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#1135740 - 12/19/17 04:10 PM Windows 10 still free.....
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Reading an article in Ask Leo it talked about still being able to get windows 10:



Windows 10 is still technically available for free for those using assistive technologies.

Microsoft doesn’t intend this as a way for folks who don’t use assistive technologies to upgrade, but they never ask for any proof that you do. Nor do they really define exactly what it means to use assistive technologies. Some take it to mean things as simple as increasing the screen magnification or having run the magnifier tool.

As with the original free offer, this is only available as an upgrade to an existing installation of Windows 7 or Windows 8, and will get you the same edition, Home or Pro, as you already have. This will not work for a new installation. Of course, if you have a legitimate copy of Windows 7 or 8, you could install it onto a new machine first and then upgrade that to Windows 10 for free.

This free offer ends on December 31, 2017.

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#1135747 - 12/19/17 05:49 PM Re: Windows 10 still free..... [Re: Winfrey]
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It's sort of getting Windows 10 free by cheating. But if Microsoft isn't putting a stop to it, then why not...
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#1136274 - 12/24/17 09:35 AM Re: Windows 10 still free..... [Re: Draclvr]
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
It's sort of getting Windows 10 free by cheating. But if Microsoft isn't putting a stop to it, then why not...




True enough . The fact that Microsoft hasn't been vigilant in their pursuit of said "cheating" , could very well mean that Microsoft is desperate enough to move users to Windows 10 , that they don't really care , at least they don't , or didn't until now . Depending on the information source , Windows 10 (even Microsoft have admitted as much) has not been adopted as fast as Microsoft has wished or projected . Besides the well documented telemetry & keylogging issues , most of which can be disabled , but not totally erased , not having total control over system updates , at least in my case , is a giant no-no . I've used Windows 10 , I like it , but , the lack of system update control keeps me from staying with Windows 10.

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#1136280 - 12/24/17 10:12 AM Re: Windows 10 still free..... [Re: Winfrey]
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You do know you can disable the automatic downloads for windows 10 don't you??

stop automatic downloads in winows 10


Edited by Winfrey (12/24/17 10:13 AM)
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#1136282 - 12/24/17 10:35 AM Re: Windows 10 still free..... [Re: Winfrey]
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Originally Posted By: Winfrey
You do know you can disable the automatic downloads for windows 10 don't you??

stop automatic downloads in winows 10



Appreciate the information , however , that article is now 2 years old , & doesn't really apply , at least to me . I'm hardwired to my internet , & that option , when I had Win 10 , wasn't available .

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#1136284 - 12/24/17 10:53 AM Re: Windows 10 still free..... [Re: Winfrey]
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Get Windows 10 Pro and you have complete control over automatic updates. They don't make it easy to do it, but you can do it with Win+R. I keep mine on as I don't feel like wading through each update or trying to remember to do updates after they are deemed OK.
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#1136288 - 12/24/17 10:55 AM Re: Windows 10 still free..... [Re: Winfrey]
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That link had many ways to stop it.. but if you don't have windows anymore it doesn't matter.. but for those interested: another way to stop updates
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#1136289 - 12/24/17 10:58 AM Re: Windows 10 still free..... [Re: Winfrey]
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Thanks's Winfrey - I was just looking for a link with the Group Policy editing option! But remember, you need to have Pro or above for this to work.
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#1136300 - 12/24/17 11:37 AM Re: Windows 10 still free..... [Re: Winfrey]
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Even if you have Windows 10 Pro, Education, or Enterprise with the Group Policy setting, changes to update settings aren't guaranteed to stick. People have found their settings reverting back to the undesirable default after "updates," and sometimes even when there was no detectable "update" (and no recent update listed in update history)

Students have had their computers updating and rebooting in the middle of tests. People have had their computers updating in the middle of presentations. This happens even though updates have supposedly been turned off or scheduled not to run during those hours.

If you absolutely don't want Windows 10 updating, you have to disconnect it from the Internet.
It can't be trusted not to update and reboot during time-critical applications.

And Windows 10 is certainly not the OS of choice if you want to play older games.

You may be forced to use Windows 10 if you buy a new computer, but there's not much reason to sacrifice a functional Windows 7 or 8 installation to get Windows 10.

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#1136329 - 12/24/17 02:06 PM Re: Windows 10 still free..... [Re: Jenny100]
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Originally Posted By: Jenny100
Even if you have Windows 10 Pro, Education, or Enterprise with the Group Policy setting, changes to update settings aren't guaranteed to stick. People have found their settings reverting back to the undesirable default after "updates," and sometimes even when there was no detectable "update" (and no recent update listed in update history)

Students have had their computers updating and rebooting in the middle of tests. People have had their computers updating in the middle of presentations. This happens even though updates have supposedly been turned off or scheduled not to run during those hours.

If you absolutely don't want Windows 10 updating, you have to disconnect it from the Internet.
It can't be trusted not to update and reboot during time-critical applications.

And Windows 10 is certainly not the OS of choice if you want to play older games.

You may be forced to use Windows 10 if you buy a new computer, but there's not much reason to sacrifice a functional Windows 7 or 8 installation to get Windows 10.


This ^^ . The only version of Win 10 that grants total control over system updates , is the Enterprise version . Using the group policy editor in Pro does help to an extent , but it's more akin to putting a band-aid on an open wound. When I had Win 10 , I had it set to "notify for download , notify for install" , & to defer updates , until they were ready "current branch for business" . In Win 10's defense , it does have some nice things going for it , such as faster startup & DirectX 12 . But compatibility with older games is iffy at best . But then again , you can't keep supporting everything forever .

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#1136336 - 12/24/17 03:32 PM Re: Windows 10 still free..... [Re: Winfrey]
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I agree - the Group Policy fix was a band-aid at best. I certainly don't think we should expect Microsoft to support old games forever either - this is why I have my trusty old XP sitting right to my left!
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#1136425 - 12/25/17 01:27 PM Re: Windows 10 still free..... [Re: Draclvr]
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
I agree - the Group Policy fix was a band-aid at best. I certainly don't think we should expect Microsoft to support old games forever either - this is why I have my trusty old XP sitting right to my left!


I did some digging last night , & found a sealed oem copy of XP home for just $20 . I found several copies of XP Pro for about the same . Wonder how cheap/expensive it would be to put an XP machine together . Anyhow , I do & don't understand why MS chose to remove control over system updates in Win 10 . Most are totally computer illiterate , & wouldn't know what to do with the updates . On the other hand , I do know what to do , & it sort of feels like MS is saying "we know better than you do , what is best for you & your machine" . If MS ever returns total control over system updates to Win 10 , I'd probably go ahead & make the jump , & stay there . I hear that an upgrade to Win 10 is still possible with a valid Win 7 & 8 serial , by entering said serial for Win 10 activation . I further understand this is a rather "unofficial" method that MS never acknowledged , but has accepted .

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#1136426 - 12/25/17 01:44 PM Re: Windows 10 still free..... [Re: Winfrey]
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With the sales going on right now, I'll bet you could put together a low end XP computer for under $200, maybe less.

As I understand it, that is true about using the Windows 7 or 8.1 code. However, I tried it on a Windows 7 computer and after a few days, it started saying it wasn't valid. It's always worth a try...

I do understand WHY they took control of updates away from Windows 10 Home which is what most OEM users have - I wouldn't have it any other way for the people whose computers I work on. It makes my life so much easier. But I don't understand why they would make it so hard to restore control to Pro on up.
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#1136594 - 12/27/17 05:47 PM Re: Windows 10 still free..... [Re: Draclvr]
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
With the sales going on right now, I'll bet you could put together a low end XP computer for under $200, maybe less.

As I understand it, that is true about using the Windows 7 or 8.1 code. However, I tried it on a Windows 7 computer and after a few days, it started saying it wasn't valid. It's always worth a try...

I do understand WHY they took control of updates away from Windows 10 Home which is what most OEM users have - I wouldn't have it any other way for the people whose computers I work on. It makes my life so much easier. But I don't understand why they would make it so hard to restore control to Pro on up.



I think they have taken the position that "we know what's best , even if you know what you're doing" . I scratched my head also , as to why control over system updates was stripped from Pro . Maybe it could be made as an optional update or the like . There is a tool called "windows update show & hide" that can be downloaded from MS . Perhaps that is as close as you can get .

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#1136603 - 12/27/17 08:45 PM Re: Windows 10 still free..... [Re: Winfrey]
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I have always accused Apple of being too bossy and telling people what they wanted and didn't want. But Microsoft has gotten just as bad.
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