Have You Techies Seen This ??

THIS ....

Interesting Mad. I never had Windows 95. So is this like a virtual machine kind of thing then?

I don't know, oldbroad. Not being a techie myself

[I did have Win95 (when it came out) but all the games I liked and used to play on it, I can still play on my Win98SE machine. So it won't be anything I'll be going for myself.]

Why do you keep taking us backwards?

Who, me ??

[ Although I do very much like old stuff, I was just passing on the link ]

Thanks for the link, Mad. I hadn't heard of this one, so I appreciate knowing about it.

Geo, most of my favorite games are Windows 95/98 games, so things like this are of great interest to me.

I wish things would go backwards a little. All this new stuff is too much for me!!

thanks Mad.. I have a windows 95 but I haven't used it in years.... nice to have for very old games.

At the risk of sounding like an old lady talking about the good old days, I think that we had more good adventure games released in the 1990s than we have had since. New tech doesn't bother me, but I don't like the way everything now seems to be kind of designed around tablets. But that's just the old fuddy-duddy talking, I know.

Well fuddy-duddy-buddy , I don't know about those old games because I started playing late, but a lot of the new tech is just too much for me, and I don't care who thinks I sound like an old lady!!

Who knows. Maybe it will actually be usable some day.
But it has a long way to go.
Right now there are better solutions for running old games on newer systems.
Right now this one only runs 4 games, all of which are DOS games and run in DOSBox anyway.

Getting Windows 95/98 games to run -- that's the real challenge.

There have been a lot of attempts to get older Windows 95/98 games running on newer systems. No one thing seems to work for all games or on all newish computers. Besides Virtual PC and similar programs, and tweaked versions of the famous DOSBox that can run some Windows 95 games, there are programs like 86box and PCem, which are more game-focussed than Virtual PC/VMware/VirtualBox and can emulate 3dfx video cards, not just 2D cards like the S3 Trio.

Then there are "wrappers" like DxWnd, dgVoodoo, nGlide, or WINE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)

This "Let's Run" by YouTube uploader IkiFoo shows how he uses DxWnd to run Black Dahlia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Hi5UMhkuQ
It's not 100%, but he does manage to get it playable.
I wish there were more how-to's like that on YouTube -- especially for difficult to run games.
Originally DxWnd was intended only to run games windowed, but now it can do a lot more.

Mac versions of games are often using a "wrapper." GOG versions of older Windows games sometimes also use wrappers. Here's a quote by devilhunter from www.portingteam.com/tutorials/article/11-using-pre-made-game-wrappers/


Way back when I had an iMac as my main computer (over 10 years ago now), I remember sometimes getting crashes with Big Fish games, and the message would be something about the wrapper. So wrappers have been around a long time, and in a good enough state that they could be used in commercial software.

You don't need for something to look like a Windows 95 desktop to get a game running like it's on Windows 95. Wrappers can be a lot smaller than something like a Virtual machine, which requires a drive image.

Currently wrappers can do things that virtual machines can't -- mainly because Virtual Machine software was originally developed by manufacturers who were targeting business and not gamers.

If I weren't so lazy I'd be trying out wrappers myself. I do use them in my GOG games that are preconfigured to use them, but tweaking them myself for a specific game isn't something I've tried.

Well I still have my Sony computer with Windows 95/98 so I can still play my old games! These wrappers sound interesting.

There are a couple of projects that I find more intriguing. Win3mu and WineVDM. I have used the latter to play Sim Tower on my Win7 x64.

https://www.vogons.org/download/file.php?id=49864&mode=view

Windows 3? Never heard of it!

Windows 3

There was a Windows 2.1 also.

I had a Windows 3.1 machine running in our inspection lab until a few months ago. Not bad...20+ years! I upgraded it to Windows 98

I vaguely remember Win 3.1 and the playing of games but my clearest memories are of playing games in DOS (and DOS EMS) and, much later on, the "astounding" Win 95 !!!! 😎😎

I never used DOS. I only know computers since Windows 98.

The first game I ever played on Windows 95 was Beavis and Butthead's Virtual Stupidity. It was a surprisingly good adventure game.

You guys are making me feel nostalgic. Used to run most of those on my old systems. Still have the completed mainboard around from my very first build attempt, complete with a blistering 200 MHz MMX CPU. It had the dinkiest, little cooling fan.

Yeah, me too - I've still got my old PS/2 Model 40 running Windows 3.1... and then... my Dell GX1 with Windows 9x. The old games run great on those old machines, especially if you attach a high dot pitch monitor for the really old games.

We've got a move coming up in several months, so I've packed up all of my games with boxes and manuals - so far I'm pushing over 8+ large packing boxes. My wife say's I have a problem

The best kind of problem to have, InlandAZ!

"We've got a move coming up in several months, so I've packed up all of my games with boxes and manuals - so far I'm pushing over 8+ large packing boxes. My wife say's I have a problem"

Good Luck with the move, when it comes, InlandAZ. And I hope "your problem" is given the full respect it deserves !!

It's been a great hobby - but, boy I sure do have a lot of games to store We're having a new home built, and they take many months to complete. The new home is about 25 or so miles south of us so its not too far for transporting everything.

My youngest daughter had a stroke a few months back, so the wife said we're moving. She's recovered, but still has issues - so being close will be a good thing. We'll be a couple blocks away if she needs us.



Yes it is, and you meet the nicest people to boot

My very best wishes to you and to your family, InlandAZ, and I hope that the move goes smoothly. And it will be a good thing for sure to be closer to your daughter. Let us know how it goes.

I'm sure being closer will make BOTH your daughter and you and your wife feel better! Very exciting to have a new house built... hope you will have someplace to unpack your "problem" and start using them!

I'm very sorry to hear about your Daughter, InlandAZ and hope she is making a good recovery

Moving closer to her, though, will surely be of benefit to all of you

I'm sorry for the reason for your move, Inland.
I hope the move itself goes well.

Last time I moved, I had two large boxes of boxed games.
Large like 3 feet on a side.
I've gotten a few more boxed games since then, mostly old games from eBay.
I don't collect like I used to though.
Not being able to buy physical copies takes a lot of the fun out of buying new games, and I have most of the old ones I want (that are affordable).

A Steam code on a DVD packaged in a box is NOT a physical copy of a game.