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Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: dragonuk44] #310164
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Alkis, you're still asking for the information to be sent unsecured. It made the difference in whether I bought the game or not. It was meant to be helpful, but naturally you can do as you want.


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Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: nickie] #310177
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I know. I'm simply trying to explain my reasoning. I never thought it would be an issue for people but please understand that this the first time I'm doing this and it's hard for me to foresee everything.


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Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: alkis21] #310224
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Hi Alkis, you have to understand that there is a difference between sending info to a site that pledges to protect your privacy & one that is a locked site. One is potentially accessible to unwanted third parties the other is not.

While I appreciate your interest & reasoning in and for collecting statistics I think you have to consider that this may be potentially costing you a lot of game sales. People that speak up, as Nickie has, are in the minority compared to those who may feel the same way but will silently not buy your game for the same reason.

I don't think anyone is blaming you, just trying to point out their feelings in the hope that you might just let people get on and order the game without having to submit the info smile

N.B. Artistic & businesslike don't usually gel too well together smile


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Applause, applause, crhissie, take a bow! That was very well said.
I can also appreciate where you are coming from, jedi valius, but I prefer the old to the new. That is no doubt because I am so many, mumble, years older than you. So there is this generation gap between us, okay? Which accounts for different preferences and *standards*!


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Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: sierramindy] #310262
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Thank you for your kind words sierramindy & hope that gems like DITR continue to be made! smile

Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: alkis21] #310325
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Originally Posted By: alkis21


Regarding the graphics of the game, yes unfortunately graphics = money. The bigger the budget, the better the graphics unless the graphics artist is one of the company's owners which was not our case. I'm willing to bet that more people worked on the design of Sherlock Holmes' nostrils than the entire DITR team!


That´s what I thought and I agree you did a great job with your budget. I would love to see what your team can do with a bigger budget and hopefully the sales of DITR will be good! I think a great story deserves a great everything else, including graphics but this is not always the case, however it was a job very well done overall and clearly a game done with passion and I believe where there is a will, there is always a way smile Good luck on your next venture and I´ll be looking forward to pre-order your new game smile

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LOL Sierramind! That was eloquently put! haha I am no doubt younger than you are, but I am sure we both share a strong passion for storytelling and a good story, otherwise we would not be playing adventure games smile And any storytelling lover wants the story to be as enriched as possible and that is where great graphics come into play to enhance the experience. But you needn´t worry! There will always be new independent developers like Alkis who begin with a limited budget project with a great story, so you can enjoy plenty of your "old games" as you call them smile
Originally Posted By: chrissie


No, you didn't! and sorry! it's not what I meant to imply. The comment stemmed from my view on 'static environments' which you made a comment about earlier. smile

One of the good things about AGs, I feel, is that as long as there is a good story with interesting characters and/or puzzles (whatever your preference)they can be developed on a comparitively simple basis on a relatively low budget. How many hardcore action fans would entertain less than state of the art graphics & gameplay?


I absolutely agree with the fact that a good story can and is enjoyed also with a limited budget and yes action games would not last a day without their fancy graphics! Whereas graphics play THE major role in action games, I see graphics as a great enhancer in adventure game and a medium with which to build beautiful game worlds as you mentioned...I also underlined the poor graphics in DITR because a story like that DO deserve a great and rich world which I hope Alkis future games will have. I have played many an adventure game lately where the graphics were superb but the story was very poor and I uninstalled a lot of them before finishing ...so it does get frustrating where great stories do not get the big budget they deserve, but I do believe the adventure genre is growing and hopefully we will see more and more independent game releases with the support they deserve.

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Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: jedi valius] #310330
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jedi, please do not stack your posts. We try to conserve bandwidth as much a we can and would appreciate your cooperation. If no one has posted behind you, use the edit button. I have combined your posts.

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Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #310331
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hi Ana,

did you notice I actually did combine two of the posts? hehe I do manage to remember most of the times believe it or not! LOL Thanks for your help


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Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: jedi valius] #310537
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I started the game yesterday & am wandering vaguely round looking for a light bulb....
I seem to wander vacantly round in most games , is it a blonde thing ?


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Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: JennyP] #310555
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dont worry Jenny, you need to "wandering vaguely round" at the beginning but you wont need really the light bulb untill half way about through the game

Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: LindaMarion] #310577
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Jenny: it´s not a blonde thing...it´s called "exploring the game environment" hehe I do that all the time too and I have brown hair , so there smile Enjoy the game!


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Hi smile

I've not started this particular game yet but I enjoy wandering round in any game - lost or not - where I am given the opportunity.
Probably the reason why I take so long to finish a game lol

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Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: Mad] #310654
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Since the spoilers thread was locked, I was wondering if it would be OK to discuss the ending without referring to the "controversial" issues. For instance, can everyone who completed the game please tell me
Click to reveal..
what happened between Jason and Sydelle in the end?


I want to make sure everyone understood the ending. Please remember to use spoiler tags.


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Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: alkis21] #310724
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Okay, I'll have a go:
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Sydelle & Jason were good friends but I felt there was a stronger emotion from Sydelle.

Sydelle could through dream make things happen so I guess that she was responsible for the plight of 17 (numbered) women but only because Jason had 'picked' them through his ability to 'select numbers'.

Without Jason the organisation would have had to 'spell out' to Sydelle the women she should 'make things happen for, so, that would indicate in the first place that Sydelle had no idea of the intentions of the organisation.

When Jason consistently picked the 'right women' the organisation were able to use this to 'brainwash' Sydelle - we have to consider her past - the lack of self worth & life purpose she must have felt & the ensuing enormous boost in self esteem that must have come from being highly valued for 'her talents' by the organisation represented by an 'ameniable' man that was looked on as a father figure.

Sydelle can't have realised that Jason only selected numbers that were wanted & not those of his choice when she was 'enlightened' to the purposes of the organisation & because of her closeness to, & belief in him felt that the grand plan had to be right. From her point of view she now had a purpose compared to what she had before - nothing! She obviously very much cared for Jason but in the end Sydelle is the only person we don't know what happened to?????? Next game perhaps?


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Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: chrissie] #310763
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Chrissie, everything is correct (and very eloquently described) but the last phrase.

Let me put it another way:

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What was Jason's last choice before he died?


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Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: alkis21] #310776
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I had to think about and a ...
Click to reveal..
....cold shiver went down my spine! Jason 'saved her' as he saw it? Contagious stuff?

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There was strong attraction between Jason and Sydelle, maybe even love.
Jason couldnt believe sydelle had joined the nasties and adopted there wicked propoganda.
Sydell was in a nut house before DITR got hold of her and had no life at all.they gave her everything and turned her from a nobody to a worthwhile person so she accepted there horrible doctrines.
So despite her feelings for Jason she had to go along with ditr foul ideologue and she was torn between the 2.
When Jason was dying she couldnt help being shocked and trying to help him to live on.
but the poison was infectious or contagious and she needed water so she also probably will die which is why no mention of her future made in the aftermath

btw Jason is an idealist and cant live with himself after he feels tricked in joining a despicable ditr even though he didnt much help them and didnt know whatever they were up to


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Absolutely correct, ladies. smile

My apologies, I didn't mean to sound as if I was testing you, I just needed to be sure that you understood that crucial final touch of
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Shakespearean
ending.


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I never realised at the time Alkis, but:

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I was surprised when Jason made that request & at the time I thought 'aah, he loves her'. I'm not so sure now, he was obviously fond of Sydelle & would have been aware that Sydelle had strong feelings for him because he'd read the report on her dream. He didn't know whether he was going to succeed with his message which meant the organisation may have been free to carry on. Sydelle was their singly most important asset to carry out their plan & no longer needed Jason's selections - so what better way of thwarting the plan in the near future.


I thought it was a really good story anyway but I've now realised there's 'Icing on the cake'!!! smile

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heya chrissie youve got a more devious mind than i but you may be right.i had not thought of that.
The only person who can tell us is alkiis because he invented the characters
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i said that because of the phosphorus i guess Sydelle would die also.you claim that maybe he *deliberately* passed the poison on to her to kill her off.
its certainly possible- i hadnt thought of that
I dont think it figures though because of why i think this above that he didnt plan that:
Jason took the poison at the begin of the game - or really before it. he locked himself in his house and and didnt know sydele would come there or if she did could get in.if he wanted needed to eliminate her he would have invited her or something.
Also there was no need to kill her because he revealed the whole plot on the net and all culprits caugt except the boss-man.so she would have been caught and given a fair trial if was guilty.

Thought of an other scenario possible at end:
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May be Jason didn't intend Sydel to die and it wsn't premeditated killing.
Could be he didnt expect her to get in. But once she *was* in and he loved her he thought it would be better for *her* if he put her out of misery.
She had a terrible life before and it would be much worse if he sent her back there special after she had been treated with so lot of respect.
or she would have trial and maybe prison and nasty desolaion and he want to spare her all that?


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Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: LindaMarion] #311141
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I'd rather let you decide by yourselves. After all, as I always say a story has a life of its own and most of the times it feels more like I'm telling it rather than creating it. Therefore, my guess is no better than yours.


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Re: Diamonds in the rough - good or not? [Re: LindaMarion] #311142
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Originally Posted By: LindaMarion
heya chrissie you've got a more devious mind...........
rotfl not quite sure how to take that! lol

But I thought you made some good points LindaMarion & now that you've mentioned it:
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No,Jason couldn't have known for sure that he would see Sydelle again - but I don't think it was in his nature to have pre-meditated harming her by inviting her over - also it wouldn't have been so 'Shakespearean'! So it had to be a spur of the moment thing and at that point he couldn't be sure that his message would be heard AND taken seriously.

So one scenario is that he took the opportunity to infect Sydelle so, if his message didn't get through she could no longer contribute to the 'grand plan', and if the message did get through, as you've inferred, it would spare her from being 'sent back' to a 'worthless life'.

The other scenario (more romantic) is that Jason was too sick to think & took the opportunity to demonstrate his love for Sydelle, inadvertantly either 'saving the world' or Sydelle herself.


EDIT: Just saw your post Alkis. The end of the game doesn't leave you 'hanging' so there's no frustration there. I think I like the idea that none of us know for sure what was in Jason's mind, how could we?, so we have to make up our own! smile

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My thinking at the end proved to be wrong, but at the time ...

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when Jason and Sydelle kissed, I thought (hoped beyond hope) that Sydelle with her power to make her dreams turn into reality, would keep Jason from dying by dreaming him alive and well again. It was a fairy tale kind of ending, rather than Shakespeare!


The ending was actually much better than mine would have been, I do know that. I was just dreaming my dream.



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