Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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I'm surprised nobody else started a thread about the ending of Still Life. I didn't want to post in the other Still Life thread, because I don't want to spoil the end for those who haven't played yet...... So, if you haven't played, read at your own risk!! I really hope that they are somehow able to do a sequel, because there was plenty of open endedness that would make a great continuation!! Sorry about my rambling, I just felt like sharing my opinion and seeing what everybody else's theory is. This was such a great game, beautifully done, and I was just so sad to see it end. Dawn :kiss:
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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04/28/05 12:13 PM
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You pretty much summed up my thoughts EXACTLY lol S P O I L E R S Don't give up on the coachman yet! Remember the end explanation from Gus's notes/journal. Ackerman might have had someone working for him, because - according to the phone call Gus received - the killings continued after Ackerman was in a mental institution. Perhaps he took the coachman to the US with him? As for the modern-day killer, I agree that it's Richard. I actually picked him from the start (mostly because the model for Richard fits the model of the killer almost perfectly--although Miller DOES fit, too). He is an art buff, so he could have learned the whole story about Ackerman long ago and wanted to "complete the work". In a way, Miller would be a cool twist, though, seeing as how he gets sick at every crime scene. Imagine if it turns out to be him and he was acting the whole time! As far as a sequel, I did some searching on this, and here's what I found: Microids DID plan on making a sequel (technically the third in the trilogy, starting with Post Mortem) prior to being bought out by UBISoft. Now that UBISoft controls them, however, from my understanding it isn't Microids's choice to make. The employees certainly WANT to end the story (and supposedly have excessive notes on what is going to happen next), but UBISoft has to approve. I apologize if I have the above information wrong. I REALLY hope they make a sequel, because I don't want this to turn into another Gabriel Knight 3!!!
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Boy am I happy to see someone finally post this thread! Thanks Dawn! I've wanted to since last week, but I was afraid to, due to my very own nature! I would be one of those who had not played and would look anyway, and ruin the ending for myself! Now, I find it very interesting how we all see things differently, and here's my take...which is totally different! Yes, I agree that Richard is the most likely, I mean, where did he suddenly disappear to? He gave that extemely wrong account of Ackermans painting portrayals...gads, after what I saw, how could he possibly interpret it in such a good way??/ Also, when it came to the end, the museum was unlocked, empty, and no sign at all of the boy! Suspicious! But what about Todd Browning? He was suspicious too! He thwarted Victoria in many moves and then after the fight in the archives, he too disappeared!And after obviously trying to keep things classified! Hmmm... The Crowman? Well, I don't think he is the one, he was creepy for sure! I think he may have more knowledge than he let on.... Now here's the kicker for me! Why do you think Vic saw the killers face in Mia's apt? Where did you see that? I saw her getting a hypo plunged into her shoulder, which made her quite loopy, but still somewhat functional. SHe fought, and then fell to the floor, drugged. If she saw anything at all, she saw his back as he slit that poor boys throat. His face indicated that he recognized the killer! Now, if she had seen the killers face...be it Richard, Browning, or otherwise, why doesn't the ending reflect that instead of her saying she has a possible lead and will be going to L.A. (when she's in the hot tub, talking to her friend). If she saw who it was, wouldn't she have said something about it? And that she was now looking for him? I am still in withdrawal from this fabulous game and I sure do welcome any discussions! I keep talking about it at work, but please keep in mind, I'm ranting about how great this game is to people that can barely do email! Do they even know what I'm talking about? Yet these sweet people nod and say "oh...uh huh..."
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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04/29/05 02:21 AM
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^ I'm glad I'm not the only one telling every person I know about it!
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Hey TLC-- My avatar is indeed Spike :kiss: Belive it or not, I only just discovered the wonder that is Buffy The Vampire Slayer a few months ago on DVD, and Spike is my new boyfriend! (at least he would be if we ever met, and um if I weren't married....... I really wanna see how this all ends! Dawn
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Ooo, this just occurred to me! Some more evidence that the coachman is involved in the killings: How did Ackerman know of Gus's relationship with his wife-to-be, Ida? Sure, I suppose you could say that one of his former victims confessed this to him, but I don't think this is very likely, because Ida's associates seemed to not know Gus until he introduced himself. In the scene in which Gus proposes to Ida after she says she's pregnant, who brought her to Gus? The coachman! Perhaps she told him in her excitement, and then he relayed it to Ackerman? I'm not sure if this makes sense, I just thought of it now! But it's something to think about.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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04/30/05 10:14 AM
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Really glad i found this site and this topic, hope i get some replys and can keep the discussiong going a bit. The ending killed me! Haha.
I can't handle cliffhangers. This game was excellent though and was much better than i expected. Real good. Figured i'd weigh in on what i think is up with the ending, or who the killer could be rather.
I was kind of thinking Miller or Browning at first, as they did dissapear for a while. But, the scene early in the game when she goes into the morgue and the killer comes out of the security room, Victoria chases him into the streets with her 4x4 and pursues him for a while. As this is happening, Claire calls Miller to report it, and then Miller relays it to browning. I don't want to say anything is impossible, but they're both confirmed there as the killer is being pursued so it can't be them, i don't think.
Richards the obvious pick for the killer since he calls at all these post-revelation moments and is convinently missing at key places, but just the fact that he is so obvious makes me think it isn't him. Plus at the end, i think she'd at least figure out it was him if her boyfriend was missing or turned up with a gunshot wound, but he could have swam home while Vic was in the hospital.
My biggest reach in the whole thing is her Father. He's got that perfect, rich, pleasent-ville would-sign-up-to-a-s and m-club vibe. Plus, he would have access to the morgue being the district attorney. DA's pretty much have top notch access to everything. Little things that make me kind of think its him is the cookie puzzle, it makes a point of "not leaveing them in the oven too long." You put them in the oven, you go out, killer strikes. Maybe he didn't eat them all, maybe they burnt and he threw them away. . . The reason its my biggest reach is because, well, ..no motiv, and a motiv is kind of something you should have, haha. (Could have escaped the water scene by swimming home while she was in the hospital, too. If he was shot in the shoulder, it could be easily covered up. I don't know, more i talk about this scenario the more i think it's ridiculous.)
One more thing is i don't think the killer has to be a guy per say. The Queen of Secrets, the only one of the four women who work at the red lantern that wasnt accounted for and respected the rules of the club. Her statue wears the mask, could be a symbol type thing. She'd probably be at all the same parties as these girls, but no one would know because they aren't on a personal level with her at all, and likely wouldnt even know her idenity. Thats kind of a stretch, too.
I don't know, i needed to vent, games ending is driving me bananas.
Small detail, Mark Ackermans name shows up twice on the same page of the members list at red lantern, in the cut scene.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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You know, I hadn't considered the Queen of Secrets. That would make perfect sense!
To be honest, I was thinking it was Mia during the game for a while, because she had the right body type and I thought it would be a good twist for it to be a female killer this time around--but alas, that didn't happen...but maybe it will, if it's the Queen of Secrets!
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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ok I hope this is not as spoiler to someone whos playing I need to ask a question while you are all on this subject ready.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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sheesh just when I was ready to ask my electricity went ok here is the question while Victoria was taking her whirlpool bath was or wasn't there someone else in the room with her, it sounded like there was to me anyone else feel the same way gosh it was sooooo spooky.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Yes, I definitely did. I kept expecting the killer to jump out and drown her!
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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This is a great place to hang out! Glad you found us! I don't think it could be her father, because we heard him snorning as we went past his bedroom when we rushed out to Mia's place. I do think the killer is somebody she knows, because he had 2 chances to kill her and he didn't. That's a good idea about the Queen Of Secrets possibly being the killer. Didn't think about that idea...... And she works at the club, so she could easily sign the name Mark Ackerman in the guestbook to mess with Victoria's head. (and why does a place like that even HAVE a guestbook!! ) I, too was thinking that something was going to happen when she was in the hot tub at the end. Perhaps that's how the next game can begin, with her in the hot tub hanging up the phone after talking to Clair. And about the Coachman, if you think about it, he was the last one that Ida was with before landing in Mark's cluctches. So perhaps those 2 are in cahoots together. Dawn :kiss: (now playing Silent Hill 2)
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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I wouldn't lose hope on a sequel to Still Life just yet. It's getting very positive reviews and a LOT of attention. UBISoft has made adventure games before, so they may give MC2 the chance to do it.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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CBS YEA! I hope there is a sequel I could use a stiff sequel right now ummm maybe not, they might just call the last one, "Still-Waiting" lolol sorry I just kill myself lol im such a joker
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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I've been good and resisted the temptation of looking at this thread for a few days now. I just finished the game and am so sorry to see it end! I'll be looking at the cinematics for a while and am so glad to read that you were all as sorry to see this game end as I was. You all have such great comments that I have to add a few more thoughts to them. Here's my take on it: Mark's mother and father were into s&m and his mother tortured & was incestuous with him during his childhood. He was raised in the family tradition. Mark's mother was killed either during one of their sessions or by Mark when he grew up. He hated & had such warped views of women because of his mother. The coachman knew what was going on and was a paid employee of Mark's and probably involved in the killings, A follower of Mark's. Mark's father covered up Mark's killings so as not to jeopardize his career and may have even been involved in them. Hubert (dad) was not involved in Victoria's killings but did own the s&m club in Chicago & probably another one in LA. He would not be able to be so politically involved in LA at the same time that he was committing the murders in Chicago. Mark was locked up in the asylum but he had children in Prague, a daughter and a son. Mark's dad brought them to the US with him and had them raised by a good s&m club member. Mark's children, Richard and the Queen of Secrets, continued the s&m tradition and emulated their father. The Queen was a recruiter for Richard and ran the club for her grandfather. Richard was the swordsman. Victoria never saw the killer's face and he had many chances to kill her but didn't. That's because it was Richard and he really did care about her and wanted to continue the game. Did you notice him staring at her in the credits while she was recuperating? Or was it him staring at her while she was in the jacuzzi? I'll have to look at that again. He is definitely suspicious. Richard could easily have been wearing a bulletproof vest when she shot him, which would have stunned him enough to be knocked over into the water but allowed him to swim to safety and get away. The reason the two signatures were in the book is because both Richard (really Mark Jr.) and his father who used the alias were members of the club. Btw, AcaciaStrain, Welcome! You found the right place. Melanie
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Hi Odisseus Gandhi was referring to nonhuman animals. He was a compassionate man who believed, as I do, that animals share this earth with us and are not ours to use and abuse but to respect as fellow beings with thoughts and feelings and should be allowed to live their lives in peace as they were meant to. Why would you think women? That's a strange comment. Melanie
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Well, we do know that Marc was the killer in Prague and that a 'pupil' continued in Chicago. This pupil must be Richard because he knew so much about the otherwise unknown artist. And Victoria left Mia with him for protection, unwittingly leaving her with the killer. How else could Mia end up dead if Richard was with her and kept an eye on her? Victoria never saw the killer's face because she passed out just as he lost his mask. And why would the killer spare her if he was a total stranger, he didn't hesitate to cut that other guy's throat who happened to be in the way. So the scumbag isn't dead and hopefully comes back for a sequel. Cheers,
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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I thought we saw a scene at the ending credits of Mia recovering in the hospital bandaged up, Emily. Was I mistaken? It was my impression that Victoria saved her just in time, shooting the killer before he stabbed Mia.
I really would have loved a sequel.
Melanie
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Well I just finished the game and I must say I absolutely loved it except for the ending. I was very disappointed in the way it ended. I was expecting closure.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Maybe I missed something here, but I thought that Richard met Marc in Chicago, where he was in a mental institution after his father got him out of Prague. Had the pupil been from the Prague days, he would have been much too old (70 years later!) to jump over roof tops and do much of anything. Perhaps Richard never even met Ackerman, but admired his 'work', considered himself a pupil, and decided to follow in his footsteps.
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I thought Gus and Marc were the same age? And Vic and Richard were the same age.So if Vic is the grandaughter of Gus than maybe Richard is the Grandson of Marc. Maybe that 16 year old girl who donated the bridge was Richards grandmother.Why else would anyone own a gallery and display portraits of murders???
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Originally posted by fov: Melanie - I didn't realize that was supposed to be Mia. (Could it have been Vic?) I actually thought it was a guy.
I think I saw 2 recuperating pictures, Emily. The first one looked like Mia with a bandage on her arm and maybe an IV? The second looked like Victoria. I tried to go back to the cinematics to see them again, but they were in the ending credits and the credits didn't have images the second time I looked. ? Originally posted by Ingrid: Perhaps Richard never even met Ackerman, but admired his 'work', considered himself a pupil, and decided to follow in his footsteps. That would also be a possibility and fit with Richard being the killer, Ingrid, but that would mean that Richard had something to do with the club and wouldn't explain the 2 Ackerman signatures. Melanie
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That's a good point about the ages, Catsmom. Richard could be Mark's grandson, rather than his son. He could also still have a sister, the mystery lady at the club and have a father with the same name to explain the 2 MA signatures.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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I just finished the game and I've gotta say.....I LOVED IT!!! I've been looking over all of your comments. The ending was as suspenseful as the whole story. When she was in the hot tub at the end, I was sure that someone would jump out and kill her.
I have no idea who the killer could be. I thought at first that her father could be involved - the S & M club seemed to cater to the wealthy and I remember what her grandfather was told - something about being very careful when you investigate something that'll implicate a powerful person. The parallels between the past and the present were very strong. Then there's her boss who let the suspect she was interrogating go free just as he was about to come up with names. (Just like the police inspector who let the killer in the past go free.) Then there was her boyfriend who seemed to be too interested in showing paintings of obviously tortured women...and passing them off as something else.
I didn't think she recognized the killer in the apartment. She seemed too drugged out, and I didn't really see a glimmer of recognition on her face. Maybe I missed it. It was really frustrating that she was so close to seeing the killer and missing it both at the apartment and at the bridge. It IS interesting, though, that the killer didn't kill her when her obviously could have. Both her Dad and her boyfriend could have been responsible for that. Hmmmm. Questions and more questions.
I really hope there's a sequel and that it's as good as this story. They need to use the same people to make it or it'll change too much.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Something else just occurred to me: Her Dad may be innocent. It could be that it's the tendency for people in her family to be the crime investigators and prosecutors, but the people in her boyfriend's family to have the tendency toward criminal behavior. Maybe these traits are passed down in each respective family.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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I don't think it was Vic's dad. I think it's much more likely that it was Richard or someone still unknown to us. Maybe the perpetrator just didn't want to kill Victoria because he was enjoying toying with her, not because he knew or liked her.
It's true that people seem to follow in the footsteps of their families but even the scientists don't how much of it is genetics and how much is just environment.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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I think this game should be played twice just like watching a movie twice, first time you often miss little things. As for the signatures at the club, who better to forge them than an artist/gallery owner.The killer was definetely a man and my money is still on Richard.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Originally posted by mjartisian: It's true that people seem to follow in the footsteps of their families but even the scientists don't how much of it is genetics and how much is just environment.
Melanie True in real life. I was thinking that, for this story, it kinda made sense to have two distinctive bloodlines fighting through time. Makes for a more artistic touch. BTW, have you all written to Ubisoft and demanded the sequel using the original artists? USA - 625 Third Street, 3rd floor San Francisco - CA 94107 Tel: +1 (415) 547 4000 Fax: +1 (415) 547 4001 - Red Storm 3200 Gateway Centre Boulevard Suite 100 Morrisville - NC 27560 Tel: +1 (919) 460 1776 Fax: +1 (919) 460 1502
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Hi all! I am so glad to see this discussion. I was boiling with frustration from such ending. Now, Dad looks the least possible suspect because of his laud snoring we all heard a couple of times. The perfect alibi. But could it be just a recording? Pretty convenient.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Why have people suspected the Father? All he wanted in the game was Gingerbread cookies.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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I think the Coachman had something to do with the murders in the 1930's.When I saw him talking to Gus, I kept thinking what a young looking face for such a old man. When you look at his face it is young looking but he has white hair.And if you go into the building where he was, he isnt there anymore. Could he have been Mark, portraying a Coachman? Maybe thats how he got his victims in a secluded area.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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And train his birds to steal...and drive victims to their death,,,not suspicious to me either
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Originally posted by catsmom2: And train his birds to steal...and drive victims to their death,,,not suspicious to me either Don't forget the fact that he seemed to know more about the killings than the police!
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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05/14/05 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by CBSection31: Originally posted by catsmom2: [b] And train his birds to steal...and drive victims to their death,,,not suspicious to me either Don't forget the fact that he seemed to know more about the killings than the police! [/b]He was definitely on my suspicious list for the early murders. Melanie
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Hi, everyone!
I just finished the game a few minutes ago and am glad I sat through the credits; otherwise, I would have missed the ending (Victoria at Pat's house).
I felt the same about the ending to "Still Life" as I did about the ending to "Jack the Ripper". I loved both games, but felt short-changed because the identity of the killers was never revealed. It made sense in JTR because, to this day, even though many theories are floating around, nobody knows for sure who he was. The same doesn't hold true for "Still Life", unless there is a planned sequel and the identity of the killer will be revealed then.
Like many others here, my money is on Richard as the modern-day killer. He was missing at the end when Victoria returned to the gallery, and he didn't kill her in Mia's apartment when he had the chance.
I loved seing Gus again and thought that "Still Life" was one of the best games I've ever played. It kept me glued to my computer at all times and, even though I tried to take my time because I didn't want it to end, I couldn't stop playing.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Originally posted by Susie07: Hi, everyone!
I loved seing Gus again and thought that "Still Life" was one of the best games I've ever played. It kept me glued to my computer at all times and, even though I tried to take my time because I didn't want it to end, I couldn't stop playing.
Susan I felt the same way, Susan. I wanted to play slowly but couldn't stop. Melanie
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Originally posted by Susie07: I felt the same about the ending to "Still Life" as I did about the ending to "Jack the Ripper". I loved both games, but felt short-changed because the identity of the killers was never revealed. EXCELLENT comparison! I feel the exact same way! Hopefully, though, we'll have closer with Still Life if there is a sequel...or at the very least, if the developers tell us what they had planned.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Originally posted by Susie07:
Like many others here, my money is on Richard as the modern-day killer. He was missing at the end when Victoria returned to the gallery, and he didn't kill her in Mia's apartment when he had the chance.
I loved seing Gus again and thought that "Still Life" was one of the best games I've ever played. It kept me glued to my computer at all times and, even though I tried to take my time because I didn't want it to end, I couldn't stop playing.
Susan "I loved seeing Gus again.." I am sitting here with my coffee, my brain is slowly waking up, and I am wondering what Gus was in before? I don't remember meeting him in an earlier game. I did notice references early on between Claire and Victoria about a previous case but thought that to be charactor development. One other question while I'm here. Why did we have to make the cookies? I'll go have more coffee now.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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I believe the game was "Post Mortem" from what I have heard. I have not played PM. I just thought we made the cookies because Daddy liked them. And it did make for a cutezy puzzle.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Hi, Melanie, CB and C'ris! Melanie, I know I'm really enjoying a game when I can't stop playing versus forcing myself to finish. While playing "Still Life", I'd decide to just play until the end of the current chapter, but found myself continuing when the characters switched. Some of the puzzles were doozies, but most of them were fun. CB, I'm definitely hoping we'll see a sequel since no body was ever found. Perhaps Richard (whom I believe is the murderer) floated down the river and surfaced to continue his reign of terror. They can't just leave us hanging onto our suspicions . C'ris, as JohnBoy said, we first saw Gus in "Post Mortem" trying to solve a murder case in Paris. The case was referred to a few times in "Still Life'. I'd highly recommend it. Susan
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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I would recommend Post Mortem to all who haven't played it also. It was a really interesting game. Not as technically good, since it's older, but great story also. Same here, Susan. I have several languishing on my computer now in different stages of completion. Still Life was just played till it was done. Melanie
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Hi, Melanie! I normally don't use walkthrus because I have no willpower and it would be too tempting to peek and see what's coming next. When (not if ) I get stuck, I'd rather post an SOS, get the help I need to move on and resist temptation. If I'm not enjoying a game (or just plain hating it), I print off the walkthru and use it so I can finish. Susan
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Originally posted by Susie07: Hi, Melanie!
I normally don't use walkthrus because I have no willpower and it would be too tempting to peek and see what's coming next. When (not if ) I get stuck, I'd rather post an SOS, get the help I need to move on and resist temptation.
If I'm not enjoying a game (or just plain hating it), I print off the walkthru and use it so I can finish.
Susan I have found some games to be more enjoyable using the WT. I hated Schizm. It was way over my head. I played it thru at a later date using the WT and had a blast!
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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05/15/05 02:20 PM
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I agree. I'd much rather play without one but that's usually when I resort to a walkthrough also.
I'm about to do that with Sentinel. It seems to be one hard puzzle after another with very little story so will be much more fun with a WT. I felt the same way with Schism 2.
Some of those timed sequences are impossible even with a WT for me though. I still have UAKM languishing because of a timed sequence that I can't get through even though I know what to do.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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05/15/05 03:34 PM
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Hi, Melanie!
Which timed sequence has you stumped in UAKM. It's been so long since I played it, I don't remember any, but I do remember how much I enjoyed it, "The Pandora Directive" and "Overseer". Ya gotta love good old Tex.
There haven't been a lot of games that I've used a walkthru for but, since I wasn't enjoying them, I'd paid my money and wanted to see the end ASAP, a walkthru was the only way to accomplish it.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Hi all
Hated to see game emd...I for pne believe it's Victoria's dad. Something went wrong with him mentally, and he took up where the killer left off, in Gus' day.
I too, hope there is a sequel. I enjoyed Post Mortem, Siberia 1 and 2 as well as many other games.
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Originally posted by Susie07: Hi, Melanie!
Which timed sequence has you stumped in UAKM. It's been so long since I played it, I don't remember any, but I do remember how much I enjoyed it, "The Pandora Directive" and "Overseer". Ya gotta love good old Tex.
The one in the TRS office with those d*** security robots! I just can't do the motion needed quickly enough. It hurts my arm and shoulder. You wouldn't have a save there would you? I hope? I need one just after the security is turned off so I can get to the safe or right at the safe. I have Overseer but have been hoping to finish UAKM first. Thanks! Melanie
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Hi, Melanie! How could I possibly have forgotten GRS? I must have blocked it out ! Unfortunately, I don't have a saved game, but I wouldn't mind playing UAKM again so, if you're not in any hurry, I'll see what I can do. Are you stuck at the safe in Tucker's office? I think I hid behind the plants to escape the security probe. If you want to duck down out of sight, hold down your "CTRL" key. Then when it's safe to come out of hiding, just hit your "E" key. You'll notice that your "Travel" key is shaded out as soon as you hear the security sweep announcement and it will remain that way until the probe is gone and the coast is clear. Good luck! Susan
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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I don't know how anyone could forget that place, Susan! Melanie
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Hey Fellow Boomers! I just finished the game and I am so glad to have found this thread! I loved the game, but I hate when the end leaves me with so many questions. It seemed obvious to me it was setting us up for a sequel.....sure hope so. I had suspected Richard all along too. I like the idea of her Dad as a suspect....never thought of that one. I don't think she ever saw the face in Mia's apartment. But, when you think about it, it has to be someone who cares for her, because he had several opportunities to kill her, but didn't.....and we know he has no problem with killing women! So that would point to Richard or her dad. As someone else mentioned....I loved her dad's house....especially the Jacuzzi...aaaahhhhhh! Anyway....I sure enjoyed the game. I am really looking foward to "Dreamfall" being released this year. "Longest journey" is one of my favorite games of all time!
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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!!
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Still Life is one of my all time favorites now, too. I, too was sad to finish. When I began Still Life, I recognized Gus, but couldn't recall from what game. I checked out Gameboomers and found an entry that said he was in Post Mortem. I enjoyed Post Mortem, even though it was older and had some hiccups in it. Gus wasn't murdered by the killer in Prague and that is why I think Victoria wasn't murdered. I think the killer wants to be stopped, and that is why Gus and Vic aren't murdered. I think the killer is again related to a high profile person. Richard could be the killer, but I don't think so. I believe his gallery was choosen to display the paintings because of his connection to Victoria. I don't think it is her father, because her family is on the side of "goodness". I was disappointed to read in these postings about the possibility that there won't be another game! Christy
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