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Frogwares Games Important Notice

Posted By: BrownEyedTigre

Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/26/19 02:37 PM

Deja Vu of so many developers. How sad.

Link to Official Website,

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Official statement on removal of our games from storefronts by Focus Home Interactive
Fate of Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments still unsure

Hello,

This letter is addressed to everyone who is interested in the video game industry, and wants to take a look at what’s happening behind the curtain.

We are Frogwares, the developer of the Sherlock Holmes video games, and The Sinking City. We make detective games because it’s our passion, and because it allows us to live off it.

But today, that is under threat. Some of our games are being removed from Sony’s and Microsoft’s storefronts, and even maybe from Steam. This list includes our titles like Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments, The Testament of Sherlock Holmes, Sherlock Holmes Vs. Jack The Ripper and Magrunner: Dark Pulse (see full list below).

Why? Because Focus Home Interactive, the licensee (or “publisher”) that was in charge of commercializing these games on these platforms, refuses to transfer the title IDs to us, the creators and IP owners of those titles, even though our Publishing and Distribution Agreement has expired.

Because, according to their official statement, sent to us only last week, “Focus has put in place a policy in accordance with which they will not transfer any title – the content ID or title ID – belonging to any developer which has removed all of their games from the Focus catalog”.

A policy that is not in any of our previous or existing contracts with Focus and that has never been applied to us in the past.

Because of that policy, our games will be taken down from all storefronts.

As it stands right now, the only game left is Sherlock Holmes Crimes & Punishment which only has until September 29th. It is possible that it will be taken down at this date or earlier if nothing is done. The players will no longer be able to buy and play the game. We will also lose all our wishlists and every other bit of information on those store pages. As the creators and IP owners of all those games, we have no control and no say in this. The decision of Focus Home left us voiceless.

We are in the process of setting up new store profiles, and we are contacting console stores and hope to try and rectify the situation. However, we are unable to confirm if this can be done and already know that it will be impossible for certain games on previous gen, and very costly for others as we will have to update the SDK and that takes months. We are certainly not going to give up, and will pursue this issue through the appropriate channels.

We have always been an independent studio. We worked with many licensees on the grounds of mutual interests and benefits, but it’s the first time in 20 years we have encountered such a situation. We are losing all revenue attached to these games, for some – for an unknown period of time and for other games, forever. This new policy from Focus Home towards former contracted developers will land a serious blow to our studio, threatening our future games and the people who develop them.

Right now, we are in a tough situation. We are preparing ourselves for a significant loss. To those parties that can help us and have influence over the situation – feel free to contact us.

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Full list:

On Steam, PS4, Xbox One, PS3 and Xbox 360: Sherlock Holmes Crimes & Punishments availability ends on September 29th.

Already taken down on PS3: The Testament of Sherlock Holmes, Magrunner: Dark Pulse

Already taken down on Xbox 360: Sherlock Holmes versus Jack The Ripper, The Testament Of Sherlock Holmes, Magrunner: Dark Pulse

On Steam, The Testament of Sherlock Holmes, Sherlock Holmes Vs. Jack The Ripper and Magrunner: Dark Pulse are published by Frogwares and not by Focus Home Interactive.

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The Sinking City, Sergey Oganesyan published on September 26, 2019
Posted By: Marian

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/26/19 03:02 PM

"Because, according to their official statement, sent to us only last week, “Focus has put in place a policy in accordance with which they will not transfer any title – the content ID or title ID – belonging to any developer which has removed all of their games from the Focus catalog.

A policy that is not in any of our previous or existing contracts with Focus and that has never been applied to us in the past."

I don't understand how Focus can even do this, being as it was not in any previous or existing contract. Perhaps someone can enlighten me on this point. It sounds very arbitrary.
Posted By: Winfrey

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/26/19 03:40 PM

Does this mean if we have games that are already in our library won't run any longer?
Posted By: Adam Beals

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/26/19 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Winfrey
Does this mean if we have games that are already in our library won't run any longer?


I hope not! I love the Sherlock game series!
Posted By: Marian

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/26/19 04:13 PM

I purchased all of the Sherlock games that I have from GOG.
Posted By: oldbroad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/26/19 04:57 PM

Most of the games I have on both Steam and GOG except 2 of them and one that I have on GOG and Big Fish (not Steam). I have Crimes & Punishments on disc but it requires Steam. I don't have that on GOG or The Devil's Daughter which I did break down and buy on Steam.

I am also curious about being able to play the games now.

I love all things Jack the Ripper but for some reason I never played this game. It's mostly the only one I care about.

Oh, and thanks Ana!
Posted By: Draclvr

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/26/19 05:07 PM

I don't have any of these games, but I would be more concerned with the precedent Focus is setting if they can get by with this. I agree with Marian... this seems quite arbitrary.
Posted By: oldbroad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/26/19 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Draclvr
I don't have any of these games, but I would be more concerned with the precedent Focus is setting if they can get by with this. I agree with Marian... this seems quite arbitrary.


I'm sure you are right but since I won't pretend I understand it or the implications, I'm just worrying about the games I paid for. Call me selfish. Many others have wink
Posted By: Draclvr

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/26/19 06:24 PM

Oh, no! I'm sorry if I gave that impression! If I had any of the games, I would be just as concerned as you are about them.
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/26/19 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by oldbroad
Most of the games I have on both Steam and GOG except 2 of them and one that I have on GOG and Big Fish (not Steam). I have Crimes & Punishments on disc but it requires Steam. I don't have that on GOG or The Devil's Daughter which I did break down and buy on Steam.

I am also curious about being able to play the games now.

The Windows versions of the above listed games are published by Frogwares, not FOCUS.
So these games are not affected by the problems described in this announcement.
Originally Posted by Frogwares
On Steam, The Testament of Sherlock Holmes, Sherlock Holmes Vs. Jack The Ripper and Magrunner: Dark Pulse are published by Frogwares and not by Focus Home Interactive.

But even with Crimes & Punishments, as long as you already have the game in your Steam library, chances are it won't affect your ability to play it, even if Steam no longer lists it for sale. That's how it's been with other games formerly sold at Steam but no longer sold there.

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I'm confused by this statement, and wonder if it's simply poorly written as opposed to being a threat to steal developer IP's.
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Because, according to their official statement, sent to us only last week, “Focus has put in place a policy in accordance with which they will not transfer any title – the content ID or title ID – belonging to any developer which has removed all of their games from the Focus catalog”.

Is that simply saying they won't sell games to gamers that aren't in their catalog any more?
Or is it saying they won't revert the IP to the developer that created the IP after the contract has expired?
Because those two things aren't the same at all.
Posted By: oldbroad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/26/19 07:44 PM

I think it sounds like that second thing Jenny: " Or is it saying they won't revert the IP to the developer that created the IP after the contract has expired?"

And even I can see how THAT doesn't seem right.
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/26/19 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by oldbroad
I think it sounds like that second thing Jenny: " Or is it saying they won't revert the IP to the developer that created the IP after the contract has expired?"

Yes, I see Jim Sterling has reported on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU4EzXbjiio
Posted By: GuybrushThreepwood

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/26/19 10:39 PM

Sound like a lawsuit needs to be filed.
Posted By: Mad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/27/19 06:08 PM

What Bad News frown

[I stopped buying their Sherlock games once they only became available via Steam. So I only have disk versions.]
Posted By: Mikael

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/28/19 02:06 AM

I'm a lawyer, but I still don't understand Focus Home's line of reasoning.
Posted By: Adam Beals

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/29/19 08:46 AM

Anyone hear if 'A Plague Tale: Innocence' is one if the games slated for removal? I know it's not a Frogwares title. It is however a Focus product. It's been on my gaming bucket list and was waiting till it went on sale. Now I may not get to play it if goes. This thing with Focus is sad. Hopefully Frogwares can find a way through this.
Posted By: BrownEyedTigre

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/29/19 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Adam Beals
Anyone hear if 'A Plague Tale: Innocence' is one if the games slated for removal? I know it's not a Frogwares title. It is however a Focus product. It's been on my gaming bucket list and was waiting till it went on sale. Now I may not get to play it if goes. This thing with Focus is sad. Hopefully Frogwares can find a way through this.


This is because Frogwares contract was ending on these dates. A Plague Tale of Innocence is not even a year old so I'm sure their contract gives Focus a longer time frame of rights to the game, I wouldn't worry about it. However, I wouldn't trust Focus with any release if this is how they do business!
Posted By: Beerhead

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 09/30/19 10:22 PM

Hi,I couldn't download Crimes and punishments from steam,although I've played it before (graphic card issue) Then I downloaded Testament Of Sherlock Holmes from GOG and it's fine,I can play it.Just thought i would let you know
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/01/19 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by Beerhead
Hi,I couldn't download Crimes and Punishments from Steam, although I've played it before (graphic card issue)

It would be interesting to know if anyone else who already bought Crimes & Punishments is not able to download and play it.
The takedown date was September 29 and Crimes & Punishments is still listed for sale on Steam.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/241260/Sherlock_Holmes_Crimes_and_Punishments/

If the game doesn't work any more, does that mean Steam will refund peoples' money?

Originally Posted by Beerhead
Then I downloaded Testament Of Sherlock Holmes from GOG and it's fine, I can play it.

The PC version of Testament wasn't one of the games affected.
Now if you had Testament on PS3 or XBox 360, it would be interesting to know if it still worked.
Posted By: Timotek

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/01/19 01:05 AM

I got Sherlock Holmes vs Jack the Ripper from the Adventure Shop which folded a few years ago. It is tarnished by Tages copy protection so it can no longer be set up and run. Twenty bucks down the toilet. On a similar note, the games I have on Direct2Drive have similar problems with copy protection. D2D said a few months ago that they were working on it but there has been no progress. When TellTale sadly went under, at least they maintained their customers' games after removing the verification nonsense.
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/02/19 05:19 PM

It looks like the Steam page for Crimes & Punishments now lists Frogwares as the publisher instead of FOCUS. Hopefully this means Frogwares now has full control of ALL their PC games that used to have FOCUS as publisher -- and that Crimes & Punishments will eventually appear at GOG like their other games do.
Posted By: BrownEyedTigre

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/03/19 03:00 AM

That would be awesome Jenny! Hoping we hear something official soon!
Posted By: Mad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/03/19 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Jenny100
It looks like the Steam page for Crimes & Punishments now lists Frogwares as the publisher instead of FOCUS. Hopefully this means Frogwares now has full control of ALL their PC games that used to have FOCUS as publisher -- and that Crimes & Punishments will eventually appear at GOG like their other games do.


I hope GOG does get the game.
Since I removed Steam from my computer I obviously lost the very few games I had with them and Crimes & Punishments was one of them yes
Posted By: judith

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/03/19 09:32 PM

I already had Crimes & Punishment downloaded on my computer. I just clicked on the game icon & there was no problem. So hopefully I won't have to worry about losing it in the future.
Posted By: Marian

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/04/19 01:15 PM

Well, this is timely.

Crimes and Punishments has shown up on GOG today along with a Frogwares special sale.

In addition to Crimes and Punishments, their casual games Sherlock Holmes and the Hound of the Baskervilles and Dracula: Love Kills have been added to the GOG catalogue, as well as the full-on adventure game Dracula: Origin.

If you buy Crimes and Punishments in the next week, you get Hound of the Baskervilles thrown in for free.
Posted By: Draclvr

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/04/19 01:54 PM

Interesting...
Posted By: Mad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/04/19 03:55 PM

Thanks very much for that info, Marian bravo

Been to GOG and bought it - and also got my free copy of The Hound of the Baskervilles.

And I will burn both to disk as soon as I get time grin

[ I do already have the Baskerville game but having a disk copy is always best - for me, anyway smile ]
Posted By: Marian

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/04/19 04:06 PM

I thought you would be pleased by this news, Mad. smile
Posted By: oldbroad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/04/19 05:13 PM

Thanks for the info Marian. If my Crimes & Punishments turns out not to work, I guess I'll have to repurchase it some day. I do have the game installed but never played it and haven't tried it yet to see if it works. (Focus Disc that required Steam.)
Posted By: Marian

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/04/19 05:39 PM

There is a message from Frogwares on Steam which reads as follows:

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As some of you may be aware, last week we’ve mentioned that some of our games might no longer be available on certain platforms and their stores. We’ve made the announcement on our social media channels, and the news spread like wildfire. Today, we can confirm that we lost 9 store listings out of possible 10. The one listing that was saved was Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments on Steam.

What does this mean? It means that all proceeds from the sale of Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments goes to us, the developer. You can say that the game now belongs to us fully.

The one thing that we have to say about last week’s announcement is this. We will be forever grateful for the sheer-amount of public and industry-wide support that we received. We truly appreciate everyone who added their voice to the issue. We were blown-away. To say “thank you” we put together a digital booklet of behind the scenes stories and anecdotes from our Sherlock Holmes games. We called it Sherlock Holmes: Memories, Stories, Thoughts. This booklet is available to download as a Free DLC. It’s a small token of our huge appreciation for the support we received.

The patch is live now and DLC will be available at 4 PM PDT.


This booklet will also be obtainable as a download from GOG. Scroll down to the bottom of the main page and click on the option that says redeem code. Type SWEETTHANKS into the box for the code and you will be able to reserve a copy.
Posted By: BrownEyedTigre

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/05/19 03:43 AM

That's partial good news! THanks, Marian!
Posted By: Uncle Reg

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/05/19 05:06 AM


Thanks, Marian. I had given up hope of ever seeing Crimes & Punishments on GOG. It's been out for 5 years and it's been 3 1/2 years since all of those previous ones made it to GOG. It's downloading now. I bought Dracula Origin also, even though my disc version still works OK. I just replayed it last month.
Posted By: BrownEyedTigre

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/05/19 01:28 PM

Here is a statement from Wael himself last night:

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So today we announced that 9 out of our 10 games were taken down from Xbox and Playstation following the “policy” of the licensee we entrusted years ago with those titles.
Beyond the obvious sadness that it caused, there was one reason to rejoice: the last game, Sherlock Holmes : Crimes and Punishments, also my most personal title, was not taken down from Steam.
It was not taken down not because we thought fiercely (we didn’t), it was also not because destructive decisions were seen as bad by their petty makers.

The game was not taken down because people reacted.

I don’t think people (I am not a fan of this word for all its ambiguities) reacted because our games are loved beyond measure or our team is filled with glamorous smooth talkers, i believe people reacted because they saw people like them unfairly attacked and threatened.
It was the same reaction inside the studio. It was the same reaction outside the studio.

Maybe I see pink flying cows, but i saw last week a political moment, political in the way that people(again!) react and modify the turn of the tide when we unite.

This week taught me that, not only people from all over the world supported us, they also changed our fate because of what we share.

We won’t travel in first class to the next GDC. We will probably have a normal studio Christmas party without the fountain of champagne and the whole stuffed sturgeon.

But we’ll be together, drunk and naked in the snow as the tradition requires, talking about imaginary characters and game mechanics that don’t exist yet.
Posted By: Mad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/05/19 02:36 PM

"But we’ll be together, drunk and naked in the snow as the tradition requires, talking about imaginary characters and game mechanics that don’t exist yet."

Can't beat that for a "last line" rotfl
Posted By: Draclvr

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/05/19 02:53 PM

I loved that too, Mad!
Posted By: Marian

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/05/19 03:48 PM

Good news, Uncle Reg! thumbsup I've never played Crimes and Punishments or Dracula: Origin and plan to do that pretty soon; it's so nice to see them on GOG.

I love Wael's statement. smile
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 04:18 PM


I kind of want to play Dracula Origin first, since I played the two casuals recently.
I have the disc version of Dracula Origin, but the DRM on it has always caused problems with my computers' DVD drives.
Posted By: Mad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 04:57 PM

I now have 3 versions of the Baskerville game :

The one I originally bought from Frogwares, years ago.

One that appeared suddenly and without notice in my Big Fish library.

And the one I was just given for free by GOG this week.

So I definitely HAVE the game lol

[Which is good because I think it's one of the best of its genre.]
Posted By: oldbroad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 05:00 PM

I have the Baskervilles game on a disc but still have not played it.
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Mad
I now have 3 versions of the Baskerville game :

The one I originally bought from Frogwares, years ago.

One that appeared suddenly and without notice in my Big Fish library.

I'm amazed that you have games spontaneously appear without notice in your Big Fish library.
Especially when they're good games.

But I wonder if the game you bought from Frogwares isn't a Big Fish version.
I've had disc versions of games that are published by Big Fish, which don't need online activation but which add themselves to the Big Fish Game Manager.

Originally Posted by Mad
[Which is good because I think it's one of the best of its genre.]

Yes, I also think it's one of the best.
So is their Dracula casual game.
Posted By: oldbroad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 05:49 PM

I just played Dracula: Love Kills last year and found myself not liking it very much. I was quite disappointed.
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by oldbroad
I just played Dracula: Love Kills last year and found myself not liking it very much. I was quite disappointed.

It was camp and silly, not trying to be a serious game at all.
So I can understand why some people might not like it, especially after playing Dracula Origin and expecting Dracula Love to be more of a successor.
It wasn't what I was expecting either, but I still enjoyed it.
Posted By: oldbroad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 06:19 PM

I don't remember what I was disappointed with but I did know that it was a casual game so I wasn't expecting serious. I don't know. Someday maybe I'll replay it but not for a good while.
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by oldbroad
I don't remember what I was disappointed with but I did know that it was a casual game so I wasn't expecting serious.

Being a casual game doesn't automatically change the tone to make a game camp and silly. The Drawn games, for example, explore serious subjects and aren't meant to be silly.
Posted By: Mad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Jenny100
Originally Posted by Mad
I now have 3 versions of the Baskerville game :

The one I originally bought from Frogwares, years ago.

One that appeared suddenly and without notice in my Big Fish library.

I'm amazed that you have games spontaneously appear without notice in your Big Fish library.
Especially when they're good games.

But I wonder if the game you bought from Frogwares isn't a Big Fish version.
I've had disc versions of games that are published by Big Fish, which don't need online activation but which add themselves to the Big Fish Game Manager.

Originally Posted by Mad
[Which is good because I think it's one of the best of its genre.]

Yes, I also think it's one of the best.
So is their Dracula casual game.


The same has happened with a couple of other games, too. Emerald City Confidential being one I can think of ....
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 07:17 PM

Well, Emerald City Confidential is also a Big Fish game.
I think some casual games that are sold on CD use a Big Fish installer.
Posted By: Marian

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 07:51 PM

Emerald City was removed from the Big Fish catalog quite a few years ago, but of course it would still be in your Purchase History if you bought it prior to that.
Posted By: oldbroad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 08:34 PM

Emerald City Confidential is a Big Fish Game?

According to Google:

Emerald City Confidential is a 2009 computer adventure game conceived by Dave Gilbert, developed by Wadjet Eye Games and published through PlayFirst. It follows the protagonist Petra, Emerald City's only private eye, as she is approached by a strange woman named Dee Gale. Wikipedia

I think I do have other Play First games that do that with the BF manager though. I have the game from Steam and never even saw it on Big Fish or disc.

But, yes, a lot of my casual disc games do show up in my Big Fish manager including Hound of the Baskervilles. Sometimes I find this annoying that my disc games have to open up the BF manager!
Posted By: Marian

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 08:40 PM

My understanding when I read Jenny's words was that she was saying Big Fish carried it, not that they were the developer (which of course they are not).
Posted By: oldbroad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 08:49 PM

Ah! Gotcha! I read it different obviously!
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by oldbroad
Emerald City Confidential is a Big Fish Game?

Big Fish is where I bought Emerald City Confidential, back in March 2009, the year of its release.
So at least at one point, it was a Big Fish game -- published by Big Fish.

I don't disagree that it was developed by Dave Gilbert / Wadjet Eye.

Originally Posted by oldbroad
I think I do have other Play First games that do that with the BF manager though. I have the game from Steam and never even saw it on Big Fish or disc.

I didn't know it had been removed from Big Fish, but then I have a lot of games in my purchase history that apparently aren't sold by them anymore.

Originally Posted by oldbroad
But, yes, a lot of my casual disc games do show up in my Big Fish manager including Hound of the Baskervilles. Sometimes I find this annoying that my disc games have to open up the BF manager!

Yes it is annoying to have that Game Manager pop up when I start a game, which is why I make my own shortcut directly to the game .exe instead of using the one that is created by the game installer.
Posted By: Marian

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 09:04 PM

My understanding is that Emerald City was published by PlayFirst, who ended up removing all their games from Big Fish including the popular Diner Dash series among others. The list was quite long. I think this happened around 2012 (?) or thereabouts when PlayFirst stopped making games for the PC. I remember going through the list and thinking that I had a lot of these games and was glad that they were already in my Purchase History. This is also why the Dream Chronicles series was pulled.
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Marian
My understanding is that Emerald City was published by PlayFirst, who ended up removing all their games from Big Fish including the popular Diner Dash series among others. The list was quite long. I think this happened around 2012 (?) or thereabouts when PlayFirst stopped making games for the PC. I remember going through the list and thinking that I had a lot of these games and was glad that they were already in my Purchase History. This is also why the Dream Chronicles series was pulled.

That probably explains why Emerald City Confidential isn't at Big Fish anymore.

There are Frogwares games at Big Fish up through Sherlock Holmes vs Jack the Ripper.
GOG doesn't have Mystery of the Mummy or some casuals Frogwares made, like Sherlock Holmes: Mystery of the Persian Carpet, Department 42, Secret Mission: The Forgotten Island, and Journey: The Heart of Gaia.
Posted By: oldbroad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 09:22 PM

I wasn't trying to challenge you Jenny. I was just surprised. Truthfully, I just think Dave Gilbert when I hear Emerald City Confidential and that's why I Googled it.

"Yes it is annoying to have that Game Manager pop up when I start a game, which is why I make my own shortcut directly to the game .exe instead of using the one that is created by the game installer."

I just feel if I bought the game on disc it shouldn't create or open a BF manager. I recently installed MCF Madame Fate on my XP which did not have Big Fish on it. The disc still had to create a manager on the desktop and opens when I shut the game down. Or I should say, it tries to open but there is no internet connection.
Posted By: Marian

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 09:25 PM

Another Frogwares casual on Big Fish is Secret Missions: Mata Hari and the Kaiser's Submarines. I was actually looking at this today because I was researching all of the casual games that Frogwares has released. Kaiser's Submarines is the only one I found on Big Fish that you didn't mention, Jenny.
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/06/19 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by oldbroad
I just feel if I bought the game on disc it shouldn't create or open a BF manager. I recently installed MCF Madame Fate on my XP which did not have Big Fish on it. The disc still had to create a manager on the desktop and opens when I shut the game down. Or I should say, it tries to open but there is no internet connection.

I've had something similar happen with a casual where I bought the disc.
I think it was one of the MCF games, but I can't remember for sure.

Anyway, if you can create a shortcut to the game .exe, you may not get that Game Manager popping up when you close the game.

Marian,
I didn't see that one because I was looking on the wrong page.
Big Fish has adventures listed at
https://www.bigfishgames.com/download-games/genres/21/adventure.html
and HOG's listed at
https://www.bigfishgames.com/download-games/genres/15/hidden-object.html
Posted By: Mad

Re: Frogwares Games Important Notice - 10/07/19 02:18 AM

The games I have that later "appeared" in my Big Fish library certainly weren't available from Big Fish at the time I bought them.

It was quite a shock when they suddenly did appear there shocked
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