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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: connie] #1106891
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Well, I am slowly making progress through the game. "Slowly" being the operative word whistle

I am finding it really picky about the order in which things should be done and consequently have already had to replay several parts .... making my progress even slower rolleyes

The only good thing about that is that DUE to my constantly having to retrace my steps in every area (so as to do things in an accepted order) I am getting VERY familiar with landmarks and am not getting lost quite as much .... till the next new area opens up of course laugh


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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: Lagavulin] #1106922
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Mad -what happens in the game to let you know you didn't do something in the right order?

I've had this downloaded for a while not but keep passing on it for other things.

Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: Mad] #1106931
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Originally Posted By: Mad

I am finding it really picky about the order in which things should be done and consequently have already had to replay several parts .... making my progress even slower


I am not sure I understand what you mean by "picky about the order in which things should be done" Mad Nor do I understand why you had to replay several parts. This game is straight forward and is exploratory and in your exploration you discover things that must be done and further exploration will give you clues to do that, no different than any other Adventure Game. I saw nothing in the game that if you didn't follow a certain order you would have had to replay any parts. Now if you are talking about how to solve a certain puzzle, conundrum or problem then of course the puzzle has to be solved the correct way to proceed but certainly not having to replay any areas. IMHO, this game was made perfect in every way.


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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: oldbroad] #1106936
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Well, oldbroad, here is an example :-

I found a lens.
So later, when I discovered somewhere that I could fit it, I went ahead and fitted it.
But afterwards I couldn't do what I thought should be able to do. Nor was I allowed to remove the lens.

After bad frustration set in, I went to a walkthrough and looked at that particular section for a hint.
But all I could find was that I appeared to have used the lens before I should have done.
So then I had to re-play a chunk of game in order to be able to fit the lens at the right time.
Once I did that, I was able to carry on.

Nothing happened in the game to TELL me I hadn't done things in the correct order, though. I just couldn't proceed rolleyes

EDIT :
You posted whilst I was composing my reply GreyFuss. Sorry !!






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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: Lagavulin] #1106937
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I am not a fan of that kind of pickiness Mad! I tend to always do things out of order!


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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: Lagavulin] #1106939
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I put the Lens in early too Mad but it was just left there until such time that I figured out what I was supposed to do with it, I don't think any replay is necessary just more exploration.


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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: GreyFuss] #1106940
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What further exploration, GreyFuss ??

I have just looked at that part of the walkthrough again and as far as I can see there was nothing else for me to "find" or "find out".

Maybe you would be kind enough to post over on the Hints Board and tell me how I could have proceeded - with the lens in place too early think

EDIT :

"I am not a fan of that kind of pickiness Mad! I tend to always do things out of order!"

Hehehe !! Me, too, BrownEyedTigre yes

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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: Lagavulin] #1106941
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Hm. Okay. Thanks Mad and GreyFuss. Maybe it's time to stop looking at the icon on my desktop and start playing the game to see how it goes for me.

Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: Lagavulin] #1106943
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I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here. I am REALLY enjoying this game being the BIG MYST fan I am. I am thru the MINE & now in the MECHANICS & I am a bit stuck but I have been stuck several times before but only had to get help from a walkthrough fir THE CAVE puzzle. I don't think I had to do anything in any order. The game lets you progress as you solve the conundrum at hand. It's not a ez game but not as hard as MYST...IMHO. There are clues to solve every puzzle. Some obvious, some subtle & some a bit cryptic but they're out there. LOVING THIS GAME!!

Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: Lagavulin] #1106947
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Thanks for your input Scotty!

Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: oldbroad] #1106992
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Yes, thank you from me, too, Scotty ....
And good luck to you, oldbroad, if you have a go with Quern.
You persevere so well it's probably going to be right up your street !! laugh

Whilst being a long time Adventure game player myself, I am not and never have been a "Myst" type game fanatic but will give one a whirl now and then laugh

And this is one of those "now and then" times lol


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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: Mad] #1106994
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You are more courageous than I am, Mad - I am terrible at Myst-like games! They make me feel like I belong in the Home for the Utterly Clueless. laugh

Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: Marian] #1106997
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Oh, believe me, Marian. When it comes to Myst style games, I'm a long term resident in the "Home for the Utterly Clueless" snicker

But I would so like to accomplish completion of a second Myst style game as the only one I have EVER managed to get right to the end of was Myst Exile blush

But I acknowledge I'll probably need a little help now and then to do it eek

EDIT :

Something else I've noticed about this game is that it doesn't always retain the save I make immediately after solving a puzzle. When I use the save, it puts me back to where I am about to solve the puzzle.
This has happened twice now and I don't like it !! eek

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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: Lagavulin] #1107001
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Well I was utterly clueless when I first played Myst but back then, I was utterly clueless about any game I attempted. I ended up eventually playing the game by using a walkthrough but I think I learned something about game playing anyway. I did much better with the rest of the Myst games but I think they were all easier too. I've never replayed any of them (yet).

I'm quite sure that both of you, Marian and Mad, are not nearly as clueless as you say!

Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: oldbroad] #1107004
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I've made quite a bit of progress today but I certainly AM "clueless" with this type of game a lot of the time, oldbroad. Mainly because I constantly get lost if I am in a vast area scared



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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: Lagavulin] #1107038
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Mad, are you Loading your last Save or just using the Continue?


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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: GreyFuss] #1107051
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Hi GreyFuss smile

Both were times when I had saved right after solving a puzzle.
[Then I'd closed the game and switched off my computer.]

When I came back at a later time, I chose to "load" that last save.

However, both times the game loaded to immediately before the puzzle had been solved.

Since then I haven't saved immediately after solving a puzzle. I've moved away from the puzzle area and then saved - and all has been OK.

So I will continue to do that !! yes

EDIT :
Made another chunk of progress now !! Yippee !! hamster hamster hamster

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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: Mad] #1107598
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Got through another chunk or two now but this game certainly frazzles my brain at times. So much so that often I have to save and quit before it's too late and I turn nto a ....
zombie

lol lol lol


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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: Lagavulin] #1109186
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As the years have gone by, I have become more sensitive to dizziness/nausea if there is any head-bob or 'floating camera' as you move. Has anyone experienced that?

Jenny, have you played it? You've often said that you have the same issue.

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I get sea-sick and Migraines from that SirDave. You aren't alone.

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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: SirDave] #1109191
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Originally Posted By: SirDave
As the years have gone by, I have become more sensitive to dizziness/nausea if there is any head-bob or 'floating camera' as you move. Has anyone experienced that?

Jenny, have you played it? You've often said that you have the same issue.

I bought Quern -- because there aren't many 1st person puzzle games being made (unless you count casual games, which tend to be too easy and have too many pop-ups).

I haven't installed it yet though. Maybe tomorrow.
I've watched parts of YouTube playthroughs of Quern, and I've yet to find one that didn't give me nausea. Whether I can play Quern depends a lot on whether the game's controls allow you to move slowly and smoothly -- moreso than any YouTube player felt was necessary.

I have problems with nausea with most first person FPS-style movement.
Bobbing makes it worse.

Widescreen monitors make it worse. It doesn't help to run a game in 4:3 aspect ratio on a widescreen monitor, probably because the black bars at the sides are the same plane as the picture that's making me sick, where with a 4:3 CRT monitor seeing around the sides of the monitor helps.

Games that didn't bother me on a 4:3 CRT monitor, like Journeyman Project 3, bother me on a widescreen monitor, even with a 4:3 aspect ratio.

Kheops games with panning that never bothered me on a 4:3 CRT monitor will bother me on a widescreen monitor.

If the camera is far enough off the ground and pulled back far enough, as in
the "3rd person"/"follow cam" mode in Uru: Complete Chronicles, I don't get
motion sick (except in those few locations that are in close quarters, when
the camera zooms in).

Some people claim they are helped by adjusting Field of View. But in my case, whenever adjusting Field of View starts making things look unnatural, it makes nausea worse.

It isn't just 1st person games. I will also get motion sick in 3rd person games where the camera moves around uncontrollably (usually only happens in 3D games, and not 2D or 2.5D games).

Some older games are "converted" to widescreen by zooming in and chopping off the top and bottom of the original picture, and for that reason the "updated" versions will give me nausea even though the original version did not.

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Jenny, it's a dirty trick on both of us. I've read a number of posts from people getting dizzy from Quern. If I were king, I would decree that all AGs have to offer a point and click option. smile

I was going to buy it off GOG, but I'm not sure that the computer I want to use will run it. The given minimum specs required are so high, but I've sometimes found in the past that the actual required specs are not as high as those listed. My computer has a Core 2 Duo 2.53 ghz CPU with 4g memory and a dedicated ATI Radeon HD 4570 GPU. I'm wondering if anyone here got Quern running respectably on a computer with specs lower than those listed.

I've ranted on this before, but I don't understand why a game like Riven could have the wonderful graphics it had and yet, you could run it on a fairly low-powered PC. Yes, I know that present day AGs use 3D graphics and movement, but still the specs required now mean that one has to have a computer with specs for AGs comparable to those for far more GPU-intensive action/war games. It just seems unnecessary and is limiting the number of buyers. I would also add that there are some pretty sophisticated games (3D action with great graphics) that run on relatively hardware limited iPads.

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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: Lagavulin] #1109333
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Originally Posted By: SirDave
I was going to buy it off GOG, but I'm not sure that the computer I want to use will run it. The given minimum specs required are so high, but I've sometimes found in the past that the actual required specs are not as high as those listed. My computer has a Core 2 Duo 2.53 ghz CPU with 4g memory and a dedicated ATI Radeon HD 4570 GPU. I'm wondering if anyone here got Quern running respectably on a computer with specs lower than those listed.

I don't think it will run on that computer -- certainly not well. Both the video card and the processor are slower than what is listed for Quern, and they also ask for 8 GB of RAM.
***Quern listed requirements at game-debate***
***Radeon HD 7770 vs HD 4570 at GPUBoss***
Even if Quern does somehow run on that computer, the trouble with running a game with 3D movement on a computer with less than the minimum listed requirements is that the picture chugs and jerks and movement isn't smooth. The jerky movement is worse for people that get motion sickness.

You'll probably enjoy a replay of Riven more anyway.

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Fortunately I don't suffer from this type of nausea myself but for anyone who does, attempting to play Quern could certainly cause them problems yes


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Re: QUERN - Undying Thoughts [Re: Lagavulin] #1109384
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A friend has suggested taking a travel sickness pill 20 minutes before playing the game. I haven't tried myself yet, but if someone wants to give it a try and report back? sick

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