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#942571 - 03/01/14 11:26 AM Re: New PC [Re: Winfrey]
Jenny100 Offline
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I use ***StartIsBack*** to make Windows 8 look more like Windows 7. It's not free, but it's low price (though it's gone up in price since I bought it). They keep it up to date, so there's a version for 8.1 as well as a version for 8 (in case you bought the original Windows 8 and haven't updated). I originally wanted the Windows-looking Start button, which is/was available as a separate download. But then decided I liked the clover better anyway.

For a free one, I'd recommend ***Classic Shell***. It doesn't look quite as pretty as StartIsBack, however it has a lot more options. It allows you to tweak your Windows Explorer to be like the one in Windows 7 or XP. It has the option to show the full path in the address bar instead of the "breadcrumbs" display without having to click on the address bar each and every time.

If anyone has managed to play Still Life in Windows 8 or 8.1, I'd like to know how they did it. The only person I know who managed to do it had a pre-release version of Windows 8. Post Mortem seems to have the same problem. Windows 8 and 8.1 have fewer compatibility settings than earlier versions of Windows. The Windows NT and Windows 2000 compatibility modes that got some games working in Windows 7 are gone from Windows 8, and any game that needed them won't work.

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#942599 - 03/01/14 12:41 PM Re: New PC [Re: Winfrey]
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I use Start8 which is $4.99 I think. I do find it kind of handy when I want to do something and don't want to leave the desktop. Classic Shell is also a great alternative, but I found it a little daunting - probably because there are so many options!
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#942601 - 03/01/14 12:50 PM Re: New PC [Re: Jenny100]
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Originally Posted By: Jenny100

If anyone has managed to play Still Life in Windows 8 or 8.1, I'd like to know how they did it. The only person I know who managed to do it had a pre-release version of Windows 8. Post Mortem seems to have the same problem. Windows 8 and 8.1 have fewer compatibility settings than earlier versions of Windows. The Windows NT and Windows 2000 compatibility modes that got some games working in Windows 7 are gone from Windows 8, and any game that needed them won't work.


Did you ever give this a shot?

Windows components installed on demand

Two Windows components will be installed on demand in Windows 8.1: DirectPlay and NTVDM. These components are listed within Optional Components under the “Legacy Components” node. These components are installed locally as part of the operating system, and compressed as optional components. When an app references or calls one of these components (usually at first launch of the app), installation is triggered automatically. Users will be notified that the component will be installed, and they must confirm the action in order to proceed. Elevation is required for this to succeed if the user is not an administrator. After the initial installation, the user does not need to perform any other actions to use the component again.

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#942621 - 03/01/14 02:43 PM Re: New PC [Re: Winfrey]
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After installing Windows 8.1 and reinstalling Still Life, DirectPlay installed automatically. However there was no change in the behavior of the game. It still gave me the black screen on startup -- unless I used Win 95 compatibility, in which case it would freeze as soon as Victoria tries to talk to the guy at the door.

If I go in Control Panel --> Legacy Components
DirectPlay is listed and checked.
NTVDM is not listed.
From what I can tell from Google searches, 64-bit Windows 8.1 does not include NTVDM as an option.

Still Life plays fine on 64-bit Windows 7 (same computer has a triple boot), and the GOG version automatically sets compatibility mode to Windows NT.

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#942632 - 03/01/14 03:46 PM Re: New PC [Re: Winfrey]
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I can assume that you installed DirectX 9 at some point, so I'm stumped, it played fine for me. The only other thing I can think of is the video driver, and finding an older driver that runs on Windows 8 will be a problem.

Microsoft has really made a mess of things lately.

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#942642 - 03/01/14 04:22 PM Re: New PC [Re: InlandAZ]
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Originally Posted By: InlandAZ
I can assume that you installed DirectX 9 at some point, so I'm stumped,

Yes. I've installed and played several games from GOG on it -- from older ones like Atlantis 2 (Beyond Atlantis) to newer ones like Memoria.

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it played fine for me.

On the 64-bit version of Windows 8 updated to 8.1?
Did NTVDM install on yours? If it did, that could be the difference.

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The only other thing I can think of is the video driver, and finding an older driver that runs on Windows 8 will be a problem.

Yes it will, though in my case I can boot to my Windows 7 partition where Still Life plays just fine. I could check the date of the drivers, but I doubt they'd be that different since I set up the dual boot at around the same time.

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Microsoft has really made a mess of things lately.

No kidding. They were premature to think everyone wants a tablet OS. And why would they remove the Windows NT and 2000 compatibility? Do you know if NT/2000 compatibility was included in the Windows 8 preview version?

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#942647 - 03/01/14 04:40 PM Re: New PC [Re: Winfrey]
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Couldn't agree more - the more they tried to stuff this down everyone's throat's the more push back they got. I don't understand why they didn't just give us an option to boot to desktop or the Start page the first time. I'm trying to remember if Windows 8 had those compatibilities... but I'm drawing a blank.
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#942648 - 03/01/14 04:44 PM Re: New PC [Re: Draclvr]
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
I'm trying to remember if Windows 8 had those compatibilities... but I'm drawing a blank.

The compatibility options are the same on Windows 8 and 8.1.
I definitely checked that, since I was hoping getting 8.1 would fix the problem with Still Life.

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#942649 - 03/01/14 04:49 PM Re: New PC [Re: Winfrey]
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Sorry, I meant the preview version of Windows 8... but that would be requiring my rememberer to work more than a year and a half back!
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#942799 - 03/02/14 11:13 AM Re: New PC [Re: Winfrey]
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On the 64-bit version of Windows 8 updated to 8.1?
Did NTVDM install on yours? If it did, that could be the difference.


It is a Windows 8.1 Pro install (no updates from 8.0) - NTVDM is not installed.

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Do you know if NT/2000 compatibility was included in the Windows 8 preview version?


I don't believe it was -


Edited by InlandAZ (03/02/14 12:37 PM)

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#942890 - 03/02/14 07:33 PM Re: New PC [Re: Winfrey]
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Um... Hey Drac - You don't happen to have a copy of the game do you?

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#942895 - 03/02/14 08:00 PM Re: New PC [Re: Winfrey]
Draclvr Offline
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No, I sure don't.. sorry.
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#942896 - 03/02/14 08:16 PM Re: New PC [Re: Winfrey]
Jenny100 Offline
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This is a good time to get it.
Currently on sale for only $2.99 at GOG ($7.00 off).
http://www.gog.com/game/still_life

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