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#882050 - 04/19/13 12:03 PM Re: Rumor: Microsoft Bringing Back the Start Button With Windows Blue [Re: Jenny100]
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Originally Posted By: Jenny100
Originally Posted By: Kaki's Sister
Change is good.

I disagree with that.
When change reduces productivity in the office and usefulness at home, it is bad.
Change for the sake of change is a waste of time and money for the consumer.


Good you said "for the consumer" Jenny, because it isn't for the developer or seller. And this is the root of the problem.

I don't begrudge businesses for needing to make a profit in order to keep their doors open, they have, after all, a need to pay all of their bills. But it's when profits become the sole reason for keeping the doors open that is the crux of the problem.

I'm not so sure this is seen in small businesses, but know for sure it can, and does, happen in corporations. It's not good enough any longer for share holders to recoup only a small portion of their investments over a long period of time. They want to recoup their investments now, immediately, if not sooner. In short, they've seen one good size gain, so they want an even larger one. Now.

And the only way to do that is to force corporations into areas they aren't prepared to enter, or have no interest in.

Then comes one other factor in this whole "got to have it now" system, the consumer. Or those who have been harpooned into believing they can't live without out it; the only thing they can't live without are food, air, shelter, and water.

Clever advertising houses learned early on that if they play to the vanity of the consumer, some more than others, they could persuade many to keep buying something when a new something was released onto the market. It didn't matter their old something still worked like it should, it didn't matter nothing had really changed with the newer model, it was solely because it was the newer model and they were going to be the first, hopefully, to have it. They'd be the envy of their circle of other "got to have it" friends, and would obtain the status of leader of the pack until someone beat them in the next rounds of "who bought it first."

Greed, excess profits, and vanity are three things which cause many to enter into an area that didn't have their name on it. It blinds many into thinking if they did well in this area, they can do well in that area. It also blinds many to forget how they got where they were, before following the rest of the pack to the precipice. But at what price?

Change occurs and it cannot be altered. Days change, weeks change, years change, we change, and those things are unalterable. What is alterable is how we react to technology by asking ourselves a simple question--do I really need it, and why? If you need it because it's the latest and greatest, or really cool, then you need to rethink your priorities. If you need it because it's part of your job, then that's reason enough.

Technology, like the weather, will change, has changed, but it's up to the consumer how fast it will occur. And whether or not it will be a boon or a bane. And the only way consumers can control the speed of change is with their wallets, and a careful inspection of themselves to find out "do I really NEED this."
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#882056 - 04/19/13 01:07 PM Re: Rumor: Microsoft Bringing Back the Start Button With Windows Blue [Re: Donald]
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Originally Posted By: Homer6
Good you said "for the consumer" Jenny, because it isn't for the developer or seller. And this is the root of the problem.

The "consumer" isn't always a home user. Consumers include the employees that have to use whatever version of Office (or whatever software) their companies are using and have installed on their computers. If a new interface causes an employee to require an hour to complete the work he could previously accomplish in 6 minutes, it's not beneficial to the company. That's something intelligent company managers consider before upgrading to newer software -- how many production hours are wasted while employees struggle with trying to do their jobs while learning an unfamiliar interface?

People still complain about the "ribbon" interface in MS Office products, even after they've been forced to use it for years. They claim it "looks pretty" for inexperienced users who only use a few capabilities, but it takes many more clicks and gyrations to get to the advanced settings they need for their work. It wasn't an improvement over the old interface, but Microsoft still doesn't give users the choice of buying updated versions of Office products with the original interface.

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#882203 - 04/20/13 01:13 AM Re: Rumor: Microsoft Bringing Back the Start Button With Windows Blue [Re: Jenny100]
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While companies do buy software, I don't lump them in with home computer users. They're in a class all their own.

Many times they aren't given a choice which software to buy, they're told. And it doesn't matter if an intelligent office manager tells the higher ups what they're buying is a piece of garbage, they're told use it, period.

And it gets even worse when it's a corporation, snail pace worse. There were times in my 34 years with a corporation, we thought someone up high had stock in this or that company. Because we'd get word a new software was being placed on our computers, and we'd end up spending more time trying to figure out how to make it work for our application. And screaming about the problems did no good. Call tech support.

To me, a consumer is one who can make whatever choices they want in the type of computer or software they want to use. They have no board of directors, stockholders, or manager telling them who, what, when or how.
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#882307 - 04/20/13 12:06 PM Re: Rumor: Microsoft Bringing Back the Start Button With Windows Blue [Re: Homer6]
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Originally Posted By: Homer6
And it gets even worse when it's a corporation, snail pace worse. There were times in my 34 years with a corporation, we thought someone up high had stock in this or that company. Because we'd get word a new software was being placed on our computers, and we'd end up spending more time trying to figure out how to make it work for our application. And screaming about the problems did no good. Call tech support.

Tech support usually knows full well the problems that can come with newer software. But not all tech support people are able to explain to management all the ways the company will lose money by upgrading. That's assuming that management doesn't have a stake in upgrading (like stock in the company that's selling the new software).

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#882412 - 04/20/13 06:41 PM Re: Rumor: Microsoft Bringing Back the Start Button With Windows Blue [Re: Donald]
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I like the way you think Kaki' Sister!

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#882449 - 04/21/13 02:36 AM Re: Rumor: Microsoft Bringing Back the Start Button With Windows Blue [Re: Jenny100]
Homer6 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jenny100
Originally Posted By: Homer6
And it gets even worse when it's a corporation, snail pace worse. There were times in my 34 years with a corporation, we thought someone up high had stock in this or that company. Because we'd get word a new software was being placed on our computers, and we'd end up spending more time trying to figure out how to make it work for our application. And screaming about the problems did no good. Call tech support.

Tech support usually knows full well the problems that can come with newer software. But not all tech support people are able to explain to management all the ways the company will lose money by upgrading. That's assuming that management doesn't have a stake in upgrading (like stock in the company that's selling the new software).


That's assuming upper management whats to listen. When upper management gets a wild hair, tech support doesn't tell them the troubles using this or that software, upper management tells tech support to make it work. Upper management usually cause more problems than they know when they refuse to listen to 1) tech support and 2) THOSE WHO WILL ACTUALLY USE THE SOFTWARE. Because software is being forced to do something it wasn't designed to do, those actually using the software spend more time trying to use it in order to follow guidelines send from upper management. As a result, upper management, when reviewing the numbers, wonder why peoples' production numbers are low and refuse to believe it's from any decision they made.
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#882470 - 04/21/13 06:27 AM Re: Rumor: Microsoft Bringing Back the Start Button With Windows Blue [Re: Donald]
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Thanks oldbroad! wave
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#882496 - 04/21/13 10:18 AM Re: Rumor: Microsoft Bringing Back the Start Button With Windows Blue [Re: Donald]
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That's true, Homer6. And those are the companies that lose money. At the other extreme you have companies that use software that is no longer getting security updates and is using lower encryption standards -- and is therefore vulnerable to having passwords and financial information of their clients stolen. But upgrading can be hugely expensive if a company is using custom software that does not work on newer operating systems.

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