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#137584 - 06/06/03 05:30 PM Please help with slow problem
Michael Offline
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Hi! I need help. Just in the last 2 days my computer has started to be VERY slow when it first starts up loading windows XP. It feels that after it gets through loading I can access my prgrams pretty much alright. Please help me...especially since I don't have an XP disk so I cant utilise that option to fix anything. First; Heres what I've done to try to fix this step by step.
1. First I went to start run msconfig and took out alot of stuff in the startup section that I KNEW I didn't not have to have. (Got a good knowledge of that area)
2.Ran RegScrub I run this quite often in fact.It pretty much finds the same 5 or 6 errors over and over again. I tell it to fix the problems. It fixes them. A little while later (at some point) the same errors show up in RegScrub again, IMPORTANT NOTE; These errors have been showing up for a LONG time ....way before I started having these current problems I am having now.
3 Checked DxDiag..It says no problems in Direct X 9 drivers none in Video Drivers None in Sound Drivers
4.Checked Device Manager No Red Exclamation Marks. No Yellow Exclamation marks.
5.Checked System Confiuration Utility Checked Boot paths in Boot.ini Says that is alright.
6.NOTE; After doing EACH of these things individually it made no difference in the EXTREMELY slow start up speed.
7 Cleared the cache in Netscape Internet Explorer
8. Downloaded a piece of software called Tune Up Utilities ran that. Didn't make it worse-Didn't make it better.
Virtual Memory is currently being taken care of by my machine not by me...yet when I run certain programs it talks about my machine needing more of this and I may experience a slowness while it increases virtual memory.
8. Outside of this can anyone tell me by my description of my problem what piece of hardware in my machine may be failing by my description?
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If you can is there any test you can tell me I might could download to rule IN or OUT what piece of hardware might be failig?
10. Lastly (of course) Do have Virus Protection kept up to date consistently. Norton 2003 It finds no virus. Have a Firewall. No Trojans.
11. ANYTHING you could tell me would be GREATLY appreciated! I can't afford to have my technician out here at the mnoment. I want to thank you again profusely. You all are a GodSend!!! Michael elikas1@comcast.net 609.695.0993 <img border="0" alt="cry" title="" src="graemlins/cry.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="woozy" title="" src="graemlins/woozy.gif" />
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#137585 - 06/06/03 07:24 PM Re: Please help with slow problem
BillyBob Offline
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Registered: 01/18/01
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Loc: North Florida
I know little about XP but I do know that it is a hog on memory. How much RAM do you have? My neighbor managed to load XP but couldn't get it to boot up all the way because of low memory. With XP and a bunch of other programs loaded I imagine it would need a lot of memory for it to run properly.

Of course, CPU speed and the size of the harddrive would be a factor, too, I would imagine. laugh
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#137586 - 06/06/03 08:01 PM Re: Please help with slow problem
Michael Offline
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Well my memory currently is 256 megs of RAM I figure thats enough. Only reason I figure this is this problem has only been occurring for just a few days now. I tell you this is really driving me mad (as if I'm not mad enough already *teheheh*) No but really I am just at my wit's end. The one thing that is bizarre is this,. Every time I boot my machine and upon startup, RealPlayer starts itself automatically. Well of course it's going to be easy for me to take it out of the start menu but what is strange is how it appears when I first boot up my machine. It puts itself on the desktop like I would place it if I were getting ready to utilise it and and at the the top of the Real Player (in the section at the top where wording goes) it says in big bold letters-the same thing every time I boot up my machine. It reads and I'm quoting "SYSTEMBOOTHIDEPLAYER" I really and truly hope this has something to do with my problem but I don't know. Once again I'll let you know I've run Norton 2003 which is COMPLETELY up to date. It finds no virus. Can anyone tell me if this is part of my problem aned what I can do to try to fix it? I thank you VERY much! I am always grateful and thankful for your VALUABLE assistance. Michael elikas1@comcast.net 609.695.0993 <img border="0" alt="cry" title="" src="graemlins/cry.gif" /> wink
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#137587 - 06/06/03 09:23 PM Re: Please help with slow problem
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Well I removed Real Player and it's reciprocal agents from the Startup. Well I get none of that mess I was describing in that last thread. The thing is this thing is puzzling me. I just don't understand. When I rebooted just now the startup to load Windows Desktop was even slower. It rebooted and it took about 4 minutes before it began to load my desktop. I know I'm not a technician but that just feels to me like it's a hardware issue. I know know what could be going though? The Power Supply is less than two months old. So is the motherboard (which by the way is a replacement from the company because the original was defective)...which leads me to think that "Well,it seems a bit skeptical they would send me a replacement montherboard for the original and this one go bad in less than four months (thats how long I've had this one.) And everytime I do a full scan disk with error checking and fixing...the whole she-bang it says the hard drive is ok with no errors. This is really and truly baffling me. Something is wrong. Does anyone know if there is a downloadable piece of software (free) on the Internet that will tell you if something is seriously wrong with your Windows system itself? (XP Professional in my case) I mean I really trust that RegScrub but its like I said it has been finding the same five or six errors for months now and it fixes them and they come back but I just really and truly don't believe those errors are causing this.Because this has only been occurring for two days now, You know it could be the memory but I promise you that test that you run (I forget the name MemTest or something like that) I never finished the gosh-darn thing. You have let that thing run in DOS for a solid WEEK (i'm not kidding either) in order for it to run through every cycle of memory. I just don't have a whole week to let that thing run. Does anyone think this problem may be the memory,. I know a little bit about the memory thats in my machine. Its one WHOLE block of 256 RAM. Does anyone know of a test that will test your memory without having to sacrifice 72 to 140 hours wait time? Now you all I want you to correct me if you think I'm going down the wrong diagnostic path. I do NOT claim to be a technician. But I've got to do something. Well I'll wait to hear from y'all,here. I appreciate it. Michael elikas1@comcast.net 609.695.0993 <img border="0" alt="cry" title="" src="graemlins/cry.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="woozy" title="" src="graemlins/woozy.gif" />
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#137588 - 06/06/03 09:57 PM Re: Please help with slow problem
BillyBob Offline
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Loc: North Florida
Did you add a program or a piece of hardware/software two days ago just before this problem started? Sounds like something changed about that time. If it wasn't something added then it sounds like something just went wrong in the computer. A power supply or memory unit.........anything can go bad at any given moment. I was working on something the other day and the test equipment was bad. That drove me up the wall for awhile. I've installed 3 new pieces of equipment and all three were bad. That will run you in circles, too. My first CD RW was bad and I thought for a month it was my not understanding what I was doing. For once, that wasn't true. lol All this is just to get the point across that you can't assume anything. You have to find some pattern and make some tests to fix almost anything unless you get a lucky guess! laugh

Maybe you can borrow some memory from someone and replace yours (be sure and get the right kind) and give it a try. Maybe, as I said, you added something to the computer that threw it off. laugh
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#137589 - 06/06/03 11:49 PM Re: Please help with slow problem
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I remember a while back that someone discovered that a certain Windows XP update really slowed down their computer. Check here to see if it might be your problem.

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#137590 - 06/07/03 12:20 AM Re: Please help with slow problem
granny Offline
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Registered: 08/27/99
Posts: 7403
Loc: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida USA
A little while back my Win98 was getting slower & slower & slower, a Defrag would take over 30 hours, it took at least 10-15 min. for a start up. These wonderful GBers gave me all the things to try that you have, and none of it helped. One of (I think Jenny100's) thoughts was that my hard drive was could be going bad.
Well, I didn't act on that thought quickly enough and do a back up, so naturally within a few weeks the hard drive just wasn't there any more, and I lost EVERYTHING!!!

You might want to do a full back up now, even if it does take an extremely amount of time, just in case.
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#137591 - 06/07/03 06:11 AM Re: Please help with slow problem
satch Offline
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Registered: 01/02/02
Posts: 516
If deleting the Windows update Jenny100 mentioned doesn't help try this.

Start/All Programs/Accessories/System Tools/System Restore. Pick a date before your current problem and restore your system.

I deleted the update Jenny100 mentioned and it help my slow computer problem.

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#137592 - 06/07/03 09:16 AM Re: Please help with slow problem
tigger Offline
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Registered: 04/02/01
Posts: 15679
Loc: England
The other thing which most don't think of is checking that your C: drive isn't running low on space.. this can affect Loads of things!! C needs space to switch round files etc at all times..

granny, I had Just the same prob as you.. didn't heed the warning signs and mine went Bang last Sunday!! Got most of my stuff back from our server, but some of my savegames and Sims are lost forever frown

It could be something as inconsequential as a memory (ram) chip strting to wear out.. this is quite common.

tPS.. just thought about something.. make sure your fans are working correctly as if the system keeps overheating it can cause such probs!!
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#137593 - 06/07/03 09:22 AM Re: Please help with slow problem
tigger Offline
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Registered: 04/02/01
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Just read your previous thread about changing music files so you could use em as startup sounds for windows.. after you had done that, is That when your probs started??

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#137594 - 06/07/03 09:23 AM Re: Please help with slow problem
Rckasea Offline
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Registered: 08/11/00
Posts: 2565
Loc: Colden,N.Y.
Hi Michael,
Question, after you do get to windows,then system info,what percent memory load are you at?
What apps. are running? I was running 40% memory
load on my 256 RAM,when doing nothing,XP is a hog.
I just put in 512 RAM. I should have done this a year ago. This is more important than clock speed.
Also, do not run auto updates for service pack 1.
Do them on yourself. After checking for faults.
Anyhow, on the web, go to PC Pitstop.com, they
can check your system and give help.
Best of luck,
Rick
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#137595 - 06/07/03 11:59 AM Re: Please help with slow problem
Michael Offline
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Registered: 01/24/00
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Loc: Trenton,New Jersey,U.S.A.
Hi! When I pull up System Info (as regards to memory)- I puill up :
Total Physical Memory 255.42MB
Available Physical Memory: 101.24MB
Total Virtual Memory: 874.97MB
Available Virtual Memory 504.05MB
Page File Space 619.55MB
PageFile C:\pagefile.sys
Ok the patch situation I covered a while back.NOTE: I don't have the XP Pro CD and I cant get Windows XP Service Pack. ..(refuses to let me download it) HOWEVER my machine has been working just fine until two days ago.I'm going to go over to P.C. Pitstop now. Does any of this info here sound like I may have a memory problem? Thank you SO much again!!! Michael elikas1@comcast.net 609.695.0993 <img border="0" alt="cry" title="" src="graemlins/cry.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="woozy" title="" src="graemlins/woozy.gif" />
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#137596 - 06/07/03 04:49 PM Re: Please help with slow problem
Rckasea Offline
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Registered: 08/11/00
Posts: 2565
Loc: Colden,N.Y.
Hi Michael,
I think that Virtual Memory is tiied to your hard drive (C)and is not true RAM. What GB's do you have for your hard drive? How did you make out @ PCPistop? Could it be, with two teams from NEW JERSEY(NHL&NBA)in the finals, other things just slow down? Good luck to both teams.
Anyhow, By your specs.,you are at 59% memory load without running anything, WOW!!!!!! DID you check the fan vents? I know,I know, yah right.
What happened when you used XP restore system to say lasts Monday or Tuesday?
Best Wishes,
Rick
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#137597 - 06/07/03 08:49 PM Re: Please help with slow problem
Michael Offline
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Registered: 01/24/00
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Loc: Trenton,New Jersey,U.S.A.
Hi I know this sounds foolish but it took me a LONG time to figure out how to make a copy (picture rather) of my RegScrub software screen with the errors on there. Will someone please help me? I would like to ask if there is anyone who will receive an e-mail from me with the RegScrub picture included? I definitely know how to send this. Of course I have Norton Anti Virus 2003 and it is up to date. My last scan was a few days ago and all of my incoming AND outgoing mail is scanned before it goes out. I want you to know I know enough about the registry that if you simply told me what value to change or whatever I could easily go in there and do that. I do not know frankly at all whether this would solve my problem but I have to try something. PitStops Diag Test (and I did a bunch of em over there) said my drive was REALLY fragmented so I did Defrag. I got it o percentage of fragmentation but unfortunately that ain't the problem. I turned off system restore because I only have an eight gigabyte hard drive. There is no dust on the outside of the fans..No blockage. If anyone can help me please e-mail me and let me know. Thank you again for your assistance. Michael elikas1@comcast.net 609.695.0993 <img border="0" alt="cry" title="" src="graemlins/cry.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="woozy" title="" src="graemlins/woozy.gif" />
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#137598 - 06/07/03 11:36 PM Re: Please help with slow problem
Jenny100 Offline
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Registered: 10/24/00
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The problem may be related to the size of your hard drive. XP was really made for much larger hard drives than 8 GB. Did you check how much free space is left on your hard drive? A hard drive that is almost full will run slower.

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