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Temple of Elemental Evil - Official Thread #126879
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Okay, I'm being presumptious calling this the official thread, but I'm guessing I am the only person who got this game today, so I'll start the running commentary.

Installed fine, but I had to let it install Direct X 9 since that was required...

Opening cinematic was awesome.

I only played the tutorial so far...couldn't figure out how to cast Magic Missile, the icon seemed to be missing! Otherwise, good introduction to basic interface and combat actions.

You can change the screen resolution and scroll speed, which I did, but I might go back to 800X600 since the text was quite small at 1024X768.

I know this will be a complex combat system, so I'll be reading the 100+ page manual now...*sigh*

I hate reading manuals.


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Re: Temple of Elemental Evil - Official Thread #126880
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Schwab, lol
Have fun
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Well, clearly I need a better graphics card, this game slows down to a crawl in more graphics-intensive areas.
The box states 64MB card is recommended and I only have 32MB...

I formed a typical party just to start exploring:

Dwarf fighter
Human monk
Human cleric
Halfling rogue
Elf sorceror

The attribute score system is interesting, you have a choice of rolling stats or using the "point buy" system. You can roll any number of times until you see numbers you like, then stick them in the slots of your choice (strength, wisdom etc.).
Point buy is more difficult since the more you put in one stat, the more points it takes to raise the stat, so I've been using roll for each character.

More later!


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Re: Temple of Elemental Evil - Official Thread #126882
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Schwab,

nice well rounded party you have there.

is the point buy system similar to the way it was in neverwiner nights? I think it was after 14 it cost 2 points to raise an attribute.

what size monitor do you have? to get an idea what is small for you what resolution did you use in morrowind or NWN?

Keep those impressions coming!


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Re: Temple of Elemental Evil - Official Thread #126883
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Zanthia, the point buy system boils down to this:

You are startng with an 8 in every attribute, then:
9-14 is 1 point each, 15-16 is 2 and 17-18 is 3. Or:

Score - Cost:
9 - 1
10 - 2
11 - 3
12 - 4
13 - 5
14 - 6
15 - 8
16 - 10
17 - 13
18 - 16

And you have 25 points to burn.

Didn't seem like enough points to me.

My monitor is flat screen, 14 ". I am sticking with 800X600 res which makes dialogue bigger and the characters are more visible.

I'm running around Hommlet now, there are some quests there, none too interesting, and the dialogue is a bit shallow and anachronistic:

Quest giver NPC: Thank you so much for your kind help!
My rogue: You bet!

"You bet"?


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Re: Temple of Elemental Evil - Official Thread #126884
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Amazon.com and EB games say the game ships withing 24 hours. Has anyone received their game
yet? I did the dreaded pre-order so I should be
first in line, but it doesn't show that it shipped.

Re: Temple of Elemental Evil - Official Thread #126885
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Debra, you haven't got an e.mail confirming shipment yet?
Some people at the Atari forums had gotten confirmation a few days ago.


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Re: Temple of Elemental Evil - Official Thread #126886
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I don't how many hours I've been playing now, but my party just hit level 3 (whoo hoo!).

This game is unforgiving, if you don't know D&D rules, or don't read the manual you will have a HARD time. I'm still learning about the different skills, feats, spells, and numerous combat actions all while working around game flaws and bugs, but it's still pretty fun.

Let me give an example of how complicated this game is. From the manual:

"TOTAL DEFENSE: You can defend yourself as a standard action, which gives a +4 dodge bonus to your AC for one round. Your AC improves at the start of this action, so it helps you against any attacks of opportunity you incur during the round. You can't combine total defense with fighting defensively or with the benefit of the Combat Expertise feat (since both of those require you to declare an attack or full attack). You can't make attacks of opportunity while using total defense."

And this is just one of the Standard Actions, which is a SUBSET of normal actions. Whew.


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Re: Temple of Elemental Evil - Official Thread #126887
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schwab,

this sounds like one game reading the manual thoroughly is going to be required.

i don't know a thing about 3.5 rules. the example you gave, i don't even really understand it. don't even bother trying to explain it.

level 3 is pretty good--you've made some very good progress.


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I cancelled my order at Amazon.com and went to my local Game Stop and bought the only copy they had.
I thought I was doing something wrong in the tutorial because I couldn't find the magic icon.
Then I came back here and found Schwab was having the same problem. I think they must have left
the magic icon off the radial menu in the tutorial. I got slaughtered by the zombies while trying to figure out how to move and the time limit thing.
I have created my usual two tanks, a cleric, a sorceror and thief party all from scratch. Now,
I'm going back to read the manual.
Combat seems so confusing with these radial menus.
It is beautiful to look at so far and I like the music. I wish the portraits were better;more artsy.

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Yea, finally someone else is playing!
Debra, those radial menus are pretty ugly to me, but I learned something useful, if you right click-hold on one of the buttons and drag you can move the radial menu around the screen. This helps you see all the options as they "fan" out.

I never really liked the portraits either, and there is a pretty sorry selection too. I assume at some point someone will figure out a way to download custom portraits.
I love the Icewind Dale portraits, they spoiled me.

By all means, read the manual. I haven't read the whole thing, I've sort of been playing and reading together. I just won a boss fight with a special attack against a spellcaster called "ready vs. spell" which worked beautifully. I'm not having too much trouble with the combat so far, but I'm going real slow and still getting used to it.

Be sure to do as many quests in Hommlet as you can, they can help level your party up for the combat areas. Unfortunately, the quests aren't too well designed and some of them appear to be un-finishable.

Let me know if you get stuck.


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Re: Temple of Elemental Evil - Official Thread #126890
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this is really strange that the retail version has the magic icon missing in the tutorial yet in the kazaa download the magic icon was there and i was able to cast magic missile. yet i still got slaughtered by the huge group of zombies in the tutorial.


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Well, I've been killing my own people right along.
This is the first RPG I've played where you can do
that. The radial menu can cause you to do it if
you're not careful.
I've learned you don't have to use that menu everytime you can just click on the enemy and get the job done.
The scenery is beautiful where I am but the town
is very strung out. I think I've taken on 10 quests so far; give or take a few.
It's hard to come up with money as you can't find it in barrels or on the ground. Some bad guys have some on them. Things are expensive as usual
and charisma really matters at the stores to get the best prices. Prices will vary from character to character in your party when you're shopping.
I wish I had more potients. My cleric only has
one spell for healing. Trying to sleep is perilous most of the time and it only raise your
HP 1 or 2 at the most.
Well, these are my random and scattered thoughts
so far.
I am enjoying myself and having fun learning the
ropes.
What do you think so far Schwab? Where have you
been?

Re: Temple of Elemental Evil - Official Thread #126892
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Debra, I was getting tired of running around Hommlet until I noticed that you can hop around the town on the world map, check it out, much faster. You can hop to the north part near the temple, the south part near the inn, or east right near the tower.

The most important skill for buying/selling is "appraise" and my rogue has that skill as well as diplomacy, bluff etc, so she is the spokesperson of the group.

On the subject of healing, do you know about spontaneous casting? If you press SHIFT while in the cleric's radial spell menu, you will see the spells change to all healing spells (different for each level). What I do is memorize all the non-healing spells I want to use (bless, doom, spiritual weapon) and then if I need to, press shift to switch to healing spells and cast. Of course, you lose whatever spell was in that slot. Unless you're an evil cleric, then you would get inflict wounds instead of cure wounds, but I'm assuming your party is good/neutral.

They didn't want to make this game easy at all, your party doesn't completely heal when they rest for 8 hours even if you have a cleric (unlike BG2). If you "rest until healed" your party sleeps for a friggin' week.

Another problem with this game is it doesn't light up doors/chests/loot consistently, so you may miss some stuff. This is a problem with one quest in Hommlet specifically and I had to go to Atari forums to find out what to do...let me know if you get stuck...

Don't worry too much about money, this game is pretty good with the loot once you leave the town and start your killing spree. My party has over $10k gold and we're level 4.

I'm having a blast so far, though some of the fights require the old try/reload/buff/try again to win. We've done the moathouse and we're now in Nulb, a kind of port town not unlike Montaillou in Lionheart.


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Re: Temple of Elemental Evil - Official Thread #126893
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Thanks for the Shift thing. That will really help.
What can you do for an unconscious party member?
Nothing seems to help and like you say you can
sleep for a week and not heal up plus if you're in the wilderness you just get attacked over and over while trying to heal one member.
Right now, I'm just doing a walkabout. I've got
the quests, but I'm learning the interface.
You're right they made it hard, but I'm not having
as much combat difficulty as I did in Lionheart well.....so far laugh
One problem I'm having is with a swimming mouse if you know what I mean. It doesn't happen all the time, but when it does it's most inconvenient.

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Oh God, I hate the slow mouse, in some areas (near the Druid's cottage) it slows to a crawl. I just avoid that area if I can. People are complaining about it but I haven't seen any concrete solutions for it. So many people are experiencing it that it must be a game problem, which they really should fix.

If someone's unconscious, you can try using the cleric's heal skill (not spell). The heal skill is located on the radial menu (anvil button)and if your cleric has points in that skill they can try to revive, or "stabilize" an unconscious character.


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Re: Temple of Elemental Evil - Official Thread #126895
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I must not have enough points in heal yet 'cause
nothing works.
Maybe a patch will be forthcoming for the mouse
if there's lots of people having the problem.
I experienced it in the tower with the poison spider, the Druid area and those Meadows where you
go with the Sage to get the Wizard scrolls. I thought it was maybe my computer, but I'm glad to
know that's not the problem.

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Schwab, do you know where I can get the no cd patch for this game? My game is now crashing on
launch and I can't fix it. I went to the Atari
board but I can't find the unofficial patch they
mention that might fix it.

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on the atari forum i read something about the mouse scroll and that the setting for 1 and 5 were bugged so if you have your setting on them try changing it and see if that improves it.


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You're talking about going in under options in ToEE? I can't even get there anymore it just won't launch period. Someone said something about the SecureRom disk protection which is OK if you don't want people to copy the thing. I just want to play it for crying out loud.
I read on the Atari forum that there is a chance that there will be no patches. I have never heard of such a thing. I am so frustrated. I think if you weren't going to offer support in the form of patches for your crappy programming job you should have told people ahead of time and
saved us all a lot of coin and misery.
I'm almost ready to champion Lionheart cause at least it played.

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debra,

another case of copy protection messing with legit owners of the game. i have read that many were having problems with the securerom.


check this thread out. it has what you are looking for.


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Thanks Zanthia, I didn't even know where to start looking for this "crack" download.

Hope that helps Debra!

I sincerely hope Troika can convince Atari to license patches, this game seriously needs them.
From what I've seen the designers are good people and would help if they could, but the publisher controls patches so we'll have to wait and see.

There are quest bugs where I am in the game now and it's frustrating when you have done what's needed and can't get the XP!


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Re: Temple of Elemental Evil - Official Thread #126901
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Could someone tell me what they mean about going deep to find the exe files? I've looked through
all the files in the game and I don't find an exe.
How do I use this crack, Zanthia??? I am so confused.

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Back again. I got the crack and opened it into
the ToEE file. It says I don't have a particular
.dll, but the one it's saying I don't have is in the same file folder I downloaded it to. What am
I doing wrong? Do I need to remove some other file that represents the .exe file of ToEE before
I use the crack file?

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debra,

he was referring to homeworld 2 not greyhawk. greyhawks exe file is in the root directory. the name is ToEE.exe. Back up this file. I like to have it renamed. call it something like ToEE_orig.exe or anything you want. You need to use winace or winrar to decompress the crack. I am pretty sure winzip will not work. Then copy the crack over and hopefully all you problems will be solved.


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