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Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114822
06/14/04 08:22 PM
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I love GB's; I hope my avatar shows that. And my small goal is to have the 'Settled Boomer' title. I'm rather new to this forum and I have a difficult time writing in English but I do make an effort in contributing to the GB spirit.

Gaming is a great hobby. And like many other great hobbies, gaming thrived long enough to break being a fad and started to become a culture. Gaming is not something that is just given by a pricetag. Every game is a work of art. We could get visual, audio stimulations from TV commercials but games are far different. Games grow on us; they mold our emotions. I can tell gaming became a cultural identity not because its just fun and popular. It's because I see people talk over them in forums. Let's just see which lasts longer, the GB forum or a forum for "Friends."

When I play an adventure game, I feel I am adventuring. An adventure would just not be an adventure if there wasn't any myths, legends, artifacts, maps, tales, rumors, and riddles. They are the human factor, my guides. A lost artifact is a speck of fire burried in ashes. When exposed, our hearts are at a blaze. The heat spreads like a forest-fire. Don't we have that feeling when we discover a new adventure game?

Because adventuring is deeply rooted within us, it is only natural to express our passion. We have to share news and information, write reviews, make walkthroughs, and finally make games. And how could all this happen if it weren't for the kind people that encourages us and moderates our forums? There were times when we had to 'hope that we could buy a walkthrough from some magazine.' If those dark ages lasted longer, I would have had to convert to movies.

Being a MOD is tough. I am a MOD of Post-Adventure (the Korean adventure portal) and I face difficulties myself. I learn a lot from the MODs of GB's and they are all great people. I once made a comic strip that degraded people using warez and there was quite a commotion. I had to delete a thread because things got out of hand. I thought I was open to other people's opinions but a wild thread is a disaster. I repeat, wild threads are a disaster. Once we press enter after writing a thread, the words stick. All the convincing in the world can't make a person say "I was wrong and I will never post such a comment again." The common reply would be "I have my reasons and I can voice my opinion." Strike and Counter-strike. A cycle begins and there's just one thing to do, to make a firm stop. I would love to share my thoughts with many people but wild threads causes great tension. Certain comments are bound to create a certain reply.

The MODs are the nicest people around. They go through so much trouble and do so much for us. Even more than what brushes our eyes. Although I have my views, I should not get offended by them. I trust that they always mean well.

I remember my times in the military. "You %@$%# @%#$!" can mean "I'm concerned about you so do better next time." Time went by and I've learned that it really meant that more than I thought not so. The true evil is ignorance and discontent. Last sunday, the pastor showed me a white sheet with a large black dot. He said, "Isn't there more white but why are you only seeing the black?"

Maybe I should hold a MOD only contest.


I am not an adventurer by choice but by fate.

-Vincent van Gogh
Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114823
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Quote:
When I play an adventure game, I feel I am adventuring. An adventure would just not be an adventure if there wasn't any myths, legends, artifacts, maps, tales, rumors, and riddles. They are the human factor, my guides. A lost artifact is a speck of fire burried in ashes. When exposed, our hearts are at a blaze. The heat spreads like a forest-fire. Don't we have that feeling when we discover a new adventure game?
Well I certainly feel amazingly happy when I do hit that level with a game that I am playing. Thanks for articulating that buzz you get from a great game you really connect with. Well said. smile

On the "wild threads" remarks. Yes yes.

I would add that the reasons for any particular action are not always what they seem. Yes it is possible to have a game full of profanity - but pan it purely because of pixel hunts. The obvious is not always relevant.

The same applies to decisions on any given forum. Maybe it is a bit like a good friend. What they do may not always make sense and you may not be given an explanation. SO you have to decide for yourselves whether they are the sort of person who would do something for a good reason or not.

If you like them and think well of them overall - maybe you just leave it be and have a little faith that their moves are deeply thought about, have circumstances that demand discretion and accept it and move on. Maybe they will tell you what was going on later - maybe they won't. If their actions cause you uncertainty then by all means, take it up with them privately or publically if you need reassurance. But don't be surprised if the public answer is ... silence. Sometimes getting into the why of an action is even more problematic than the action itself. Something to think about

If these people are the sort you don't like and distrust on some level - well if it were me I would find a new set of friends. smile





Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114824
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Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114825
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Those are both excellent posts. wave

Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114826
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Thank you all, and I can see Susan's avatar now. bravo
And thank you Gatorlaw for the great insight.


I am not an adventurer by choice but by fate.

-Vincent van Gogh
Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114827
06/14/04 11:24 PM
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Magicscroll your GB title may not yet be 'settled boomer' but your post shows you are undoubtedly "Boomer Spirited". <img border="0" alt="bravo" title="" src="graemlins/bravo.gif " />

I'm sure our terrific mods appreciate your insight that they do the very best they can. What us members see on the surface can many times be quite deceiving.

Personally I chose to become a GB because of the peaceful nature here. I love relaxing with good friends. If I want dissension I certainly don't need a forum, I have hormonal teenagers. This is one of my escapes from them. wink

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Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114828
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Magicscroll, It was purely your sentiments that inspired me to say something.

Thank you. very much.





Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114829
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Magicscroll...I have spoken, studied and struggled to improve my English all my life, but I could never improve upon the pure poetry and sincere sentiment that you expressed in your post. I had wished to somehow comment on this issue, but since I really didn't know the "details" (such as they might have been) I abstained.

However, now that the "subject" has come up again, I would like to take this oppurtunity to express my FULL and UNQUALIFIED support for the moderators of all the Gameboomers Forums and again thank them for the wonderful work they do! What we see on the threads is obviously not the "whole" story. The mods are privy to information we do not (and should not) have, and I for one have faith that they are making fair and equitable decisions based on the information they do have.

As Cheryl so succinctly put it, this is a place for relaxing with good friends and sharing a common love: games and gaming. The Internet is a large and varied universe...and if the ambiance here is not to your liking, then there is certainly someplace that you will feel meets your needs. As for me, I like it here with the grown-ups!

praise and thanks


Rae

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Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114830
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For me the story-telling and characters are the key features that enmesh me in a game, but I'm happy to agree to disagree with those who like the puzzles and discovery aspect.

Human beings can be touchy, ready to take things the wrong way. Humour in particular I've found dangerous for its potential to be misunderstood, even when I'm speaking to someone I know let alone someone half way round the world I've never met.

As far as possible live in harmony with everyone is a good prescription. There will be those you can't live in harmony with and then I seek to leave them alone. Sometimes sadly if someone is disruptive you don't have a lot of choice.

The term "Moderator" makes me think of the rods used to control the reaction in a nuclear plant. Without moderation you end up with Chernobyl.


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Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114831
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I haven't a lot to say but I trust the moderators on GB and when a decision is made there is no doubt in my mind that it has been and will continue to be for the benefit of all concerned.

The old saying of pleasing all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but all of the people all of the time?

No way


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Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114832
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I am in full support for the moderators as well. All are doing a great job!

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Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114833
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I fully believe and understand that moderators are a necessary part of any forum. Without them, forums would inevitably tend to chaos. They put a lot of work into what they do, and I think some of the moderators here do a wonderful job.

Many of you here have complete and total trust in the staff of this forum and that's great for you. But most of you have been here for a long time. I haven't been here very long, and while I respect the job the staff do, my trust doesn't get handed out freely it has to be earned.

You can say that they don't need to earn my trust. You can say that the staff here doesn't need to to explain the actions they take. And you can say that we as members don't need to know what prompts them to take these actions; that what they're doing is best for everybody. This however is not the description of a "community". It's straight out of 1984.

It's nice to think that the staff here only do what is best for everybody all the time. But it's also a little naive. They are, after all, only human. Sometimes people do things for their own personal reasons.

Quote:
Originally posted by gatorlaw:
[QUOTE]If their actions cause you uncertainty then by all means, take it up with them privately or publically if you need reassurance. But don't be surprised if the public answer is ... silence. Sometimes getting into the why of an action is even more problematic than the action itself.
You say this, but any time anybody brings "this" up, they just end up getting silenced and ridiculed. I would like to know the truth. Why does it have to be covered up?

In particular, I would like to know why someone (Lucky's Rainbow) got banned for simply posting a message telling me that there was an email message waiting for me at my email address.

Or was it that she was banned because she's the girlfriend of someone you don't like (Bacardi Jim)?

Don't try to tell me that it doesn't involve me, because if it didn't I wouldn't feel guilty about her getting banned. It was my simple, harmless post that started this current brouhaha...all I did was point out a review. People get banned in the process and I don't have a right to know about it? Everything that's being done is for the best, but we don't need to know about it?

Maybe this is 1984.

Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114834
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I wish we had a "biting my tongue" smiley. And to all the mods...may God bless you, you have the patience of saints!


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Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114835
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I'm quite sure there will be more to it than just the comment about an email... if your email addy was in the post, that would have been deleted but the rest of the message would have been there.

We do our best to make sure the board is a harmonious place to post, don't think that means we just all agree all the time, we don't, believe me!!!! What we do try and do is be fair to all parties.

If you do feel responsible in this instance, drop one of the administrators a line and I'm sure they will reassure you. The other point is, if someone does something wrong via emails etc, it is Not right that we give that info out on the board as it should be private between the two parties.


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Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114836
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Thank you all for your opinions. My opinion was mostly focused on myself. I can't conceive the thoughts of others, even if I ask politely. Heck, I often ask myself, "What was I thinking?"

There just wouldn't be a complete story unless every single word from everybody was jotted down for all to see. That may not accomplish anything and if one person refuses, by all means, that's his or her right.

I can never speak on behalf of anyone else nor openly assume other people's intentions. I have a hard time defending my own actions and words. Sometimes, I fail to even do so.

If I see a thread listing the truth, I would not feel happy. It would either be or seem to be a "who did what" blame. It would look like a schoolboy wearing a dunce-cap as a punishment. I would be upset; I may be the one to wear the cap later on. Don't get me wrong that MODs play teachers. The mind of a schoolboy is what I have while I write and rewrite my posts.

I can never expect a reply that makes the replier loose face. It would be like shaking a tree and expecting a fish.

And to Peter Smith, personally, I don't like lonely adventures. But I understand many have different tastes. Maybe they're like Tetris.


I am not an adventurer by choice but by fate.

-Vincent van Gogh
Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114837
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Hi all,
Kirkdnose, I hope you correspond with the mod of your choice to get more information on what went on, if that's possible. I think you are a brave person for bringing this up, and I admire you for it. You don't want a perfectly innocent post you did to result in someone being banned. I hope you get your answers, and I for one would very much like you to stay and continue to post! I like it when people question stuff, and I think that's the sign of being a good gameboomers member.

I like it here quite a lot, and I'm honored that my little write-up on Uru was featured here. I really mean that - thank you gameboomers! However, I am not into "complete and utter trust". I also don't agree with all the decisions of the mods - never have, never will. Being here doesn't mean we have to agree with everything that people say or that gameboomers does. I happen to like it here, there are good people (including the moderators) and interesting discussions, and wow, everyone here really knows their games! That's why I stay.

I also think that no board is perfect, including a different board where I'm a forum moderator. Hey, I like the board I moderate, but I don't agree with all their decisions either!

When Gaterlaw (very good message) said "have a little faith", that's what I took it as. Another way I would put it is "give them the benefit of the doubt". That's what I'm going to do, but I don't recommend you do that, since you were involved. Please talk to the mods, and see if you can get an answer, even if it's not shared with the rest of us. That is what I would want, if the same thing happened to me.

I don't know how it works here, but when a problem or issue happens on the board where I'm a moderator, sometimes it's tough to know what to do. Maybe all the mods here always agree on everything, but on the board I moderate we talk about stuff, and work our way to a decision, even if we all don't agree. On the board I moderate, it's also tough to know how much to publish, when something happens, which I think is what gaterlaw was referring to. Now maybe it's not like that at gameboomers, but maybe it is - people imperfectly working their way through an issue, and imperfectly doing the communication. I also think that no decision is perfect, sometimes it's the best one can do. That's how I think of it.

I am so, so glad that this topic came up. I welcome this openness at gameboomers, and I hope it continues. It makes me feel more a part of the community.

Thanks for reading this.


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Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114838
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If Krkdnose has such strong feelings about this board and how it is moderated, it seems to me that he should take these feelings and discuss them directly with the moderators he has problems with. Frankly, I'm getting tired of his issues being aired in the public boards. Of course, the fact that the moderators allow his postings is a direct contradiction of this being a "1984 Big Brother" entity.


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Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114839
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Hi smile

I've only seen the aftermath of whatever it was that went on here but I have to say I think "whatever it was" has been more than well and truly "discussed" ??

Surely the bottom line has to be that if a person wants to be a "Boomer" and therefore part of this "Community", then he/she must abide by whatever rules the Boomer Mods use to run the site.

If a person is not prepared to do this, then isn't it better that he/she attend a Forum elsewhere which has the kind of rules he/she might prefer ??

Then we can all get back to posting the kind of threads this board was designed to display.

Cheers.

Mad wave


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Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114840
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Hello mszv, I agree that openness is a welcome element for Gameboomers. I consider openness to be based on trust and faith. Being open is caring for the other person's feelings before your own. How else could I take other people's opinions? I can only control my own openness, not others.

I have different aspects about trust. I don't believe in partial trust. It would not be trust if tainted by doubt. Add a drop of lighter fluid into a pint of water. The water becomes an undrinkable solution.

I think it would help krkdnose if he/she trusted the MODs and inquired matters with grace. It's only fair for all, especially when answers are so wanted.


I am not an adventurer by choice but by fate.

-Vincent van Gogh
Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114841
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I've been here on the board for a while now and am a veteran of other boards, not related to gaming. I must say this one is the best moderated I have ever participated in.

One thing all the boards shared in common, even though some weren't able to achieve it, was not airing problems publicly. They ALL preferred that if a person has questions about what happened that they email the moderator concerned, directly.

Going over and over and over the same problem in public tends to start flame wars, something I definitely don't want to see here at GB. There is no reason for a moderator to publicly announce what happened between them and another member. It's private, between the two of them, unless someone emails them and wants further details. To post it on the forum could possibly embarrass the people involved. There is just no reason to do it.

I'm not always happy with decisions here, but, as people have mentioned, this is a "private" board, and if I (we) want to remain here, I (we) go by the rules. The rules are made to keep the peace, and I'm grateful for the well done job our mods do.

Jean


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Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs #114842
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Good posts, and I'm sorry for those who thought the discussion was continued needlessly. Hey, I'm stopping! Contributing was probably selfish of me, but I really liked having my say. To be fair, it doesn't happen that often, and sometimes working through an issue (not sharing the secret stuff) is a good thing.

Kirkdnose - I do hope you talk to the mods.

OK - I'm really, really stopping!

About the final expansion pack for Uru (Path of the Shell) - have you seen the latest movies (yeah I know spoilers) on Gamespot? They are so good, and (spoiler here) - there's swimming!

Charitably and kindly,


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My feelings- "Give it a rest already." There are more important things in this world to dwell on.
I love coming to this board and think the Mods are wonderful people for running this board and VOLUNTEERING their time.
That's all.
Susan

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Quote:
Originally posted by Mad:
Surely the bottom line has to be that if a person wants to be a "Boomer" and therefore part of this "Community", then he/she must abide by whatever rules the Boomer Mods use to run the site.
That would be a wonderful argument if people knew exactly what these rules are. Just what are these rule violations that get people banned??

Quote:
Originally posted by Linds:
My feelings- "Give it a rest already." There are more important things in this world to dwell on.
I love coming to this board and think the Mods are wonderful people for running this board and VOLUNTEERING their time.
That's all.
Susan
That's really easy to say isn't it, since you're still ALLOWED to come to these forums and give your opinion.

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Magicscroll, you write with such beautiful imagery, and it is exciting to read how you not only play the game, but enter the world of that adventure yourself.It is always interesting to read your well thought out posts.


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