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#903794 - 07/26/13 05:06 AM games for newbies
Antoinetta Offline
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If we are talking about recommending games to Newbies, I’ll be looking at somewhat easier games, rather than simply my all-time favourites. Some of these are older games, but all are playable on Windows XP, and almost all on Windows 7, my current operating system.

Draculas 1 + 2 – These were sold as separate games, but the second one takes off on the exact same scene that the first first one leaves off; as far as I am concerned both are actually a single game.

Agatha Christie III (Evil Under the Sun)
Agon (Mysterious Codex)
Atlantis IV
Atlantis V
Aura II (Aura I is too difficult for Newbies, and Aura II will play well as a standalone)
Cameron Files II: Loch Ness
Darkness Within I (Loath Nolder) (Darkness Within II is too difficult for Newbies)
Gabriel Knight III
Jack the Ripper
Journeyman Project III: Legacy of Time
Lost Horizon
Messenger
Necronomicon
Nibiru
Post Mortem
Return to Mysterious Island I (RMI II is altogether too difficult for Newbies)
Secret Files I: Tunguska

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Edited by MaG (07/26/13 08:57 AM)
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#903812 - 07/26/13 08:59 AM Re: games for newbies [Re: Antoinetta]
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Thanks.

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#903859 - 07/26/13 12:22 PM Re: games for newbies [Re: Antoinetta]
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Hoo! You're going to get an argument from me about how 'easy' those are, Antoinetta! laugh
For instance, Evil Under the Sun is very unforgiving. You do everything in exactly the right order or you do not progress.
Gabriel Knight 3 has that awful, hard, unending computer puzzle which MaG probably breezed through and you may have, too, but the rest of us - not hardly.
It also offers probably the stupidest puzzle ever in computer games. (Cat hair, for crying out loud?)
And why, oh why, did Jane Jensen have to experiment with 3D?

That said, I agree that the annual competition is most often a list of favorites rather than easier games well suited to someone new to adventures, but IMO, it doesn't matter.
What does matter is that a game grabs and holds the one playing it.
Grim Fandango is not the easiest game by any stretch of the imagination but it was my first and it hooked me on the genre though it took me forever to finish.
And then I was sorry I had.
So, you never can tell what will hook a new player and start them on the road to BAAGs.
IMO, the list does what it should do, offer suggestions of games we'd recommend for anyone who'd like to dip a toe into adventurous waters.
Oh, and let flotsam get another plug in for Isabelle. grin

Gil.
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#903864 - 07/26/13 01:07 PM Re: games for newbies [Re: traveler]
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The easiest adventure game I have ever played was Road to India, and I enjoyed it very much. Unfortunately it's a game from 2001 and I have no idea what newer systems it might run on (unless you were to run it in an emulator, like Virtual PC).

a player's review

I also remember thinking that the game was too short and that I wished it had been longer (it was gratifying not to have to look at a walkthrough frequently). wave


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#903872 - 07/26/13 01:32 PM Re: games for newbies [Re: Antoinetta]
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I agree that Evil Under the Sun would likely be a difficult game for someone new to adventuring. It has an awful lot of to-ing and fro-ing to try the patience. It's an enjoyable game but nitpicky, as Gil says.

Aura II and Darkness Within I are also challenging games. (At least, I thought so!)

I would, however, concur with Antoinetta that Dracula: Resurrection would be an ideal early choice for any new gamer. NiBiRu too, possibly, as it is so linear.

I loved Road to India and have played it more than a few times. laugh I must haul it out and see if it installs on my Win 7.
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#903934 - 07/26/13 06:34 PM Re: games for newbies [Re: Antoinetta]
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I am thinking maybe, Amerzone,Scratches, Sherlock Holmes Mystery of the Mummy, The Cameron Files and the Carol Reed Mysteries. I also enjoyed Jazz and Faust and do not remember it being difficult. These are all older games, except for Carol Reed, and I do not know if they will play on the newer machines.
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#903967 - 07/26/13 10:46 PM Re: games for newbies [Re: Antoinetta]
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Well, some easy games I liked where:
"So Blonde" (may be hard to get to work) &
"Captain Morgane and The Golden Turtle"

Then of course there's all the Nancy Drew games.
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#903968 - 07/26/13 11:00 PM Re: games for newbies [Re: misslilo]
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The Carol Reed games are an excellent suggestion !! thumbsup
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#904153 - 07/27/13 05:59 PM Re: games for newbies [Re: Antoinetta]
Antoinetta Offline
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I see we have different ideas about what is "Easy."

Of the three Agatha Christies, I felt that Evil Under the Sun was a somewhat longer game that with perseverance the new player could work through. Many good games for newbies are also older and shorter games; I can play through Dracula I in just over an hour.

I felt that Aura II was much more playable for newbies because it doesn't have the several game-stopper puzzles the first game does.

Recommending even a largely easy game that contains just a single game-stopper puzzle seems likely to lead to frustration and people just giving up on the genre.

And Missilo, you consider the Nancy Drews to be EASY. I have found them to be more frustrating than any game discussed on this thread.

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#904154 - 07/27/13 06:06 PM Re: games for newbies [Re: Antoinetta]
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"Easy" can indeed be subjective. I wish I could say that I had ever gotten through a Nancy Drew game without looking at a walkthrough, but I have not. grin

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#904159 - 07/27/13 06:27 PM Re: games for newbies [Re: Antoinetta]
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Let's see, easy games eh... You might try The Book of Unwritten Tales (1 & 2) as well as the Deponia series. If you can still find them, Kyrandia was a good set of games as well.

I enjoyed them all, but then again most of the games I play are generally to take a break at the end of the day.

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#904337 - 07/28/13 08:51 PM Re: games for newbies [Re: Antoinetta]
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I only play the HOGs of Agatha Christie (I loved Death On The Nile and Peril At End House (which might not be the easiest of those) but I agree with Traveler about some of the others as well: Post Mortem was no picnic (a great game though) and I recently replayed Journeyman 3 (Legacy) and got so stuck I had to replay it just to finish it! I didn't even know you could foul yourself up so badly in that game!

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#904389 - 07/29/13 09:01 AM Re: games for newbies [Re: Antoinetta]
Antoinetta Offline
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HOGs are, at best ersatz Adventure games, and their discussion belongs in a non-adventure location in the Forums, IMHO.

I hope HOGs are not becoming an overall deterioration of the genre. In the past several years I have seen:

Frogwares degrade Sherlock Holmes to a HOG (Baskerville Hall, which would have made a great REAL Adventure game.

City Interactive degrading the Art of Murder and the Chronicles of Mystery series to HOGs.

At least the Agatha Christie HOGs are older games, predating the three real games.

Post Mortem is indeed a great game, as is Journeyman III, but alas, I cannot get the latter to run on Windows 7. Any advice here would be greatly appreciated.

Antoinetta III


Edited by Antoinetta (07/29/13 09:01 AM)

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#904397 - 07/29/13 09:59 AM Re: games for newbies [Re: Antoinetta]
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I wouldn't agree with you that Sherlock Holmes was "degraded". The Baskerville casual game wasn't intended as a replacement for a full length Holmes adventure. We already have a long-running and continuing series of Frogwares Holmes adventures. The seventh game in the series is currently in development. laugh If Frogwares choose to also produce the occasional casual game with the same character, then that's excellent, I think. More choice for everyone!
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#904402 - 07/29/13 10:07 AM Re: games for newbies [Re: Antoinetta]
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I wasn't discussing HOGs, just mentioning that they were the only Agatha Christie games I've played. Newbies might like them (or not). The games I mentioned (Death On The Nile and Peril At End House) are real games following the stories completely and done very well, especially 'Death...'. The artwork and music were exceptional.

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