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Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123174
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The page doesn't need updating. It's an archive.
But the patches are gone today.

Yesterday all I had to do was click the blue "Mirror 1" links, but today the patches are gone.

However the links from the current site seem to work, though you have to go through several clicks to different pages.
http://www.patches-scrolls.de/patch/4390/7/

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Jenny100] #1123328
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Thanks. Haven't tried it, but Administrator did say in response to a query that the download should be working "now." So apparently they *are* aware of the problem. Meanwhile, restarted my Time Machine game, and ran into my first glitch that has occurred maybe once in the past also - a cutscene is not kicking in, without which cannot proceed further in the game. Also the game crashed. So not sure whether the patch is doing much good, if any ... :(

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123334
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I'm sorry to hear that the game messed up already.
These patches were from around the time the game was released.
Time120.zip and timeusfix.zip both have files from year 2000 in them.

They aren't modern patches for modern problems -- or even for XP-related problems. XP was released in October 2001 according to Wikipedia -- after the patches were released. So the patches are for problems that happened on Windows 95 and 98. The problems may also happen on XP and later, but the patches were made for Windows 95 and 98.

You can try the Compatibility settings Inferno suggested for XP ***here***

I notice Inferno used compatibility settings on the Setup/installer on the CD, but not the game. She also used compatibility mode on the patches before running them. But I don't see that she used compatibility mode on the game itself once it was installed and patched.

It was so much easier running these games back when everyone had Windows 95 or 98 and a computer that wasn't 16 times as fast as what the game was made for. Cryo's 3D games seem particularly difficult to get running right on modern computers -- moreso than their earlier point-and-clicks.

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123363
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Sounds rather complicated, Jenny... At least for me. But sure do appreciate it! How did you find this gem?!! I mean really. Would have been nice if I'd known about it before. But I've already started the game, and you did say that you have to do everything she suggests before even installing the game. So it seems best to continue with Marian's patch and ... hope for the best, I guess...

I was really amused by her description of cleaning out the ol' computer. That's exactly what I do!!! So that felt pretty good - like someone patting on your back. LOL laugh

Thanks once again, Jenny. You're really nice, and I can't tell you how much I appreciate your help. smile

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123364
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Originally Posted By: Zurreen
How did you find this gem?!!

You mean Inferno's site?
Inferno used to be a Gameboomers Glitches moderator, and created the "Inferno's Adventures" website to help people get their older games working on Windows XP.

The original website is gone now (gives a 403 error) but is archived at archive.org.
The index to the archive of Inferno's site is ***here***. It might help you get some other old games working on your XP computer.

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Jenny100] #1123365
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"It might help you get some other old games working on your XP computer." [How do you get the quote to appear in a box? When I highlighted it and hit "quote" or "quick quote," it quoted your whole message - and no grey box.]

That would truly be wonderful as I have a lot of old games. In fact, those were the good old gaming days, weren't they? It's hard to even find an adventure game anymore. And those that are in the making seem to continue to *be* in the making forever!

Have you ever tried any of the Inferno's patches? Do they really work? If so, which games have you tried them on?

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123366
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Originally Posted By: Zurreen
"It might help you get some other old games working on your XP computer." [How do you get the quote to appear in a box? When I highlighted it and hit "quote" or "quick quote," it quoted your whole message - and no grey box.]

I make the quotes manually. Type in
[ q u o t e ] whatever text you want to quote [ / q u o t e ]
without the extra spaces.

If you want to say who the quote is from, type
[ q u o t e = name ] instead of [ q u o t e ]
at the beginning. The [ / q u o t e ] part at the end is the same.

You can use the "Preview Post" button to see how it's going to look.

Originally Posted By: Zurreen
That would truly be wonderful as I have a lot of old games. In fact, those were the good old gaming days, weren't they?

Yes, nearly all my favorite games were made for Windows 98 and earlier, 1990's to early 2000's. But I also liked Kheops' games and some of the Daedalic games (Dark Eye: Memoria, Night of the Rabbit).

Originally Posted By: Zurreen
Have you ever tried any of the Inferno's patches? Do they really work? If so, which games have you tried them on?

The patches weren't made by Inferno. She used patches from other sites and linked to them. The patches she recommended for New Adventures of the Time Machine are the same ones as at patches-scrolls.de. What was different about her procedure was that she used compatibility mode on the patches before running them.

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Jenny100] #1123372
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Thank you for *all* the information. You are truly great! joy

Now let's see if I can practice your quotation instructions! lol

Originally Posted By: Jenny
Yes, nearly all my favorite games were made for Windows 98 and earlier, 1990's to early 2000's. But I also liked Kheops' games and some of the Daedalic games (Dark Eye: Memoria, Night of the Rabbit).


I started playing games late 2001, but I do have a lot of games made for Windows 95 and 98. In fact, I wanted to complete my Broken Sword series, and two of the games were really old. Would you believe when I tried to install them, the system said I did not have enough RAM and that I needed 256KB? I was installing on XP, so in fact I had way more than that, of course! lol But I did get my XP to play the game just fine. XP, at least the original service pack, was truly wonderful, wasn't it? <sigh>

Btw: which Kheops' games are you referring to? If I remember correctly, one of them was Riddle of the Sphinx, wasn't it? Did you play that one? How did you like it? And what others? Maybe I can still get them from Amazon.

Just previewed my message, and - hey, I did it! Thanks so much! dance

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123409
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Originally Posted By: Zurreen
Btw: which Kheops' games are you referring to? If I remember correctly, one of them was Riddle of the Sphinx, wasn't it? Did you play that one? How did you like it? And what others? Maybe I can still get them from Amazon.

Riddle of the Sphinx was made by Omni Creative Group.
There were several re-issues of Riddle of the Sphinx.
The original version had 3 CD's and was in a big box.
Omni made a second game, The Omega Stone, but no more after that.

Kheops Studio was Cryo's successor. When Cryo shut down, some of the developers founded Kheops Studio.

Here's a list of Kheops' games:

The Egyptian Prophecy (2004) .... (aka Egypt III)
Crystal Key 2 (2004)
Return to Mysterious Island (2005)
ECHO: Secrets of the Lost Cavern (2005)
Voyage: Inspired by Jules Verne (2005)
The Secrets of Da Vinci: The Forbidden Manuscript (2006)
SafeCracker The Ultimate Puzzle Adventure (2006)
Destination Treasure Island (2006)
Cleopatra a Queen's Destiny (2007)
Nostradamus: The Last Prophecy (2007)
Dracula 3 - The Path of the Dragon (2008)
Return to Mysterious Island II (2009)
The Fall Trilogy: Separation (2009)
The Fall Trilogy 2: Reconstruction (2010)
The Fall Trilogy 3: Revelation (2011)

The Kheops website was archived at the web archive, but it is very slow and doesn't always load.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080614164658/http://www.kheops-studio.com:80/site/games.php?lang=2

Originally Posted By: Zurreen
I started playing games late 2001, but I do have a lot of games made for Windows 95 and 98.

I started in mid 1999. I bought what was available locally, but most adventure games I had to buy online. When I figured out how to get sound in DOS on my Windows 98 computer, I was able to play DOS games too. Now it's easier to play DOS game on a modern computer (using DOSBox and in some cases ScummVM) than it is to play the early Windows games.

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Just previewed my message, and - hey, I did it! Thanks so much!

Congratulations. If you need to know how something is done with the UBB code, quote a message that is using the feature you want and see how it's done in the quoted message.

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123431
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Thanks for the tip re: the UBB(what does that stand for, by the way?) code. smile

Re: the games. Thanks for the list! And I see that I have and have played almost all of them! In fact, I have even written walkthroughs (posted on Gameboomers itself!) on THREE of them! The Egyptian Prophecy (2004), The Secrets of Da Vinci: The Forbidden Manuscript (2006), and Destination Treasure Island (2006).

I am only missing The Fall Trilogy. And thanks for the years these games were released because I see that The Fall Trilogy came in 2009-11. So I should still be able to get them and even play them, perhaps on my Win 7 itself! How did you like them, by the way?

And, yes, I did get Riddle of the Sphinx in a big box. In fact, there was a bug in the tape-recorder (did you run into it too?), so I had to contact the Dreamcatcher support. That was, again in the "good old days," when you could actually call them, you know. A long distance call to Canada, but worth it. The tech was great and mailed me a patch, explaining how to install it, etc. Took a few days and, I still remember, it had "ROTS" written on the cd and I wondered "what? Rots?!" before realizing it was only an abbreviation of the game title. Talk about being a novice back then, right?! But I did succeed in installing the patch, and it worked like a charm! That was the great thing about being able to deal directly with the game company, you know - you explained your problem and you got the exact fix. In fact, I did contact DreamCatcher or the Adventure Company re: the Time Machine problem with the boxes also. They no longer took calls, so I think I emailed them. It must have been some years ago since, as I understand that both DreamCatcher and the Adventure Company are gone now, right? Anyway, the tech was nice but told me that the game was too old and they had no patch for it.

Oh, by the way - I did reach the point in the Time Machine game where I have to climb two of the three problematic boxes (in the washing machine area) and, sad to tell you, that the patch Marian found doesn't work after all... :(

Back to the old games though - I do have The Omega Stone too, but I could never finish it. I only get to that point where you have to put some skulls in the water, or something. But as I try to figure out the order, the skulls keep multiplying in my inventory! Is that a glitch? Probably so. I keep thinking I'd play the game someday and just look up a walkthrough to see what the order is I am to follow with the skulls. But I do like to solve puzzles on my own, without the help of a walkthrough; and I can't seem to do it with this one because the skulls always multiply in my inventory... So I have yet to play that game.




Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123454
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Originally Posted By: Zurreen
Thanks for the tip re: the UBB(what does that stand for, by the way?) code.

I think it's Universal Bulletin Board code.

Originally Posted By: Zurreen
I am only missing The Fall Trilogy.

The Fall was a casual series.
Not as good as their adventure games.
You can download the demo at Big Fish
http://www.bigfishgames.com/games/5381/the-fall-trilogy-chapter-1/

Originally Posted By: Zurreen
And, yes, I did get Riddle of the Sphinx in a big box. In fact, there was a bug in the tape-recorder (did you run into it too?),

I remember the tape recorder was a common problem.
There was a very nice troubleshooting website for Riddle of the Sphinx, now archived ***here***. It had some interesting tips for running games that used QuickTime games that applied to other games too. Anyway, I didn't get the tape recorder problem (I think there was a workaround where you could avoid the bug by rewinding) but I got the problem where objects would appear totally black, and I had to uninstall the QuickTime 4.12 that came with the game and use QuickTime 3.02 instead.

Originally Posted By: Zurreen
Oh, by the way - I did reach the point in the Time Machine game where I have to climb two of the three problematic boxes (in the washing machine area) and, sad to tell you, that the patch Marian found doesn't work after all...

Is this the computer you played the game on previously?
Have you always had the problem with the boxes?

Originally Posted By: Zurreen
Back to the old games though - I do have The Omega Stone too, but I could never finish it. I only get to that point where you have to put some skulls in the water, or something. But as I try to figure out the order, the skulls keep multiplying in my inventory! Is that a glitch?

I don't remember the puzzle.
There was a patch that was supposed to fix a "Celtic Altar skulls visual bug." Could that have been the problem? The archive of the page with the description of the patch is ***here***.

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Originally Posted By: Jenny
I think it's Universal Bulletin Board code.


Yes, I googled and that was one of the meanings for it. But I guess your tip was for determining the technique any time I see something in the forum. Thanks again! That is a really useful tip. smile

The Fall Series. FYI: my brother actually buys these games for me, as birthday, Christmas, etc., gifts. These games are the only things I like to get for gifts, you see. Anyway, I told him about it, and he looked up the series and was really surprised to find that there was a pack for all THREE of them, for only $1.99!!! From U.K., via Amazon! He showed me the pictures, and the pack said Hidden Object. I then found your recent response and noticed you said Big Fish games. So they are actually Hidden Object games? I thought we were talking about the adventure games. Not that I mind actually. In fact, I love the HO games. Have literally dozens of them! smile

Riddle of the Sphinx. No, I couldn't get the tape-recorder to work at all. Maybe because I was such a novice then, as I mentioned. But the DreamCatcher tech's patch fixed everything. Maybe that was why I never had to tinker with the QuickTime. The tape-recorder comes at the beginning of the game, as I recall. The patch might have fixed any other problems I might have run into later on as well. Then again maybe he sent me something for the QuickTime too. Can't really remember. I do know I did not have any Internet at that time. So he would have had to send me an upgrade himself.

The Time Machine.
Originally Posted By: Jenny
Is this the computer you played the game on previously? Have you always had the problem with the boxes?


Yes, to both questions. And I must have played this game at least a dozen times over the years. As I mentioned, it really is one of my top favorites. And these bugs have always been a downer for me, the only things that keep me from playing the game more frequently than I have. Specifically, it's these three boxes - two in the washing machine area, and one on that roof you must have seen in the video walkthrough I cited. I just have to keep on trying over and over, sometimes reloading from a close enough save to do so, until the (idiot lol ) stops pushing and finally climbs the box. MaG got me to join this forum I think in 2008 (I don't remember exactly, I am going by the date noted after my name in this forum itself), but I never really posted any queries or anything. I would just email her if I had a question, and she was always nice enough to help. And I got to know her, of course, because of the walkthroughs I posted on GB. Anyway, this time when I ran into the bugs, I kind of got desperate. As I mentioned, life is not so good right now, and I didn't feel I had the patience to keep on trying to climb the boxes, as I'd done before. So I tried to google to see if anyone else might have a solution, found that walkthrough, and noticed that that guy was having no problems at all! So I first tried to send him a message, but the page gave no such option. So I then posted a comment. I even referred you to the comment but when I later checked myself, I found the comment had been deleted without ever being even answered! In fact, he (or *some* one) had deleted the other two comments as well! Talk about rude, right? shocked

Oh, btw: you really need to try this game, Jenny! It truly is wonderful. I know that some of the sequences are a bit tricky, because of the "action" involved. But there is usually a very simple way to overcome those situations. You might still be able to get the game. Fry's was selling a bunch of them, in jewel cases, back in 2008 or 2009. I bought ALL the copies they had! I had intended to give them as gifts, and I did - some of them. The rest I kept for myself! You know, just in case my original CDs got scratched or something (God forbid!) Talk about loving this game, right? lol

Anyway, after posting the comment on that YouTube site, I kept checking for a few days, hoping for a response, to no avail. And then, I remembered the GB forum and decided to try my luck. Well, I'm glad I did. I may not have gotten the "fix" for the problem, but it was really nice to meet such wonderful people - you, Marian, and the "Draclvr." dance


The Omega Stone
Originally Posted By: Jenny
I don't remember the puzzle. There was a patch that was supposed to fix a "Celtic Altar skulls visual bug." Could that have been the problem?


I think the last time I tried to play the game was in 2003. Quite a while ago indeed. So I can't say for sure, but that sounds like the bug all right. Yes, it *was* some kind of altar, and we had a few skulls that we were supposed to set in some particular order which I was trying to figure out, only to notice that my inventory showed a whole lot more skulls than I originally had! lol Will definitely check out the link you gave me when I next try that game. Thanks so much! smile

Btw: if you don't mind my asking, you really know so much about games; and you definitely qualify as a great moderator. How did you ever get to be one? I mean, was it your idea to start this forum? Were you elected? You just know so much about so much, it's amazing! bravo

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123477
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Originally Posted By: Zurreen
So they are actually Hidden Object games?

The Fall series is Kheops's only casual game. Their other games are adventure, except you might consider Safecracker to be puzzle/adventure.

Originally Posted By: Zurreen
and noticed that that guy was having no problems at all!

He did have problems in some places. He mentioned it at one point. He also had a bug where the protagonist got stuck on something and kept running in place. He had to go back to the Load screen to unstick him.

Originally Posted By: Zurreen
And these bugs have always been a downer for me, the only things that keep me from playing the game more frequently than I have. Specifically, it's these three boxes - two in the washing machine area, and one on that roof...

Did you ever play on any Windows version older than XP? The guy who did the walkthrough said Windows ME was best -- and he played it in Virtual PC. He also said he had the DVD version of the game. It's possible that the pushing and climbing controls are worse in XP than in ME.

Originally Posted By: Zurreen
but when I later checked myself, I found the comment had been deleted without ever being even answered

That may have been YouTube's doing. It's happened before. YouTube's comment software is glitchy and some comments disappear, never to return.

I don't think the YouTube guy can tell you how to get the game working on your particular computer anyway. All he can do is say how he ran it on his computer, which he did in an answer to one of the comments in the first video.

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How did you ever get to be one?

MaG asked me to. I'd already been helping out in Glitches, and MaG decided to make it official.

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Originally Posted By: Jenny
The Fall series is Kheops's only casual game.


"Casual game"? You mean Hidden Object? Never heard of those games referred to as "casual," but do know they come in various difficulty modes, one of which is "casual." I tend to always choose the hardest/Expert mode, for the challenge. smile

Originally Posted By: Jenny
He did have problems in some places. He mentioned it at one point. He also had a bug where the protagonist got stuck on something and kept running in place. He had to go back to the Load screen to unstick him.


I already know the whole game "by heart," so to speak. So I didn't watch his whole videos. Apparently, you did. smile But, no, I only meant problem climbing the boxes that have been such a headache for me. He didn't seem to have any problem with them at all.

Originally Posted By: Jenny
Did you ever play on any Windows version older than XP? The guy who did the walkthrough said Windows ME was best -- and he played it in Virtual PC. He also said he had the DVD version of the game. It's possible that the pushing and climbing controls are worse in XP than in ME.


No, my first computer was a Tandy 1000, pretty old. Then I got an IBM, which was a whole lot better, but all DOS, no graphics. My first GUI was a Windows 95, which I got in 1997. I doubt it would play the Time Machine though, because it predates it. Besides, I haven't used it in so long, I doubt that the CMOS battery is still any good. So the XP I have always played this game on is really the oldest computer I have that can run it. I think it's Service Pack 2, if not older. I think I had connected it to the Internet, but only briefly. So it might have updated to Service Pack 2, but it is really the oldest XP computer I have and, as I mentioned, the only one that can play this game.

Thanks for telling me about the guy's comments re: his using the DVD version. Again, I didn't watch his whole videos, I was only interested in how he managed to climb those boxes so easily. And, no, I did not expect him to help me with my problem, of course. I only asked him what version he was playing (the original or a later updated one), and whether he had used a patch of any sort to help him climb those three boxes in particular. It would also have been nice to know where he got his version of the game, so then I could have tried to get it too. But I was afraid to ask him that in case, well, he had pirated the game from somewhere. So I didn't ask him about that. The above would have been enough to give me a starting point to then do my own "trouble-shooting." smile

BTW: Can you tell me exactly where in that video walkthrough the guy mentions he is using a DVD, etc. Maybe it will help me figure out the answers to my questions he never answered. You know, as I googled for my particular problem, I noticed topics re: playing the game on Windows 7. In fact, I checked out this one site where the guy had explained how to play the Time Machine on Win 7. He said to just copy the data from our CD 1 to a new folder on our desktop, set the compatibility to 2000 (he added we can probably set it to XP, but that he had tried 2000, and it worked for him), and then we should be able to install it in a normal way (he never elaborated, but I think he meant by clicking on the setup.exe file). Well, I tried it and shortly into the process I got a "severe" error, stating BadWindowsVersion! But there was no way to contact the guy, or ask him about it. Have you heard of such a "transfer" or ability to play on Win 7?

Also, on a related topic, you'd given me a link a while back, you seemed surprised as you said,

Originally Posted By: Jenny
Apparently the "timeusfix.zip" patch is for the Dreamcatcher version of the game, and fixes problems with the game not recognizing the legitimate CD. So that's kind of rare -- a NoCD released by the publishers of the game themselves.


I forgot to tell you that a few years ago, Jonathan Boakes (you know, the creator of the Dark Fall series} was pretty upset as he told me that the Dark Fall: The Journal was on freeware. Apparently, it was all legal, the reason cited being that the game was too old. Boakes was just upset because he felt that he should still be getting the royalties. The way I figured it, however (though never told him, because it might have hurt his feelings) was that maybe it had something to do with copyright. You know, a work is copyrighted only for a limited time; and, if not promptly renewed, it may actually end up in "public domain," meaning available for use by others without compensation to the original creator. Well, maybe the same thing has happened to the Time Machine. If I remember correctly, Time Machine is older than Dark Fall: The Journal, right? But even if not, perhaps it [Time Machine] *has* become a freeware, which is why it seems to be making a sort of comeback, so much talk even about playing on Win 7! Just a thought, of course. But I'm more interested in knowing whether it *is* available, or at least "convertible," to Win 7. If so, maybe it might be a "cleaner" copy than my original, and the reason that the walkthrough guy did not seem to be having any of the pesky climbing problems I am having. What do you think? And can you please find out something about that for me? Thanks.

Last, but not the least,

Originally Posted By: Jenny
MaG asked me to. I'd already been helping out in Glitches, and MaG decided to make it official.

She made an excellent decision, to be sure. bravo

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123534
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Originally Posted By: Zurreen
My first GUI was a Windows 95, which I got in 1997. I doubt it would play the Time Machine though, because it predates it.

That would depend on the computer's specs. If the processor is fast enough, and the video card is adequate (2MB SVGA card) it's not too old to run the game. If the processor is only the minimum requirement for the game (233mhz), it won't run well but if it's over 300mhz it might work well enough to play. Yes the CMOS battery would probably need replacing, and possibly the power supply as well. Those two things tend to be what goes bad with time on my older computers.

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I only asked him what version he was playing

The DVD version is probably the 1.20 version, which the patch updates to. Cryo typically released the DVD versions a little later than the CD versions, and were patched versions.

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a work is copyrighted only for a limited time; and, if not promptly renewed

As far as I know, this "limited time" is still 75 years.
Games do not automatically become "freeware."
The owner of the rights has to release them as freeware in order for them to be freeware.

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I'm more interested in knowing whether it *is* available, or at least "convertible," to Win 7

Time Machine would be very hard to "convert" because of its complexity and the uniqueness of Cryo's 3D engine.
Combine that with the fact that it wasn't a very popular game.
Most games that get updated installers either work in DOSBox, or only require minor tweaks, or are immensely popular games that may get a completely new game engine with higher resolution.

Your best bet if you're not satisfied with how Time Machine plays on your XP computer is to play it in a virtual machine.

If you don't collect older computers with specs compatible with your older games, the best way to play them is to use emulation programs.

If you have Windows 7 and a Windows 98 or Windows ME CD, you can try running the game inside Virtual PC like the guy who did the video.
***The Metzomagic website*** has a how-to on using Virtual PC 2004. This is the website I used when learning to use Virtual PC.

You'd need Virtual PC 2007 for Windows 7, but the instructions are pretty much the same as for Virtual PC 2004.

You can also find how-to's for installing Windows 95 or 98 in a virtual machine at YouTube. Some of them use VMware instead of Virtual PC. The YouTube guy said Time Machine works in VMware too.

You can download Virtual PC from Microsoft.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=4580
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https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=24439

The only difference between Virtual PC 2007 and Virtual PC 2007 SP1 is that the SP1 version supports newer guest operating systems and higher resolutions. Since you'd be using an older version of Windows as guest, I don't think it matters whether you choose the SP1 version or not, as long as you choose a 64-bit version (assuming you're running 64-bit Windows 7).

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Jenny100] #1123560
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Originally Posted By: Jenny
The DVD version is probably the 1.20 version, which the patch updates to. Cryo typically released the DVD versions a little later than the CD versions, and were patched versions.


I never saw any DVD version of the Time Machine game. As I mentioned, Fry's last sold this game in the form of jewel cases, some time in 2007 or 2008, when I bought all the copies they had. Can you tell me where I could get a DVD copy this guy might have been using? As you said, the later versions tend to have a patch already applied to them. That would surely fix my problem, or at least hopefully it will.

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As far as I know, this "limited time" is still 75 years. Games do not automatically become "freeware." The owner of the rights has to release them as freeware in order for them to be freeware.


To be honest, it's been a long time since my law school classes, and I never did pursue a career in copyright/patent law. Just refreshed my knowledge of the Copyright Act of 1976. As it turns out, that's when the protection was actually extended to "a term consisting of the life of the author and 70 years after the author's death." But then, why was Jonathan so upset? He definitely had not consented to the game's being offered free, and yet did not seem to have any legal recourse to prevent it. Perhaps he had signed away his rights when negotiating with the publisher. One can always waive or relinquish one's rights, of course. But I am not about to ask him, since it is obviously such a sore subject for him. smile

Last but not least, thanks for the info on Virtual PC. I have always wanted to try it, and now - thanks to you - I have some ideas as to how to get started. smile Might be a while before I do, however, because - well, let's just say it is too hectic these days to try something new. smile But really appreciate the info. So, thanks again. smile

Oh, by the way - I did manage to climb the first two boxes. Yay! dance Those are the easier ones, however. Still keeping fingers crossed for that third/last one, the one that prompted me to go all over seeking help...


Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123595
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Originally Posted By: Zurreen
I never saw any DVD version of the Time Machine game.

Of course not. Cryo's DVD versions of games were only released in Europe and the UK.

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Can you tell me where I could get a DVD copy this guy might have been using?

Check eBay.
Don't expect to buy from a US seller.
Don't expect to find one new.
The DVD version looks like this and contains more than one language
http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/ne...CoverId,150322/

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As you said, the later versions tend to have a patch already applied to them. That would surely fix my problem, or at least hopefully it will.

You already have the 1.20 patch.
If that didn't fix the problem, using the DVD version certainly won't.
You might be better served by buying a mouse with more precise clicks.

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Jenny100] #1123598
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Originally Posted By: Jenny
You already have the 1.20 patch. If that didn't fix the problem, using the DVD version certainly won't.
You might be better served by buying a mouse with more precise clicks.


Oh, no. Wonder why that guy wasn't having any problems climbing those boxes though...?

As for the mouse, you can use it on the Main Menu, if you like; but the game itself is completely keyboard-controlled. Thought we already talked about that... W,A,S,D, for movement; Ctrl for Combat; and the Spacebar for *all* actions - from speaking to someone, to picking up or using items, to pushing as well as climbing. And that's the problem, since you use the spacebar both for moving as well as climbing the boxes. And there really is no way to "fine tune" the tapping of the spacebar. Tried it, doesn't work. But I think the real problem is not even so much the controls, but finding the "hotspot." I have to keep trying until I finally happen to step on it, and then the hero climbs. Such a drag... :(

Thanks for the info though. Much appreciate it. smile

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123635
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Originally Posted By: Zurreen
Wonder why that guy wasn't having any problems climbing those boxes though...?

He did have trouble at one point -- where the protagonist insisted on climbing instead of pushing.

I forgot about it being keyboard-controlled.
You talked about finding the "hotspot"
Are you saying the speed of the "tap" isn't what controls whether he climbs or pushes? and that it depends on where he's standing instead?

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123666
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Originally Posted By: Jenny
He did have trouble at one point -- where the protagonist insisted on climbing instead of pushing.


Yes, I saw that - when the boy gets up the box, instead of pulling it, right after he cuts the rope tying the two boxes. But it happens only for a second, the guy even comments (something like "he wants to climb on it, but we don't need that right now"), and then the boy starts moving the box as we need him to do. So a tiny skip there, but not really a bother.

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You talked about finding the "hotspot" Are you saying the speed of the "tap" isn't what controls whether he climbs or pushes? and that it depends on where he's standing instead?


Yes. I must have played literally hundreds of games since the first time I played the Time Machine, and Time Machine itself at least a dozen times. So I can say with complete certainty that it's a matter of the point where he is standing. There really is no way to modulate how we click on the spacebar, but I have still tried - in spite of the possible risks to my keyboard! Tapping at various spots on the spacebar, and with various levels of speed and even strength!!! I am sure you know all about "hotspots," right? So that's how it works every time I do finally manage to get him to climb - only by a fluke actually, a matter of where he finally steps that gets him to climb up the box.

And at this point, I think I can share my "good news." I reached that third, most pesky point in the game last night, and was determined to get him to climb that box already. And, after several attempts, finally did it! dance

And you know, in a way that patch might have helped after all. You see, even as we were communicating in the past few days, I did at one point manage to get him to climb the box but then, as I quickly tried to save, the game crashed! So it was back to trying to get him to climb, with no success until you talked me into installing the patch and starting over. The patch did not help in the climbing, true, but I do think it is minimizing the crashes. In fact, I had just that one crash in the beginning of the game that I told you about, right after I restarted the game. So this time when I got the boy up, the game did not crash and I *was* able to save. Yay! joy2

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123671
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I used to have that game. I only play it so far then it would freeze. And I died alot anyway so I never finished it.


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Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123673
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Originally Posted By: Zurreen
So this time when I got the boy up, the game did not crash and I *was* able to save. Yay!

Be sure to back up that save so you have it for next time you play.

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I used to have that game. I only play it so far then it would freeze.

Did you use the patch?

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And I died alot anyway so I never finished it.

Well, that's a "feature" of the game.
No patch for that.

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1123683
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If you still have it, you should try it again. It's really not that hard. I played it several times and have discovered so many easy ways to get around what seemed to be the hardest hurdles when I first played the game. smile In fact, I think that there is a very easy way to get through every possible hurdle. Just be sure to save before the hurdle comes up. I know you need to save sparingly in this game because it costs us "jad garrul," and you get a limited number of those for every "segment"/chapter. So you might need to play it once until you run in the hurdle, and then go back to your last save and this time save again before the hurdle. That way you can try and try again until you have crossed the hurdle; and then, quickly save!

The link I have given before (for Jenny and Marian's reference in connection with my particular problem) is actually an excellent walkthrough, and it's on YouTube so you can actually see what you need to do. But he has apparently not played the game too many times, and has missed some useful stuff. For example, if you play the Rainbow Nautilus game and get a score of 10+, you win an Hourglass (in addition to the Sand Herbs)! You can then trade this Hourglass with a Lemur for an extra spell! You really can't have enough of such spells, you know. The more you have, the more choices to get out of sticky situations. lol I would be happy to share such extra information with you. I just hope that Jenny can help me start getting those email notifications soon ... Otherwise, I might never find out, or at least not in time to help, if you wrote to ask me for those extra tidbits... :(

The freezing is a different problem, of course. It *is* an old game (Win 98/ME) and, as I have mentioned several times in my above conversation, I have only one old XP that can even play this game. What system did you play it on? The patch Marian recommended does not help me with my particular glitch, but it does seem to at least minimize the crashes. Maybe it will help with your freezing problem too. I never had that particular/freezing problem, so I can't say for sure. Anyway, Jenny has given an excellent set of instructions as to how to install the patch. smile

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Jenny100] #1123685
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Originally Posted By: Jenny
Be sure to back up that save so you have it for next time you play.


Sorry, but no, backing up is no good. If I used a back-up copy, there would be no point in ever playing the first three chapters of the game again at all, since everything I am supposed to get in those chapters (Sand Herbs, Spells, information) would be replaced by whatever I did or didn't get in this back up. That is why I wanted to get a patch or fix, so I could play the game "fresh," trying new approaches, but without having to worry about these 3 glitches. See what I mean? smile


Btw: I've checked my profile as well as preferences, marked everything that I could, but I am still not getting any notifications for anything posted in response to my posts. And, yes, I did add both my queries (Belief & Betrayal, and now the Time Machine) on my "Watched List," but still nothing. In fact, I've allowed for GB to email me re: anything they like. Still nothing. As a moderator, and so versed at that, can you please check my profile/preferences to see what I missed and, if at all possible, fix it? I really would appreciate it. You can't imagine how cumbersome it has been to keep checking in this forum (go to page 5, and then all the way down, etc.) just to see if someone has answered my question. I would also like to know if someone asks a question or shares some further information long after I stop checking the forum. See what I mean? So please do help me resolve that problem too. Thanks. smile

Re: The New Adventures of the Time Machine - original [Re: Zurreen] #1123707
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