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#881729 - 04/18/13 12:46 AM Re: Dracula 3: Path of the Dragon on Windows 7 [Re: Jenny100]
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Originally Posted By: Jenny100
Did you try running the game on the new computer using the old monitor? or on the old computer with the new monitor? That would tell you if there was a problem with converting the games to widescreen and higher resolutions. Otherwise comparing the performance of an old card on a low resolution monitor with the performance of a new card on a high resolution monitor while also requiring a change in aspect ratio isn't an equal comparison. But I wouldn't be too surprised if the old card still performed better on the new monitor, given the reputation of the newer Nvidia drivers.

I can't use the old 4:3 monitor on the new computer. The 4:3 monitor only has a VGA input, and the GTS450 in the new computer doesn't have a VGA output, only DVI. I could hook the old computer up to the widescreen monitor, but that's not going to prove anything, because the "old computer" is now the old refurbished Dell with the ATI video card, and this problem has never been reported to occur on non-Nvidia cards. The old computer with the 6200 Nvidia card is sitting on the floor in the junk room, having died of old age.

This is undoubtedly a driver problem. Back when this problem first surfaced, they even tracked down the driver version where the problem first started, and people were able to fix the problem by reverting to an old driver that predated the problem. This was even listed as the recommended solution on one of the Big Fish forums. If you go back to those old threads that I linked to earlier, you might remember that you were successful in tracking down an old driver for me; but, sad to say, it was too old to work with the GTS450.

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#881803 - 04/18/13 08:45 AM Re: Dracula 3: Path of the Dragon on Windows 7 [Re: Uncle Reg]
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Originally Posted By: Uncle Reg
I can't use the old 4:3 monitor on the new computer. The 4:3 monitor only has a VGA input, and the GTS450 in the new computer doesn't have a VGA output, only DVI.

I thought most video cards came with a DVI-to-VGA adapter. Mine always have. Not that I expect you to go out and buy one if you weren't supplied with one along with the computer. Maybe they don't always supply them with newer cards.

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The old computer with the 6200 Nvidia card is sitting on the floor in the junk room, having died of old age.

Oh well. So much for that test.

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This is undoubtedly a driver problem. Back when this problem first surfaced, they even tracked down the driver version where the problem first started, and people were able to fix the problem by reverting to an old driver that predated the problem. This was even listed as the recommended solution on one of the Big Fish forums. If you go back to those old threads that I linked to earlier, you might remember that you were successful in tracking down an old driver for me; but, sad to say, it was too old to work with the GTS450.

Yup. That's the problem with going back to older drivers from before the card was made. There IS a way to force an install of drivers that don't recognize a particular card by modifying the inf file of the drivers, but there's no guarantee those drivers would work properly with the much newer card. This is often done to adapt Nvidia drivers for laptops (***example***). However if the compatible drivers were for 32-bit Windows and you're currently using 64-bit, it might not work so well.

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#882204 - 04/20/13 01:27 AM Re: Dracula 3: Path of the Dragon on Windows 7 [Re: Jenny100]
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Originally Posted By: Jenny100
I thought most video cards came with a DVI-to-VGA adapter. Mine always have. Not that I expect you to go out and buy one if you weren't supplied with one along with the computer. Maybe they don't always supply them with newer cards.

You reminded me of a little bag of goodies that was left over after I got this computer hooked up two years ago; and, sure enough, there was a DVI-to-VGA adapter in there. I hooked up the 4:3 monitor to the GTS450, but the flickering was still there, exactly like on the widescreen monitor.

Originally Posted By: Jenny100
Yup. That's the problem with going back to older drivers from before the card was made. There IS a way to force an install of drivers that don't recognize a particular card by modifying the inf file of the drivers, but there's no guarantee those drivers would work properly with the much newer card. This is often done to adapt Nvidia drivers for laptops (***example***). However if the compatible drivers were for 32-bit Windows and you're currently using 64-bit, it might not work so well.

If I had known about that inf file trick 2 years ago when I was trying to find a solution to this problem, I might have tried it (the drivers that you found for me were listed as being Win7 64 bit compatible). But now, I have fixed the problem with the old refurbished Dell, which is running all 6 of those Kheops games perfectly. Best $100 I've spent in a long time. In addition to the Kheops games, I've got a handful of other old games working on it that wouldn't work on the Win7 computer. I just got finished playing Mystery Of The Druids, and I've also got running the DVD version of Traitor's Gate, and the DVD version of Dark Side Of The Moon, which up until 2 years ago wouldn't even work on XP, until Greyfuss found somebody who had got it to work. I've had that game for so long that I can't even remember where or when I bought it, and I've never played it.

I didn't really join in on this thread to try to find a solution to this problem. I only chimed in with my two cents worth to clear up an apparent misconception that this was a Windows 7 problem, although, I agree with you that anybody that's using an Nvidia card on Windows 7 is probably going to be stuck with drivers that are going to cause this problem, and the only known way to get around the problem is the "bFullScreen=0" workaround.

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#882301 - 04/20/13 11:55 AM Re: Dracula 3: Path of the Dragon on Windows 7 [Re: traveler]
Jenny100 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Uncle Reg
You reminded me of a little bag of goodies that was left over after I got this computer hooked up two years ago; and, sure enough, there was a DVI-to-VGA adapter in there. I hooked up the 4:3 monitor to the GTS450, but the flickering was still there, exactly like on the widescreen monitor.

So it's not a widescreen issue at all. Good to know.

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If I had known about that inf file trick 2 years ago when I was trying to find a solution to this problem, I might have tried it (the drivers that you found for me were listed as being Win7 64 bit compatible).

It's an interesting trick for people who don't mind tinkering with inf files. It's great for drivers that are compatible but not "officially" supported. If you ever try editing the inf file to install older drivers in order to play a game, let us know how it works.

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But now, I have fixed the problem with the old refurbished Dell, which is running all 6 of those Kheops games perfectly. Best $100 I've spent in a long time.

Sometimes using an old computer is the easiest.

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