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#121872 - 03/12/03 11:26 PM Re: More News about URU: Ages Beyond MYST
Witchen Offline
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An afterthought that came to mind here is that we are now positioned like the three blind men dutifully trying to describe an elephant. LOL When we know what that elephant really looks like; that is, what URU really is, I'm so absolutely sure we'll have a much better understanding of why broadband was the only and obvious carrier. wink Love, Witchen =O)

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#121873 - 03/12/03 11:45 PM Re: More News about URU: Ages Beyond MYST
Advpuzlov Offline
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I must be old-fashioned, but I don't like the requirement of getting on-line in order to play an Adventure game.

Quote:
Would it be so unthinkable for Cyan to have subscriptions where they'd send you a CD or DVD every month which includes the new areas?
from JENNY100.

In response, SALAR OF MYST wrote:
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Even the "hub" area (D'ni cavern) is really huge and incredibly detailed. I don't think just D'ni city by itself would fit on a dvd, let alone process all the effects and let you move in good time.
Are you implying that it wouldn't fit on a hard drive or that the RAM would be too small to handle the processing of effects and could only handle it in bits and pieces fed from the net? What numbers are we talking about? I wonder if the programers have not really thought enough about handling it. They may be just taking the easy way out. It's a little like the conversion from having to write very efficient programs, since computers had so little memory, to the rise of easy, but inefficient programs with the advent of huge memory resources. Tell me I'm wrong. rolleyes
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#121874 - 03/13/03 04:15 AM Re: More News about URU: Ages Beyond MYST
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Some broadband providers in the UK at least are beginning to impose download limits per day like 1GB. By the sound of things such a limit would make running URU impossible.

If single-player mode wouldn't work from a DVD it's not going to work running over the Internet. We'll have higher capacity DVDs in time.
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#121875 - 03/13/03 07:07 AM Re: More News about URU: Ages Beyond MYST
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The biggest downside to an online-only game, of course, is that the day will come, as it came for FOG and it is coming for Motor City Online, when the company-run servers are permanently shut down. It may be a world to the players but it's only a budget line item to the company.

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#121876 - 03/13/03 08:05 AM Re: More News about URU: Ages Beyond MYST
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Ever see the first four hours (two installments of two hours each) and then miss the third two hour installment of a TV movie? Were it not for VCRs this sort of thing would probably happen all the time. I tape all of a "continued" movie just to be sure I can watch all of it. If I miss the last part I forget about watching the first part. It relates to the idea that if I buy something I want to have it "in my pocket", so to speak, to use when I get around to it and to re-use when I want. In other words, I want to own what I buy. Even now we do not own what we buy in the way of, for example, games on disk. We own the disk, and that's all, but we can, at least, use it more than once. I'm waiting for the day when the disks have a "time out" built into them where they erase themselves automatically. I'm quite sure I've read that is already technically possible.

Although I have DSL I don't think I'm going to go for the online games. It's equivalent to helping them save costs that will not, undoubtedly, pass the savings on to me, the customer. After all, did "do it yourself" gas stations really help us. I can still remember having my radiator, tires, oil, etc. checked just for being nice enough to buy gas at a gas station. Now they want us to check our own groceries, take responsibility for our safety deposit boxes (so the bank doesn't have to pay for insurance, I guess), wash our own car at the car wash, and the doctors (and others) want to limit how much the courts can give us for their screw-ups.

I have to feel sorry for the younger people who think what is happening to this society is necessary. By the time they figure out what's happening to them it will already have happened.
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#121877 - 03/13/03 11:08 AM Re: More News about URU: Ages Beyond MYST
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"....afterthought that came to mind here is that we are now positioned like the three blind men dutifully trying to describe an elephant."

Hi Gang...... In keeping with the above, previously stated, we are discussing the negatives (and the possible demise) of an online game we haven't even seen or experienced yet? laugh

There's surely a downside (or two) to every step of progress in technology....but just from my personal perspective, I'm already prepared to get DSL in a heartbeat to play this one. So, i'll just hang here with my "glass half full," with the full expectation that URU is going to knock my socks off! thumbsup

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#121878 - 03/13/03 11:13 AM Re: More News about URU: Ages Beyond MYST
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In defence of Cyan supposing they made this so that it would work at a reasonable speed for modem users, wouldn't it be a completely different game then and would we be excited about it and how many of us would complain about the graphics being rubbish and not fitting in with the whole Myst thing, or complain about some other feature that was no longer there?
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#121879 - 03/13/03 11:35 AM Re: More News about URU: Ages Beyond MYST
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I will say about URU what I said about Syberia 2...because it is not my cup of tea, the line for purchasing it will be one person shorter. wink

For everyone for whom it is their cup of tea, enjoy!

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#121880 - 03/13/03 01:27 PM Re: More News about URU: Ages Beyond MYST
Jenny100 Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by mszv:
I found this quote on the Ubi Uru website ( http://uru.ubi.com/ - how's that for a tongue twister), in the latest press release.

..."Uru will take advantage of broadband to deliver a continually updated, immersive environment and storyline, with content that grows, changes and evolves constantly. It will also be the first persistent world to support real-time voice communication."
I don't care so much one way or the other about the real-time voice communication part. But I do not want the story "evolving" during those times when I don't have time to play the game. I don't want to feel totally left behind when I get back into the game. Or even halfway left behind. This actually bothers me even more than the requirement for a fast connection. I could always go over to my Dad's house and play it, but I certainly can't do that every day. I do not want the game "growing and changing constantly" while I am not there. I like playing games at my own pace.

And about storage space:

From the look of the screenshots at http://uru.ubi.com, it appears you play as a little man who walks around detailed prerendered screens. This seems similar to what you have in TLJ and Syberia - a 3D character walking around a 2D screen. This kind of setup would take up much less space than something like Schizm, where you have movie transitions play with every step you take. With Uru, there wouldn't be the need for the transition movies because you'd just have the character walking around the same screen or move to a different screen. I don't see any reason why you couldn't fit the beginning parts of the game on a DVD, and when updated areas were made, you could buy the updated area on another DVD.

The way it is now, with people having to pay for a broadband connection to play the game, Ubisoft and Cyan should get a kickback from the broadband companies.

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#121881 - 03/13/03 09:42 PM Re: More News about URU: Ages Beyond MYST
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I know that some are disappointed that it's broadband, I'm actually happy about it. If there able to make a game I can play online and can add new worlds, I say great. I admit if I couldn't get broadband for some reason I'd be disappointed too. Remember though, rumor has it that there will be a Myst 4 that will be different than URU.
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#121882 - 03/16/03 09:11 PM Re: More News about URU: Ages Beyond MYST
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Shorah smile

I tried to answer some y'all's questions (I dunno know that much : ) the other day, used too many smilies and found the reply was wiped when I hit "back" to rectify my little problem. ah well. Hope y'all understand if I skip most of the graphics this time. *rueful smile*

TAKE 2!

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query #1: I've heard there are several options for camara view. You have an avatar, yes, but I'm pretty sure you dont have to look at yourself all day long laugh

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query 2: What was I saying? All broadband games ask enormous resources from the servers they use and ask as little as possible from the client.

& Having seen a glimpse of Mudpie at Mysterium, I can just imagine what it would be for my pc to try and keep track of all those elements at once. EEK!

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# 3 Doing things the easy way?

I dont think Cyan knows how. The team currently working on URU include many of the brilliant, dedicated, friendly, workaholics who brought you Riven ~ the game where every little bolt was rendered in its entirety (though you saw only the head) and made sure even their weirdest machines would work (at least theoretically)

IMHO ~ Cyan is using broadband because they believe its the future of gaming & interaction, the best way to give you quality 3d realtime, & because they love pushing the envelope ~ turning work back into art laugh

I remember a Cyantist saying that they actually bother to make up at least some rendered scenes as breathatkingly beautiful as they would ideally wish......and then break them down to what most desktops should be able to play when it will be out.

Rawa went so far once as to say that the version of Uru they would LIKE to release would run optimally on a Cray (BIG BIG computer).

Putting Uru online means they dont have to drop the bar as far. Artists dig that kinda thing.

for ex: Myst ME was NOT a reworking of Myst. Its the original edition ~ before they had to make it run in 256 colors.
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# 4 comments re :owning software.

I know what you mean. I agree. Its annoying not to be able to guarantee replays after lottsa dough invested, but I have faith in Cyan's integrity and that makes a big difference to me. I know they will do all they can to be fair.

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#5 disks & modems::

Since I'm active in a community where Cyan speaks out pretty often, I know that they HAVE tried to come up with disk & modem ideas and that so far it hasnt panned out. Last I heard their thing was trying to make sure that mac users are fully supported. Hope that works out!

IMHO ~ The decision to continue the official Myst series on disk (Myst4 is not an illusion), is at least partly a recognition of those who wont be ready this fall/winter for URU.

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#6 Online gaming generally:

Most online games use disks & compression on the dl files to keep down usage rates.

As far as I know, Uru WONT require that you "keep up" (I dont like that sort of real life time imposition thing either. Thats why I passed on Animal Crossing)

The latest announcement is Myst mode :: that is, we should be able to play alone at our own pace, like the original games.

That suggests to me that they've ideas for preventing that kind of pressure but I've no clue as to how that'd be implemented.

I THINK (but cannot vouch for this) that changes are mostly additions to the larger worlds & communities. You can get there when you want or not go that way at all (again this is what Ive heard down the vine. Its only a solid promise when its in writing from Ubi/CyanWorlds)

Demos should show for certain what the reality will be closer to the release date.

As far as I know, Uru is and will be unique. They are trying to offer

~ gorgeous graphics
~thoughtful, relaxing puzzles
~extensive, peaceful explorations
~a complex, historically & scientifically based story/history for this Universe...and not require you to "learn all that" if you dun wanna

& the opportunity for community online as it has never been experienced

plus all kinds of safeguards that seek to keep it family friendly.

Because you really can share a Myst experience. You can let your toddler "drive" and your grandmother give instructions. or just get away from it all for a few. I LIKE that part a lot *very big smile*

I can't think of anybody else who has a better shot of pulling it all off, either. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />

Hope it was helpful

Salar, the long-winded wink

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#121883 - 03/16/03 09:43 PM Re: More News about URU: Ages Beyond MYST
Kim Offline
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Registered: 11/25/99
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Salar,

That was extremely helpful to me. I've been a bit confused, and sometimes amused, by all the talk, some of it going "whoosh" right over my head. BTW, long-windedness(?) is not always a bad thing. Thanks again.
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#121884 - 03/16/03 11:41 PM Re: More News about URU: Ages Beyond MYST
Homer6 Offline
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It would take a lot of complaints before some telephone companies would consider whether or not to make the investments needed to provide broadband services. If they feel they could not make a profit greater than the initial investments, they won't even consider offering the service.
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#121885 - 03/17/03 07:19 AM Re: More News about URU: Ages Beyond MYST
MrLipid Offline
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There's a substantial article in last Thursday's (3/13/03) Wall Street Journal that lays out why the phone companies have done such a dismal job of providing broadband (DSL) service to their customers.

The headline is: How Phone Firms Lost to Cable In Consumer Broadband Battle.

The subhead is: Content to Rent Dial-Up Lines, the Bells Dawdled on DSL, Then Ran Into Glitches.

The nutshell version is this.

It is not trivial to get DSL to work. Cable is easy.

Also, the phone companies didn't want to cut into their very profitable T1 business. Answer: Offer dial-up or T1 and nothing in-between.

Cable companies had nothing like a T1 business to damage and had the technology in place to easily offer broadband. Which is why most broadband in the US is from the cable companies rather than the phone companies.

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#121886 - 03/17/03 07:44 AM Re: More News about URU: Ages Beyond MYST
Cat in the Hat Offline
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This is the first time I heard of another MYST game. I think it would be risky to market the game to a percentage of an already select group of gamers. Hopefully, CYAN will make an "old fashioned" version for those of us who don't live our lives online.

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