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#122986 - 08/27/02 09:16 AM Why trade?
T. Ritter Offline
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Registered: 08/14/02
Posts: 15
Loc: Europe
I was just over at Game Trading Zone and found that at least 105 (!) people have The Watchmaker on their wanted lists.

I recently ordered WM from an on-line store for a very reasonable price so the reason for all the folks wanting to trade for it can hardly be that it´s hard to find or that it´s too expensive.

In these troubled times for adventure games I really think we all should be BUYING the new games we want rather than trade for them and use GTZ for getting those older, harder to get, out of print games instead. In the long run I believe that´s the only way to encourage Trecision (in this case) to continue releasing adventure games in the future.

Well, just a thought... What do YOU think?

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#122987 - 08/27/02 09:48 AM Re: Why trade?
Mr 2 u Offline
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Registered: 09/21/01
Posts: 509
Loc: Scotland
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In these troubled times for adventure games I really think we all should be BUYING the new games we want rather than trade for them and use GTZ for getting those older, harder to get, out of print games instead. In the long run I believe that´s the only way to encourage Trecision (in this case) to continue releasing adventure games in the future.
I agree totally people should buy the games and only swap as a last resort for the older games you cant buy anymore.
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#122988 - 08/27/02 09:49 AM Re: Why trade?
emma Offline
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Registered: 04/17/00
Posts: 696
Loc: Stockholm, Sweden
I agree. Not that I want to tell people how to trade and with what, ha-ha-ha-ha! But I always get a bit surprised when I notice new titles that aren't all that expensive, looked for in trades.
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#122989 - 08/27/02 10:19 AM Re: Why trade?
gatorlaw Offline
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Registered: 11/01/99
Posts: 10312
Absolutely right!!

It aggrivates me when I see people looking to get a game for trade (or worse) that is readily available.

If we don't support the new games in the market place - there won't be new games to be bought, traded or anything else. frown

I think the most bizarre example of this was where someone was offering to sell their copy of Dark Fall for more than it cost to get it new from Jonathan. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" />

Laura
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#122990 - 08/27/02 10:37 AM Re: Why trade?
Duststorm Offline
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Registered: 03/26/02
Posts: 243
Loc: South Lake Stevens,WA.
Do you all feel the same about selling games you have played?

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#122991 - 08/27/02 10:52 AM Re: Why trade?
Witchen Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 22381
Loc: Seattle Washington USA
Hi ya', Duststorm and all! laugh laugh laugh

I don't think any of us feels exactly the same way about much of anything for that matter....LOL! wink lol

Here's where I'm coming from: I support buying new games whereever and whenever possible (unless they aren't available anymore in store fronts or online), particularly when they are now being sold for the most part at a very reasonable price! That's the only way we can collectively support and encourage the life of the adventure gaming industry. Otherwise, someday we'll only have old games to play. There won't be any new ones coming....

Love, Witchen =O) smile

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#122992 - 08/27/02 11:07 AM Re: Why trade?
gatorlaw Offline
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Registered: 11/01/99
Posts: 10312
Duststorm,

Witchen said it - I also doubt there are many things that we all agree on. My first post was probably just an out of the gut reaction to the number of people looking for a game that is available everywhere and was just released months ago. If a person is looking to trade or sell a game that they don't wish to keep that is one thing and varies from person to person. But when you have 100+ people seeking to buy a used game that they could easily get for the same price - that is a bit disturbing.

It can't be a positive thing for the publisher seeking to justify continued expenditures on new adventure game development.

Laura
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#122993 - 08/27/02 11:47 AM Re: Why trade?
T. Ritter Offline
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Registered: 08/14/02
Posts: 15
Loc: Europe
Duststorm, I believe everyone has the right to do pretty much what they want with what is theirs after they have bought it, including selling it or using it in a trade. What SURPRISES me though, is that so many gamers seem determined NOT to buy a game they want in spite of the fact that the game in question is both easily found and inexpensive.

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#122994 - 08/27/02 12:02 PM Re: Why trade?
Betty Lou Offline
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Registered: 07/29/00
Posts: 11334
Loc: Sacramento, CA USA
And then there is what you call inexpensive and what I call inexpensive...frankly I have not purchased either Jazz & Faust or Watchmaker yet as it is going for 29.95 online + shipping and same price in the retail stores. I will strive to purchase it new but want the price to come down. I am all for supporting the new game makers and distributors too. Witchen said it very nicely and I agree with her.
(I would not deal with GTZ no matter what nor eBay either - just don't feel comfortable with their way of doing things).
Love, Betty Lou
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#122995 - 08/27/02 12:28 PM Re: Why trade?
lonewolf32 Offline
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Registered: 06/03/02
Posts: 1152
Loc: New Baltimore, MI
Would you let a friend borrow a newer game, even if you uninstalled it? Same difference...

(just playing devil's advocate)
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#122996 - 08/27/02 12:43 PM Re: Why trade?
nolalou Offline
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Registered: 02/10/00
Posts: 5037
Loc: New Orleans, LA. USA
I agree that it's better to trade for those old out of print games instead of those currently available. I've even noticed games not released yet on GTZ wanted lists, and games that aren't even in production, like Tex Murphy Polarity. (planed as a the next sequel years ago, before Microsoft bought Access Software).

While GTZ is great for those hard to find games, but I must admit I now regret trading some of my older games!

Louis

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#122997 - 08/27/02 12:48 PM Re: Why trade?
BillyBob Offline
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Registered: 01/18/01
Posts: 7858
Loc: North Florida
When I was a kid I was into comic books big time. At that time they were a nickel or a dime. Trading was something you did as a normal thing. I'm sure I traded off the original Superman, Spiderman, Batman, and several others now worth big bucks. I believe Marvel Comics is still in business bigtime and charging fine prices for their books. If trading didn't ruin them then why should I expect it to ruin the makers of PC games? Sorry, I can't agree with many of you but that's the way I see it. laugh
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#122998 - 08/27/02 01:06 PM Re: Why trade?
Karin Offline
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Registered: 02/06/00
Posts: 142
Loc: Sweden
I agree with the idea that the adventure gamers who have the means should pick up all new games at retail prices (as a post-level-7 BAAG lady, I'm certainly doing what I can to keep the sales figures up laugh ).

However, I still remember how it felt to be on a tight budget as a student, coveting that new adventure game, but buying the mandatory pathology book instead... <img border="0" alt="pacify" title="" src="graemlins/pacify.gif" />

Another reason for trying to trade for a new game (fx. the new ND) is that it's not readily available in all parts of the world. Many on-line retailers don't ship internationally, and some of those who do charge very high. For an example, Dreamcatcher charges about $60 for shipping one game! eek

IMHO, there might be a reason for at least some of the requests for new games at GTZ.

Karin

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#122999 - 08/27/02 01:28 PM Re: Why trade?
Zanthia Offline
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Registered: 11/01/99
Posts: 9329
Loc: ex-new yorker
I will trade for new games that are just released no matter what the price is. Why—because I don’t have unlimited funds as many as you seem to have. If it wasn’t for trading there would have been so many games I would have missed out on. Trading is completely legal. Ideally I would like to buy every game out if I could afford to. But what do I do when I am finished with them. I never replay any games. Should I just throw them away then.

When I do buy games and buy plenty I normally only buy when they go on sale for a substantial savings. This is one reason why I don’t do mail order along with the fact that some places like Dreamcatcher have unbelievably high shipping plus sales tax and places like Amazon I get hit with taxes too. The rare time I do mail order will only be when there is a great deal like at the 48 hour madness sale at gogamer.

T. Ritter—everyone’s idea of what is expensive and what isn’t is different.

Now I do agree if someone is going to buy a used game at the same cost as a new one than they should certainly buy it new especially if it is a small company.
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#123000 - 08/27/02 07:11 PM Re: Why trade?
dmtomchick Offline
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Registered: 11/27/01
Posts: 1265
Loc: Collegeville, PA USA
I'm going to have to agree with Billy Bob and Zanthia here. I'm all for trading.

Money isn't an issue here, as I can well afford to buy games. And I do buy most of the new ones that come out for the simple reason that I don't want to wait. But once I am done playing them, I will not replay them. I don't have an unlimited amount of room to keep them. And I absolutely refuse to throw something perfectly good away. Why not let somebody else enjoy it, while at the same time saving yourself some money by getting a game that you want in trade, even if it is readily available to buy?

I honestly do see the need to keep the developers in business. And I do feel somewhat guilty when I trade or buy a used game. But the bottom line is that I'm trying to save money and at the same time, rid myself of perfectly good items that would otherwise get thrown away or sit on a shelf forever gathering dust.

This is also how I feel about books. I buy and sell my books at half.com. Again, I feel bad because an author is not getting their cut. But again, am I supposed to toss out a perfectly good book that I'm never going to read again?

Just my take on things.

Dawn

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