games to list and had to narrow mine down. None the less, my top 5 for the Dark Side remain pretty much the same as last year with Witcher easing out Morrowind for 1st followed closely by KOTOR 1 & 2 and then the TR series. Unfortunately Betrayal at Antara (my first RPG) got squeezed out of my list this year because it is difficult to play on the newer machines.
Blood Rayne
Deus Ex
Divine Divinity
Knights of the Old Republic
Knights of the Old Republic 2
Morrowind GOTY
No One Lives Forever
Sacred Gold
Tomb Raider 2
Tomb Raider Underworld
Two Worlds
Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines
Witcher enhanced
I still believe that Witcher will rule the roost
Posted By: croaker
Re: Dark Side list 2009 - 07/20/09 03:20 PM
Bioshock
Gothic II
Knights of the Old Republic
Mass Effect
No One Lives Forever
Okami [Wii]
Planescape: Torment
Psychonauts
Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords
Oblivion
Witcher
Thief: Deadly Shadows (Thief III)
Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines
I limited myself to choose only one from each the series above, with Thief III likely being the most controversial -- I just feel that the Shalebridge Cradle area tips it over Thief I.
EDIT -- I'd probably have switched one of these for Fallout 3, but I'm waiting for the GotY edition to come out as it includes all the add-on content.
Posted By: hugh
Re: Dark Side list 2009 - 07/20/09 08:51 PM
It's more than 13 but here goes
Assassin's Creed
God of War 2
God of War: Chains of Olympus
Jade Empire
Plants vs Zombies
Silent Hill: Origins
Splinter Cell: Essentials
Swat 4
The Godfather 2
Tomb Raider: Underworld
Uncharted : Drake's fortune
Velvet Assassin
X-men Origins Wolverine
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unfortunately I couldn't add sims 2 pets, seasons and indigo prophecy but I just wanted to add the new ones that I had played.
Posted By: anne2
Re: Dark Side list 2009 - 07/25/09 09:14 AM
Well, as I haven't been playing RPGs for very long my list is short, but
oooh they are such fun and these are favourites.
Gothic
Gothic 2 NOTR
Gothic 3
Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix
Oblivion
The Witcher
The Witcher Enhanced
Thanks for doing the lists again flotsam
Posted By: flotsam
Re: Dark Side list 2009 - 07/27/09 10:52 PM
Hi all and thanks trailmystic for the assistance.
Only a few days to go - cutoff is this weekend, so get listing.
Some clarification.
Having consulted those far more erudite than me on matters dark, Witcher and Witcher Enhanced will be treated as one game, and votes for Morrowind GOTY will have to be redone. As we count expansion packs as seperate games, and this is really a packaging of the original plus two expansions, for the purpose of our list it is technically 3 games.
I will amend the first post and contact the couple of people who voted for GOTY.
Thanks
Posted By: oldman
Re: Dark Side list 2009 - 07/27/09 11:16 PM
Well here I go again. I strongly disagree even though I'm outnumbered.
Morrowind GOTY has the complete Morrowind with the added chapters but it's still Morrowind. If you buy the expansions separately you still have Morrowind. You can't have the expansions without Morrowind so it is just an extension of the same game. In fact when you start the game with either Tribunal or Bloodmooned installed you are taken to the Morrowind launcher and you cannot go directly to either expansion you are started in Morrowind and you have to work to get to either expansion, so I still contest that they are all part of one game.
If that's the case then Sacred Gold should be treated the same way since it includes Underworld, which is an expansion. Witcher enhanced also includes two new adventures and with the latest patch includes 6 new adventures.
My point is that if you need the basic game to play anything then they should all be included in the basic game.
But what do I know I'm just old and had a bad day.
You make the rules and I'll follow.
Posted By: Trail_Mystic
Re: Dark Side list 2009 - 07/28/09 01:47 AM
Your point about Sacred Gold is right-on oldman and Sacred and Sacred Underworld should be listed individually, which is what we have done in past lists. The same goes for Morrowind, and similar games with formal, separately marketed expansions. Everyone has an opinion and while we can respect all, we can not necessarily please everyone so, as in the past the rules stand.
Posted By: flotsam
Re: Dark Side list 2009 - 08/02/09 08:30 AM
Hi all,
Here it is. Some surprises perhaps, but not in the winner. Two for two now, and a clear first place.
Vampire Bloodlines was probably the biggest mover, and Morrowind came back to topple Oblivion.
Thansk to everyone that participated, and thanks too for accepting the rules. Happy to revisit for next year and tweak where required.
All errors are mine, for which I apologise in advance.
Two lists follow, one numeric, and one alphabetic.
cya
Posted By: flotsam
Re: Dark Side list 2009 - 08/02/09 08:31 AM
20 The Witcher
15 Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind
14 Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion
10 Vampire Masquerade: Bloodlines
9 Bioshock
9 Divine Divinity
7 Planescape Torment
6 American Magee’s Alice
6 Fallout 3
6 Gothic
6 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
5 F.E.A.R.
5 Gothic 2
5 Might and Magic 6: The Mandate of Heaven
5 Neverwinter Nights
4 Baldur’s Gate 2
4 Bloodrayne
4 Deus Ex
4 Drakan: Order of the Flame
4 Dungeon Seige 2
4 Fable: The Lost Chapters
4 Mass Effect
4 No One Lives Forever
4 S.T.A.L.K.E.R: Shadow of Chernobyl
4 Zanzarah
3 Baldur’s Gate
3 Clive Barker’s Undying
3 Diablo 2
3 Elder Scrolls 3: Tribunal
3 Fallout
3 Half Life 2
3 Halo: Combat Evolved
3 Might and Magic 7: For Blood and Honour
3 Outcast
3 Portal
3 Sacred/Sacred Plus
3 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2: Sith Lords
3 Thief: The Dark Project/Thief Gold
2 Alone in the Dark 4: A New Nightmare, Anachronox, Assassins Creed, Beyond Divinity, Crysis, Dark Eye: Drakensang, Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, Doom 3, Dungeon Siege, Elder Scrolls 3: Blood Moon, Fallout 2, F.E.A.R: Perseus Mandate, Gothic 2: Night of the Raven, Gothic 3, Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Heroes of Might and Magic 5, Heretic Kingdoms: The Inquisition/Kult: Heretic Kingdoms, 2 Ico, Indigo Prophecy/Fahrenheit, Jade Empire, Mafia, Max Payne, Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark, Prey, Quest for Glory 4: Shadows of Darkness, Realms of the Haunting, Resident Evil 4, Sacred 2: Fallen Angel, Silent Hill 2: Restless Dreams, System Shock 2, Thief 3: Deadly Shadows, Titan Quest, Titan Quest: Immortal Throne, Tomb Raider, Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation, Two Worlds, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, Wheel of Time
1 Advent Rising, Age of Mythology, Aikens Artifact, Alone in the Dark 2, Atlantis 3, Arx Fatalis, Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn, Battlefield 2, Battlefield: Bad Company, Betrayal at Antara, Betrayal at Krondor, Brothers in Arms: Earned in Blood, Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Chosen: Well of Souls, Chronicles of Riddick, Civilization IV, Cold Fear, Condemned: Criminal Origins, Conkers Live and Reloaded, Curse of Isis, Darkened Skye, Dead Space, Diablo, Disciples 2: Dark Prophecy, Dragon Riders: Chronicles of Pern, Dungeon Keeper, Far Cry 2, F.E.A.R. 2: Project Origin, Forza Motorsport 2, Gears of War 2, Ghost Master, Godfather 2, God of War 2, God of War: Chains of Olympus, Grandia, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, Gun, Gunman Chronicles, Half Life, Halo 2, Halo 3, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Hellgate London, Heroes of Might and Magic 2, Heroes of Might and Magic 4, Heretic 2, Hexen 2, Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine, Icewind Dale, King Kong, Lands of Lore 3, Left for Dead, Legendary, Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver, Loki: Heroes of Mythology, Lost Odyssey, Marathon 2: Durandal, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Mechwarrier 3, Medal of Honour: Allied Assault, Medal of Honour: Airborne, Metroid Prime, Might and Magic 8: Day of the Destroyer, Might and Magic 9, Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer, No One Lives Forever 2, Okami, Perfect Dark, Plants vs Zombies, Pool of Radiance, Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, Prince of Persia: Warrior Within, Psychonauts, Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords, Quest for Glory 5: Dragon Fire, Rainbow 6: Vegas, Ratatouille, Resident Evil, Resistance 2, Return to Krondor, Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends, Rock Band 2, Sacred: Underworld, Saints Row 2, Shadowman, Silent Hill 3, Silent Hill: Origins, Sniper Elite, Space Quest, Splinter Cell: Essentials, Star Wars: Republic Commando, Suikoden, SWAT 4: The Stetchkov Syndicate, Team Fortress 2, Thief 2: The Metal Age, Tie Fighter, Tomb Raider 2, Tomb Raider: Underworld, Vampire Masquerade: Redemption, Velvet Assassin, Wing Commander: Privateer, World of Warcraft, X Men Origins: Wolverine, X Wing
Posted By: flotsam
Re: Dark Side list 2009 - 08/02/09 08:31 AM
1 Advent Rising
1 Age of Mythology
1 Aikens Artifact
1 Alone in the Dark 2
2 Alone in the Dark 4: A New Nightmare
6 American Magee’s Alice
2 Anachronox
2 Assassins Creed
1 Atlantis 3
1 Arx Fatalis
3 Baldur’s Gate
4 Baldur’s Gate 2
1 Baldur’s Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
1 Battlefield 2
1 Battlefield: Bad Company
1 Betrayal at Antara
1 Betrayal at Krondor
2 Beyond Divinity
9 Bioshock
4 Bloodrayne
1 Brothers in Arms: Earned in Blood
1 Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30
1 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
1 Chosen: Well of Souls
1 Chronicles of Riddick
1 Civilization IV
3 Clive Barker’s Undying
1 Cold Fear
1 Condemned: Criminal Origins
1 Conkers Live and Reloaded
2 Crysis
1 Curse of Isis
2 Dark Eye: Drakensang
2 Dark Messiah of Might and Magic
1 Darkened Skye
1 Dead Space
4 Deus Ex
1 Diablo
3 Diablo 2
1 Disciples 2: Dark Prophecy
9 Divine Divinity
2 Doom 3
1 Dragon Riders: Chronicles of Pern
4 Drakan: Order of the Flame
1 Dungeon Keeper
2 Dungeon Siege
4 Dungeon Seige 2
2 Elder Scrolls 3: Blood Moon
15 Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind
3 Elder Scrolls 3: Tribunal
14 Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion
4 Fable: The Lost Chapters
3 Fallout
2 Fallout 2
6 Fallout 3
1 Far Cry 2
5 F.E.A.R.
2 F.E.A.R: Perseus Mandate
1 F.E.A.R. 2: Project Origin
1 Forza Motorsport 2
1 Gears of War 2
1 Ghost Master
1 Godfather 2
1 God of War 2
1 God of War: Chains of Olympus
6 Gothic
5 Gothic 2
2 Gothic 2: Night of the Raven
2 Gothic 3
1 Grandia
1 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
1 Gun
1 Gunman Chronicles
1 Half Life
3 Half Life 2
3 Halo: Combat Evolved
1 Halo 2
1 Halo 3
1 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
1 Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
1 Hellgate London
1 Heroes of Might and Magic 2
2 Heroes of Might and Magic 3
1 Heroes of Might and Magic 4
2 Heroes of Might and Magic 5
2 Heretic Kingdoms: The Inquisition/Kult: Heretic Kingdoms
1 Heretic 2
1 Hexen 2
2 Ico
1 Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine
2 Indigo Prophecy/Fahrenheit
1 Icewind Dale
2 Jade Empire
1 King Kong
1 Lands of Lore 3
1 Left for Dead
1 Legendary
1 Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver
1 Loki: Heroes of Mythology
1 Lost Odyssey
2 Mafia
1 Marathon 2: Durandal
1 Marvel Ultimate Alliance
4 Mass Effect
2 Max Payne
1 Mechwarrier 3
1 Medal of Honour: Allied Assault
1 Medal of Honour: Airborne
1 Metroid Prime
5 Might and Magic 6: The Mandate of Heaven
3 Might and Magic 7: For Blood and Honour
1 Might and Magic 8: Day of the Destroyer
1 Might and Magic 9
5 Neverwinter Nights
2 Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark
1 Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer
4 No One Lives Forever
1 No One Lives Forever 2
1 Okami
3 Outcast
1 Perfect Dark
7 Planescape Torment
1 Plants vs Zombies
1 Pool of Radiance
3 Portal
2 Prey
1 Prince of Persia: Sands of Time
1 Prince of Persia: Warrior Within
1 Psychonauts
1 Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords
Quest for Glory 1: So You Want to Be a Hero
2 Quest for Glory 4: Shadows of Darkness
1 Quest for Glory 5: Dragon Fire
1 Rainbow 6: Vegas
1 Ratatouille
2 Realms of the Haunting
1 Resident Evil
2 Resident Evil 4
1 Resistance 2
1 Return to Krondor
1 Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends
1 Rock Band 2
3 Sacred/Sacred Plus
1 Sacred: Underworld
2 Sacred 2: Fallen Angel
1 Saints Row 2
1 Shadowman
2 Silent Hill 2: Restless Dreams
1 Silent Hill 3
1 Silent Hill: Origins
1 Sniper Elite
1 Space Quest
1 Splinter Cell: Essentials
4 S.T.A.L.K.E.R: Shadow of Chernobyl
6 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
3 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2: Sith Lords
1 Star Wars: Republic Commando
1 Suikoden
1 SWAT 4: The Stetchkov Syndicate
2 System Shock 2
1 Team Fortress 2
3 Thief: The Dark Project/Thief Gold
1 Thief 2: The Metal Age
2 Thief 3: Deadly Shadows
1 Tie Fighter
2 Titan Quest
2 Titan Quest: Immortal Throne
2 Tomb Raider
1 Tomb Raider 2
2 Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation
1 Tomb Raider: Underworld
2 Two Worlds
2 Uncharted: Drakes Fortune
1 Vampire Masquerade: Redemption
10 Vampire Masquerade: Bloodlines
1 Velvet Assassin
2 Wheel of Time
1 Wing Commander: Privateer
1 World of Warcraft
20 Witcher, The
1 X Men Origins: Wolverine
1 X Wing
4 Zanzarah
Posted By: hagatha
Re: Dark Side list 2009 - 08/04/09 03:52 AM
Oh, phooey, I missed the list this year. No matter, my picks would have been pretty much the same as they are every year. I don't get out much.
Great job. I'm glad to see Deus Ex still making the cut, even without me. Witcher sure cleaned up.