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#120194 - 02/14/06 07:37 PM Re: What's in a name?
The Haze Offline
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I don't want to step on any toes, but I'd like respectfully add to this thread. The reason I play "Adventure Games", no matter how they are subdivided, is that I enjoy the 'adultness' of the games, but I don't want to kill anybody or anything. Adventure games generally fill the bill for me. (Oddly, I don't much care if there are dead people in the game, a'la Still Life. I just don't wish to shoot them.)
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#120195 - 02/14/06 08:11 PM Re: What's in a name?
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I'm thinking that there are truths in bits and pieces of what each of you have said that helps me with what I deem as "The Adventure Genre" ---especially what WW - Laura - and MAD mentioned.
Sort of boils down to symantics really. One person's adventure can be another person's action-shooter.

Case in point: The last time I was in a Gameing Store (I'll call it that so no predjudices can be met here, folks) I was browsing the shop which was packed with mostly kids - teens and a few adults. One of the salespeople came over to me as I was browsing and asked if he could be of some help. I told him that I was just looking for some "Adventure Games" --- He immediately pointed me toward games that I would class as Action Action/Shooters and RPGs. and no matter how I tried to explain what I was after ...he just didn't get it.

"Oh yes," he said. "You mean "horror survival"
"How about Silent Hill 4?"
"uh...no"
"Hmmm Halo?" "World of Warcraft?"
(sigh!)

Since I realized that we just weren't communicating on the same wave lentgh here ... I left. So, on to the next store --- This time I went to one of those MEGA MART Computer stores (who will also remain nameless) But this time -- tired of trying my usual "I'm looking for an adventure game" I tried a new tactic.

I'm interested in "Interactive - Media" for the PC." (and then set back to watch this guy's reaction) Well, imagine my suprise when he stopped and then thought about it for awhile... Then smiled and said.

"Well, I think I can help you --- but there are diferent genres. If you like mystery, I've got these and pointed me to Indigo Prophecy, a few Nancy Drews and ATTWN. Or if you like Scary Games -- There is this series, at which he pulled out Dark Fall: The Journal and Dark Fall II: Lights Out from another shelf. Maybe you care for "Fantasy"?-- He began to tell me all about the beautiful eyecandy in the Myst series..... (I could have almost kissed this kid....)So, I guess it points to what each gamer has in his mind as to what this "stuff" we search for and love to play really is.

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#120196 - 02/14/06 10:55 PM Re: What's in a name?
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Hi Inferno smile

"Interactive - Media" for the PC."

Wow !!

Would you please parcel up that store assistant you spoke to and send him over - express delivery ?? lol lol

Cheers.

Mad wave
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#120197 - 02/15/06 12:37 AM Re: What's in a name?
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Strange huh? I will tell you the name of the store Fryes Computers. It large nice to see a very large collection for all tastes ...
RPGs were subdivided as well -- so were the action shooters.

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#120198 - 02/15/06 05:05 AM Re: What's in a name?
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Well, I have to ask. What does ATTWN stand for?
duh
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#120199 - 02/15/06 05:17 AM Re: What's in a name?
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Hi Joanie! wave

ATTWN...Stands for 'And Then There Were None'...the Agatha Christie game...you really made me laugh, because I have trouble sometimes deciphering these 'codes'...I'm not too bad with the newer ones...but, OH my!...when it's an older game, that's when the trouble starts. rolleyes rotfl

Sue lol
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#120200 - 02/15/06 10:23 AM Re: What's in a name?
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I never before considered it a positive thing that the few local stores that carry PC games have such a small selection! Usually only a shelf or two. They don't even bother to section them as to genre. But it doesn't take long to look at every game.

I generally don't go into a store without knowing what I'm looking for, either. I'll get an opinion here or from another adventure site and read up a lot before buying. Then I know if there's action, and if it's a level of action I can cope with.

I thought Shady Brook did something interesting: allowing you to choose "Pure Adventure" or "action elements" options for your gameplay.

WW
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#120201 - 02/15/06 02:32 PM Re: What's in a name?
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I don't think of the games I mentioned as being Horror at all. For me Horror would be the Silent Hill games, Obscure, that sort of thing. smile
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#120202 - 02/16/06 02:16 AM Re: What's in a name?
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Adventure Games! laugh

Those games where you explore everywhere, collect everything you can to use later (perhaps), talk to everyone you can talk to. You don't carry a weapon of any description, you use your brain to solve puzzles and get out of difficult situations.

Whether the story is set in a mysterious location, a crime scene, a lonely island, an old mansion, in a town or city, on a farm, a space ship or in some other strange (interesting) place, it doesn't matter. An Adventure game is a game where you don't have to be fast on a keyboard to get past the "baddies" and die often, or shoot your way out of difficult situations. wink

I do notice that more and more, Adventure Games are sneaking in the dreaded timed sequences and some action - why? The "old" Adventure Games did have some timed stuff and you did die quite frequently if you weren't careful. However, we were all younger then (before the Internet) and Adventure games were in their infancy. Now gamers want "pure" Adventure - minus the timed/action sequences that make most people call for a "save".

Rant/off. laugh

PS. I probably didn't answer the original question but it feels good to have a rant occasionally. oops

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#120203 - 02/16/06 10:29 AM Re: What's in a name?
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Quote:
Originally posted by nickie:
I don't think of the games I mentioned as being Horror at all. For me Horror would be the Silent Hill games, Obscure, that sort of thing. smile
I think of things like Black Mirror, Still LIfe, Post MOrtem, the Dark Falls etc as horror because they 1) play upon the characters' (or the gamer's) internal fears; 2) often deal with "crimes" that are mysterious as well as brutal 3) contain supernatural elements. Anyway, if I were submitting any of those plots to a book publisher, they'd be considered fantasy/horror.

I haven't played Silent Hill or Obscure, but from what I've read about them, I'd label them "slasher." To me, horror has more to do with atmosphere than blood.

WW
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#120204 - 02/16/06 10:31 AM Re: What's in a name?
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lol Dookie! Sometimes it just feels good! However, one of the greatest adventures ever, Gabriel Knight 2 did have a timed sequence...

WW, just one more example of why games are so difficult to sub-divide. laugh
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#120205 - 02/16/06 10:35 AM Re: What's in a name?
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That is so true--all the Gabriel Knights did, and somehow I didn't object! I don't know why, but it wasn't as frustrating. Maybe because the action elements actually were better integrated into the plot, or maybe because some of the ones you get today are...well, they get sprung on you without your having the faintest idea what's coming or what to do and some of them just seem... extravangantly difficult. Lots of people objected to the laser puzzle in Still LIfe, but I didn't so much because at least it made some kind of sense plotwise!

WW
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