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Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1107939
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Hi, my fellow Boomers,
After all the "hype" about this game, it's rather disappointing to read Greyfuss's review so far. Also,I don't even know if my computer can handle the system requirements, the minimum being 4 gigs of Ram. I have 6 gigs on my windows 10 pc, but the game might be 'sluggish" at the very least. With a price tag of $40, I would need to play a Demo first. Has anybody found a playable Demo of this game from a legitimate site?.I've done a search for one, but the sources I've found don't seem to be that credible. (Greyfuss had mentioned a Demo in his post). So much for HAPPY GAMING on THIS one LOL
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Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: Mad] #1107941
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Originally Posted By: Mad
Well I wouldn't have bought from Steam - but after reading this I won't be buying from anywhere !!

How very disappointing

But not unexpected considering it was designed for console.
Benoit Sokal has made it clear in various interviews that he's primarily interested in making games for console and not for PC.

Syberia is not the only game series that has been diminished by "consolization" (having sequels developed mainly for console when the original games in the series were made for PC).

Originally Posted By: Starcom
I know this sounds mean and the Mods might remove this last paragraph, but I really hope the Company falls flat on their face with this one and loose money on it, then maybe they will go back to drawing board and re-configure the game to make it PC/Mouse compatible and this can be done via Patches.

Ana is right. They will not turn it into a point-and-click.
If the game fails, they will claim there is no market for adventure games, even though adventure gamers are obviously not the target audience.

Originally Posted By: sanford
Has anybody found a playable Demo of this game from a legitimate site?.I've done a search for one, but the sources I've found don't seem to be that credible. (Greyfuss had mentioned a Demo in his post).

The so-called "demo" was only sent to certain game sites to do a preview of the game. You can watch it on YouTube but I doubt you'll find it for download anywhere.

Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1107953
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Thanks Jenny,
There is no way that I will consider purchasing this game now.Already it seems to be a "loser" (in my not so humble opinion). I don't even own an X-BOX, or any other controller for that matter. SIERRA, where have you gone? I've been looking at GOG, STEAM, and Zodiac, and I haven't seen ANYTHING resembling a GOOD adventure game that I would purchase.
Sorry for my ranting!
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Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1107964
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There are Let's Plays of Syberia 3 appearing on YouTube that you can watch if you're interested in the story but can't handle the controls (or if your computer doesn't meet requirements).

Originally Posted By: sanford
I've been looking at GOG, STEAM, and Zodiac, and I haven't seen ANYTHING resembling a GOOD adventure game that I would purchase.

I don't know what you're looking for or what you've played recently. But maybe you could replay an old favorite like the first Lost Horizon game or Gabriel Knight 2 if you're not seeing any current adventure games that are the type you're interested in.

Originally Posted By: sanford
SIERRA, where have you gone?

Sierra was victim of a hostile takeover. You can read about it in interviews with Al Lowe at http://www.nodontdie.com/al-lowe/
and http://www.brainlazy.com/article/this-week/al-lowe-interview/

Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: oldbroad] #1107966
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Originally Posted By: oldbroad

I wonder what Voyage mode is.


There are two Modes/Difficulty to play in, this is what they say.

Quote:
Adventure Mode:
You want to enjoy all the sensations of the first two Syberia games with fewer visual clues.

Voyage Mode:
You play for the story and want to have visual clues


Right now I would have to question the statement in Adventure Mode "You want to enjoy all the sensations of the first two Syberia games" because with these controls its very hard to get any sensation of the first two games as I have to pay so much attention to the controls which makes it difficult to explore the environment.

For Voyager Mode my guess is, as I am playing Adventure Mode, that maybe there is a Hotspot Highlighter. Maybe I will switch over just to see but I prefer playing without any help. Over 2.5 hours in and so far the conundrums you face are no more than a novice adventure game player could solve and I certainly have to question whoever was the creator who came up with this feat...

SPOILER>>>
Click to reveal..
find a tin gas can and fill it up with Hydrocloric Acid then pour the acid onto a heavy duty, thick metal chain so the acid would burn right through it. That must be one heck of a tin gas can duh


One thing different in Syberia 3 is that Kate isn't stuffing her shirt with all kinds inventory items... lol


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Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1107994
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I get thrown out of the story immersion in games and TV shows/movies with such far fetched actions. My brain immediately catches it and I focus on the ridiculousness of it all. Doesn't sound good to me at all. What a disappointment.


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Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1107998
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I agree Sheriff

I do have to make one correction to a statement I made earlier about the game saving upon exiting. Today when playing it didn't save on exit as when I loaded the game up a couple times I was not where I had quit in the previous session and I had to play a small portion again. Strange as I was sure it saved on exit every time I played on the first day but maybe it was just a coincidence. The game does save in spots automatically and you know when that happens when a set of gears appear in the top right corner of the screen. I doesn't seem to be a long time in between these markers but if you are lost for what to do and don't hit the save triggers it may take longer.

If this game was made for the consoles first and foremost my question would be: is there a big market for traditional Adventure games on consoles? I would have thought the market would be minimal or at least equal to the PC as it seems the console players would be more into action adventures such as Final Fantasy and games like that. My other question is why they didn't use the method used in the games like Frogwares Sherlock Holmes and Cyans Obduction where there is a happy medium between the consoles and the PC's


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Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1108003
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It seems to me from what I am reading, it doesn't work well with controller or keyboard so who does it appeal to? If they were hoping to gain a bigger audience, I don't think they went about it the right way.


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Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1108012
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True Dat....Does that make me sound like a young hipster? snicker

I have progressed somewhat far and have 6 hours in. Getting a little more use to using the controls but still don't like it. I don't bang into things or go in circles as much but it still happens regularly. I think the biggest problem I have is the camera angle. For example i am guiding Kate from behind down a street, I turn left into an alley using both the 'W' (forward) and the 'A' Key (left. Once I am in the alley the camera view changes to in front of Kate where she should be walking towards the camera but I still have the 'W' and/or 'A' key pressed which immediately turns her around to her right and and either walks into a wall or walks away. This may also happen with a controller. The story is getting better and it is what drives me to slog on.


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Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1108017
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Update from Microids
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Hello Syberia community. First of all thank you for your support and feedbacks ; both negative and positive. We are really happy to see that Syberia community is so strong. We really hope that new and ancient players will enjoy this new sequel and we would like to strengthen and improve our communication with the community. There is a lot of message and we are reading all of them and take all into account in order to provide you with updates.


We are currently working hard to deliver a patch as soon as possible that will help you to improve your game experience. Here is the list of the known issues we are working on.



Controls: we are improving control on keyboard/mouse and compatibility with most gamepad controllers.
Russian and Chinese Fonts are too small
Voice over and sound issues:
Save game issue: some of you have issue loading previous save. Currently the only known tip is to start a new game and load the previous save.
Material compatibility.
Mac optimization


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Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: GreyFuss] #1108018
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Originally Posted By: GreyFuss
If this game was made for the consoles first and foremost my question would be: is there a big market for traditional Adventure games on consoles?

No, but they think the market will be the combination of adventure gamers and console gamers when it's actually something less than the intersection of the two groups. As Ana pointed out, even the gamepad controls aren't ideal. It's insulting -- they think that adventure gamers will buy anything with the name Syberia on it, and they think console gamers will buy anything that can be played on a console.

Originally Posted By: GreyFuss
Over 2.5 hours in and so far the conundrums you face are no more than a novice adventure game player could solve

Look at the previous games made by Koalalabs -- Dracula 4 and 5 (fairly easy and as much casual games as adventure games) and a few casualized ports of PC games to IOS/Android/Mac.
http://www.koalabs-studio.com/games/
If you're familiar with the PC originals and have played any of these ports, you know how many puzzles and hotspots were removed from the ports. They're advertised as "optimized for IOS" but that's BS-speak for "we cut out all the parts that couldn't be easily plugged into our prefab game engine."

Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1108021
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It always surprises me and I was again thinking this as I play Syberia 3, don't they have real Adventure Game Players and real Console Game players test these games during Beta? I don't mean in house players or family and friends but actual players to give unbiased feedback. These control issues would have been addressed a long time ago if they had I would think.


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The killer for me is not being able to use the mouse for camera angle and the WASD keys for movement. Using WASD for all movement is awkward and imprecise. Will definitely NOT be ponying up my money for this game.


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Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: GreyFuss] #1108035
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Originally Posted By: GreyFuss
It always surprises me and I was again thinking this as I play Syberia 3, don't they have real Adventure Game Players and real Console Game players test these games during Beta? I don't mean in house players or family and friends but actual players to give unbiased feedback. These control issues would have been addressed a long time ago if they had I would think.

I think the strongest clue I've got from reading this thread so far is that any play testing with 'actual players' will give an awful lot of VERY BIASED feedback.

The controls in Syberia 3 are very like Grim Fandango; i.e. what's called tank controls. And nobody gives that game a hard time for it!

Although, I must admit, I miss the simplicity of point & click controls in a PC game, no matter what Benoit Sokal might think.

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I hear ya...do you think that because this game is third person is why that type of control wont work well and that it was more suited for first person? That was crossing my mind as I played today.


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LOL...I hated Grim Fandango! Couldn't get past an hour or two it was that bad for me. lol

If thats what you call Biased Testing then thats exactly what they need from the real people that would be playing the games and not those employees, creators or programmers that have a vested interest or their family and friends who may not give the proper criticism so as not to hurt anyone's feelings. Thats all I'm sayin.



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I do testing for one of the adv companies and I can tell you that there is a lot of valuable information from the testers that generates changes to the game before release... LOTS!!! and the games are better for this.


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Thanks for the additional info GreyFuss regarding the modes and saves.

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I will not believe anything negative about Syberia 3, I am certain it is great and I look forward to playing it. I don't buy games for the PS4 anymore because the resolution is normal HD. Much better on the Mac or PC in very high definition. And I can still use the controller of the PS4 to play on PC. So for me the WASD is not an issue. People should consider buying a controller to use with their PC, maybe the Steam one, but I have not tried it. It might be easier and more compatible to buy a XBox controller for the PC, since it is Microsoft. They are all very much compatible with any new game, and then, no more WASD headache. I'm sure there are lots of used ones for sale on eBay.

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I want a point and click game I can play with a mouse. I do not like controllers and if that's what they want to do, they will do it without me. My money will go to something else.


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Originally Posted By: BrownEyedTigre
I want a point and click game I can play with a mouse. I do not like controllers and if that's what they want to do, they will do it without me. My money will go to something else.


I agree with you 100% on your comment regarding mouse vs controllers or joystick, why in the HellO would I want to buy a controller or gamepad for one maybe 2 games, nope and as BrownEyedTiger said, I will also put my Hard Earned Cash elsewhere.

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I thought the same for a long time, I must admit.

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I second that "emotion", Starcom. There are enough "playable" games out there, including (in my case) many boxed games still on my shelves that I'd like to replay, two of my favorites being S1 and S2, which I recently DID play again (with your help). I just started to play "Vampyre Story" again, and it's working perfectly on my WIN 10 PC (in spite of what I read in the "Windows 10 and Games" posting.
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I understand your disappointment with the controls in the new Syberia game, which we all expected so much from. For an oldtimer like myself that is, however, not the major concern. Keyboard controls is not new for those of us, who actually played games like Maniac Mansion way back in the past. I would certainly prefer a mouse driven adventure game today, but you can very well play it with a keyboard only, if you are not rushed to do things.

So, my question to GreyFuss and other players is, do you have to do any keyboard dexterity, like mini games, fast action etc. ?

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Read the reviews on Steam. THey all say the the same thing over and over. It isn't the fact you need to use the keyboard or controller, it's the fact that it's still not controllable. If people used to controllers are having a hard time, I sure will be!


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What BET and Starcom said...

That's a good point about the camera angle and first or third person, Greyfuss... Although I'm sure I've played third person games where the mouse controlled camera angle - just can't think of any right now.


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