Memento Mori good ending -- Serious Spoilers
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This issue has probably been discussed but I have not found it. After the good ending there is a talk of "two men" that is supposed to be a prologue of the story. The real identity of one of the men seems obvious after the ending, who is really the other? and who is the little girl? Lara? Why one has to look after Max and the other after the little girl?
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Re: Memento Mori good ending
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Hi mcc -- I've added a spoiler warning to the topic because this is going to become very spoilerish, I think! I'm using a spoiler tag here to be doubly safe. How did you know that the two men talking is meant to be the prologue? I didn't catch that -- thought it was the ending of the ending, so to speak.
If you accept the supernatural/religious view of what has been happening, then the two men are angels. The one who impersonated Andre is the angel of death. The reason the little girl at the apartment complex (the guard's daughter) could see him was that she was dying.
The other angel seems to be someone who takes care of the living -- perhaps the archangel Michael, or maybe Lara's guardian angel. I think the other "little girl" is Lara. The crazy/homeless man outside the apartment building is also, IMHO, an angel.
If you don't accept the supernatural/religious view of what has been happening, the last scene is a bit harder to explain. The scene could be Max dreaming, a way of assuaging his guilt for having forced the little girl's father to confess, with the father's imprisonment perhaps leading to the little girl's death. Since Max now no longer believes in the false dream of saving Andre as a child, perhaps Max is dreaming that the little girl from the apartment is safe -- a similar kind of compensatory dream.
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Re: Memento Mori good ending
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Just when the two men are talking on the bottom left hand side there is a date and the word Prologue. I am not sure of the date, only that had change. I am almost sure about Andre being the Angel of Death, what is not so clear to me is the other guy. As far as I remember one doesn't see the guard's daughter dead, it is only the old man's word. I don't see it being just Max mind, even when it could be because he certainly has hallucinations, I would be disappointed if this were the case. We have seen a similar trauma in Outcry
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Re: Memento Mori good ending
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Aha! I'll have to go back in and have a look. Just curious -- do you remember any time when The monk who steals the painting and then gets caught trying to sell it and has his tongue removed -- do you remember any time that he and Andre are actually together? Since the Angel of Death can change his appearance, is it possible that the monk who stole the painting and Andre are the same person? I am wondering if the Angel of Death has decided to rid himself of this tiresome cult that keeps murdering innocents in order to keep his "identity" hidden -- when all the secrecy is useless -- he can hide himself by changing appearance any time he wants. Or am I really off the wall here? On my second playthrough I spent as much time as I could with the old fellow in the museum garden. He clearly knows a lot about Lara -- he's almost omniscient -- but he never actually identifies himself. That I remember.
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Re: Memento Mori good ending
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I have to replay the part in the monastery but I don't remember having seen Andre with the monk.The Angel of Death could take any shape, however I don't think this is the case with that monk.
Since the conversation between the two men appears to be had taken place before the events it seems that what you say about the Angel of Death - having this planned, has all the sense.
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Re: Memento Mori good ending
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Very interesting. I have one more question... What about the conversations in the dining room at the monastery? The monk could hear him making the annoying questions or he couldn't?
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Re: Memento Mori good ending
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Boy,am I glad to have found this thread! Thank you for your insightful comments, Becky! I had also asked about this on other websites, but few people seem to have managed to get the "best" ending; and it is only in the "best" ending, that that conversation between Andre/Charon and the old guy takes takes place.
If I am not mistaken Andre, in the conversation he has with Max in the cell, calls himself Charon - who is the ferryman of souls in Greek mythology, who ferries souls across the river Styx, to Hades, the land of the dead. I like the idea the the other fellow is an angel for the living. I couldn't quite puzzle out who he was supposed to be, and who the other little girl was.
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Re: Memento Mori good ending
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Probably anything in this thread could be considered a spoiler because it's an ending discussion. I would not be reading anything that says ending in the subject if I have not played the game. I did however add spoiler tags. Ana
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Re: Memento Mori good ending
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Please use the spoiler brackets, Moondancer, we haven't all played the game yet Oops! Sorry, I thought I had, and was actually busy editing it - but got distracted while adding the tags - you were just too fast for me! My humblest apologies, I also hate to be 'spoiled'... EDIT: Heh, though Brown Eyed Tigre is quite correct! You shouldn't be reading threads about endings marked as containing spoilers if you had not yet played the game, hmmmmmmmmmm? Naughty, naughty!
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Re: Memento Mori good ending
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Volkana -- I have to replay that sequence at the monastery too. Virtually everyone at the monastery was about to die, so that would explain why they could see Andre.
That doesn't explain why the head of the order could see him, though, because the head of the order seems to have survived.
I didn't catch the bit about Charon. Another part to replay.
Another question -- the assassin monk who took the phone call at the very beginning of the game -- was that anyone in the game, or just an assassin we don't meet again?
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Re: Memento Mori good ending -- Serious Spoilers
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You can get it through InteractCd (button on the top of forum) Ana
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Re: Memento Mori good ending -- Serious Spoilers
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" Mad, I already brought your lampshade out of the closet and dusted it off. Lets go party in the naughty corner. Then again...are you still reading this thread? " Oh, yes !! I'm still reading the thread. Just thought, even though all the other posts did use spoiler brackets, maybe I should hold off and keep stum And yes, too, I'm ready to don my lampshade and play in the Naughty Corner ANY time, BrownEyedTigre. Lead on !!
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Re: Memento Mori good ending
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Hi, Anne...I am playing it now...I think its a very good game... You have a nice size inventory..Not much dialogue... I like the idea of different endings..
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Re: Memento Mori good ending
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I replayed the part of Max in the garden when he makes a fire. The Abbot and the hooded monk are talking about the caretaker and two other monks, it seems that they too survived.
The last dialogue it says Prologue but there is not a "real" date, only Wednesday 17:00. Since one little girl has already died (Andre took care of her) it would seemed to be after the events though.
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Re: Memento Mori good ending
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The date changes in that scene and the numbers are rolling like crazy, and I haven't been able to figure out if they are changing forward or backward, it happens so fast!
There's a chance that the Prologue is to an (as yet unannounced) sequel, I suppose.
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Re: Memento Mori good ending -- Serious Spoilers
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I can't help but think back to the pages and pages and of discussion about the ending of Scratches right after it was released. That was great fun because we had all the information and still weren't quite sure what had happened. Here it seems that there is so much 'stuff' missing, that so much of it is vague, and that there are so many variables, that finding the answers may well not be worth the effort.
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