Thanks Sheriff

Greyfuss, Dave is checking on the CE version. I'll let you know as soon he finds out.

Ana

You have got to be kidding me -

I am guessing that he is refering to no PC disk version for North America. Since the game was developed for Consoles I am again assuming that there will be a North American Playstation, Xbox disk release.

That is correct. You can get Playstation and XBox360 here on Amazon.

Dave at InteractCD will have the import boxed PC.

Ana

I can live without the 10 years of SH and Frogwares; I don't need any cool goodies. What I want is the game WITHOUT ONLINE ACTIVATION. Sorry for shouting but so help me, we've waited and waited for this game and now to be told that Dave has to import the thing for us and that we may have to/probably do have to activate it online is too much!

Edit: Here it is, straight from the System Requirements posted on Adventure Gamers: INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR GAME ACTIVATION. (Their caps, not mine.)

Congratulations, Frogwares, that's one sale you just lost.


Gil.

Traveler I'm with you on this one. I want a game disk with no online activation.

@traveler,

Frogwares is an independent developer, making games. Our worldwide publisher is Focus and Focus choose (and I believe it's a good choice) to work
with a publisher in North America, Atlus, and Atlus choose NOT to release the game on PC.

Why?

because it doesn't make sense economically. PC buyers of boxed games are not numerous enough in NA, and the retail channels (walmart, target) refuse to carry adventure titles beyond 20 USD. The testament is not a 19.99 adventure game.

So, eventually, North America will not have boxed versions. Frogwares is not responsible for that decision, it's the market, the retails channels, the publishers logistics, the margins that dictates that.

80 people in Ukraine, working in a studio are not deciding of the global rules of game trade in North America.

About activation, yes we have online activation, but...Who hasn't?

you buy games on Steam, online activation, BigFishGames, online activation. Apple itunes and appstore, all online.
And it's not limited to games, Amazon, plane tickets, pay your local taxe, fine for police, even voting...
Fighting online sales, activations, might be your choice but it's not connected to Frogwares choice or policy, it is how the world works today.

Protection for our games, is protection for our jobs. With internet speed today and availibility of free content, we are resisting theft and piracy, I don't believe it's shameful to want to have reasonnable profit over our work, and be able to do the next game.

So we make a collector edition for the 10 years, you can order the game from Amazon.co.uk, we want you to play the game and have fun, but please do not ask us to work backwards.

Last thing, you have possiblity to activate the game on 3 computers simulaneously. at all times. It means that you can uninstall from one comp and install on another, it gives a better range for lending the game away, or resell it, because activations will continue to work through time.

Thanks for the clarification, thehood.

The Testament of Sherlock Holmes is a great game.

Hope that the gamers will all take advantage playing this quality and soon to be classic game.

Thanks for checking in TheHood and for the information. I completely understand the reasons for no North American release by the publisher. This is not the first time a game released everywhere but not here. At least, thanks to Interact, we can still buy an Imported box game.

I also understand the reasons for Steam, Bigfish, ITunes etc having Online activations as they are...ahem...Online download stores. I think what most of us object to is Online activation of a legal physical copy we have purchased. But you are right in the fact that it looks like the direction that most are using and this is not the place to bring a discussion up about that subject. It has been discussed to death on the Internet and not needed again. It is what it is..

Is Amazon.UK the only place to get the Collectors edition of the 10 years of Frogwares?

Looking forward to giving the game a try.

I believe the collector edition is to be carried by Frogwares only, it's 500 units, and a certain amount of them will be gifted to long time partners and team members.

more news soon.

Thanks

Does the Frogware Store ship overseas?

Where is the place to bring this subject up if not on a gaming forum? It may have been "discussed to death" but I think you'll see, if you look, the many objections to DRM of any kind on games being funded directly by the players on Kickstarter.

I'm truly grateful for and appreciative of GOG. Games slowly but surely get there and I can wait. If they don't get there, I'll live. At least there's someplace that offers games with no strings attached.

You do what you feel you have to do, thehood. I have no doubt this will be a good game. Whether or not it will be a classic, remains to be seen. Still, I hope, as the saying goes, that Frogwares lives long and prospers. It will just do it without me.

Gil.
the dinosaur who doesn't use Steam

Gil

What I meant was that this thread is not the place for another debate.

Thank you Greyfuss. I agree with you.

Ana

Well I'm positive this new Sherlock game WILL be another "classic" and as long as Frogwares continues to make Adventure games that are playable on a PC I will be first in line to buy !!!! [And I love pouring over the updates we are treated to as well ]

Have to agree with u Mad, will be right behind you in that line.

Totally up to you, Mad. I really hope the game meets all your expectations.


Gil.

Well the Frogware Adventures games I've bought so far have been excellent - as also was the Casual they developed - so I can't see any reason why this new Adventure wouldn't be

But in any case, my method has always been to "buy and try" - whether from an established developer or a newbie.
I can't blame anyone else then if I come a cropper

"PC buyers of boxed games are not numerous enough in NA,"

Can't have buyers if they don't put them out anymore.

What came first - the chicken or the egg?

I'm just grateful these days to be able to get a game on a disc.

oldbroad, if the demand was there I can assure you the boxes would be on the shelf. Most of the retail shoppers are buying PS3 and XBox360 games. PC is not what the majority of gamers are using and the ones that do, download.

Ana

An interesting enough topic of discussion,
somewhat related to ***In the Shadow of the Monster*** --
but maybe better continued in another thread.

Jenny100, have yet to follow your link.

Ana, I admit I don't know enough about it to shoot my mouth off but it seems that the downloads come out first and since everybody is always waiting so long for the game to come out, that's what they do. I feel that if the disc came out first, people would buy it.

It just goes along with some of what I feel is wrong with our economy but THAT is definitely not for this thread or forum.

I haven't been gaming as long as most of the people here but I totally see a difference in these last couple of years. It's just depressing!

Edit: Good article Jenny!

@traveler

GOG doesn't propose boxed games, but downloadable, I thought you were interested in boxed games only?

GOG is proposing games that have no economic actuality and activity, Frogwares has some games there, without DRM of course, because they are already on free content networks and protect them wouldn't make economical sense...

GOG belongs to CD projekt company, that released the Witcher 2, a game that require online activation to be played...Seems they agree only partly with the DRM free policy...

The industry is not going to provide content for free, because people want it, or you'll end up with F2P games, that will be of lower quality and that you'll end up to pay much more to enjoy (E.g. mystery manor on IOS).

Unfortunately, you're making a point of not playing a game, whether good or not, I agree with you, not because it's good or not, but because you don't like the way it is distributed, and putting on the developer shoulder the responsability of how the world works...

In another topic, I told that no publisher in NA are going to carry PC adventure games in boxes anymore, it's a fact, not an opinion. You can believe it's a discussion between us, but it's not. I'm sorry you don't like it, because for us, developers, it's better, (better royalties, better control over sales, better relations with portals, better cash flowetc...) therefore it's better for games creation and it should be what interest you. Games of better quality and coming.

You see today old adventure legends coming back on the scene. And many people think it's cool. And this is because of boxed games? or publishers? No, it's because of players. They choose not to use DRM because it's trendy and politically correct, but mostly, because they do the money BEFORE selling the game, not after, like us, so we need to protect ourselves. So every side of the market have pros and cons, probably some of the cons is that you feel less free than before, while you are actually more, since you can have your games installed and playable on more machines simultaneously, and you can you use Steam cloud, to play at work, and at home the same game, without carrying your saves with you... a little loss compared to far more comfort of playing and more respect of games creators and less power to corporations...IMHO