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Still Life - Who's the Killer? - SPOILERS #118872
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Ok, guys!

Need your opinions:

Who do think is the Killer?

They left it open (must have a sequel in the works).
I think it might be Todd.


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My money is on Richard. His resemblance to Mark Ackerman was uncanny (could Richard possibly be a descendent of Mark's?) and he was obsessed with Mark's painting. Also, he wasn't around at the end when Victoria returned to the Art Gallery, and the killer had a chance to murder Victoria on a couple of occasions, but didn't.

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My money is on Richard also!


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I wrote a huge dissertation on this just now and hit the wrong button and the whole thing disappeared. I'm too depressed to re=create it. Maybe later. But I will say, Maybe Richard, maybe not.

WW


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Quote:
Originally posted by wysewomon:
I wrote a huge dissertation on this just now and hit the wrong button and the whole thing disappeared. I'm too depressed to re=create it. Maybe later. But I will say, Maybe Richard, maybe not.

WW
Ive done that before it is very frustrating!


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Another theory could be that its Pat. Maybe he uncovered Gus' notes and, being secretly deranged (I know, I'm reaching here), he set out to recreate the murders.

And also, as far as I recall, he wasn't around when Victoria goes back to the house before heading to the gallery at the end.

However, the main flaw with this theory is that surely Victoria would notice her father wasn't around when she returns home for a soak and a vodka.


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Okay, I'll try again. I have NO IDEA what I did last time...

Why I think it's Richard:

1) He's (almost) the only one not accounted for during the times the killer was active.

2) I don't like him. He's a jerk and he patronises Victoria.

3) He obviously idolises Ackerman and sees him as a heroic victim, which is not uncommon to people who copy criminals.

4) He was supposed to be watching Mia. How'd she get away from him? And where was he when Vic went back to the gallery?

5) He does, in fact, bear a surpising resemblance to Ackerman. In fact, when I first saw Ackerman, I thought, "He looks just like the guy Vic was in the gallery with in the beginning."

Why I think it's not Richard:

1) How'd he get access to the morgue? For that matter, how did the killer get access to the morgue?

2) His rapturous soliliquy about the paintings could just be wrong-headed Academic BS (a not uncommon phenomenon among art critics).

3) In the ending movie, Mia's face was not covered. Vic theorizes that several of the victims had their faces covered because the killer knew them and wanted to depersonalise them. Richard obviously knew Mia; therefore, either Richard was not the killer or Vic's theory about this was incorrect.

4) I'd think if Richard suddenly disappeared after all these events, Vic would notice.

5) if he WAS the killer and, say, escorted Mia back to her apartment, when did he change into the mask and cloak? I can't really imagine Mia swallowing some line like, "here, let me put on this kinky costume which I just happen to have along with me."

According to the game developer/writer, a close examination of the painting "The Student" will reveal more clues. I just looked at it and saw nothing except that the student wore glasses and had a mustache. The only person with glasses that I remember is Claire, who was in the morgue when Vic went off chasing the killer (and who for obvious reasons would not have a mustache). PAt might have worn glasses--I don't remember. But I really balk at the idea that he was the killer.

The Red Lantern is obviously some kind of shrine to Ackerman: his paintings, though unsigned, are everywhere. The mask and a replica of the murder weapon are on the walls. I'm remembering the occult book that Gus found in the prague studio and the events it described bear a striking resemblance to stuff Mia said about what went on in the secret chamber (people in masks and robes, etc.) I wondered if there was not ONE killer, but a society that used the murders as a kind of initiation. However, (1) it seems unlikely that a large number of people would be undergoing initiation of that sort all within weeks of one another and (2) if it was an initiation, it would be fairly codified and the MO wouldn't change as this killer's did. Still, I wonder if there was some weird S/M role playing going on and one of the people involved just went over the top: started identifying with Ackerman and acting out the fantasy in real life. I think we don't know enough about that club or the Queen of Secrets.

At this point, I'm not sure I can go with the idea that the killer is someone we've met. If ANY of those people had vanished, Vic would notice. The alternative is that the killer fished himself out of the river and went on with his normal life (without the killing part). Now, from a dramatic standpoint I don't think the killer is actually dead. But unless he was wearing a wetsuit under the rest of his garb, he'd probably be suffering from immersion in a icy river for a while, not to mention a gunshot wound. I think both of these would be hard to hide.

Long and short: I still think Richard is the likeliest of the people in the game. But it could be someone else entirely. Richard is too young to be the perp in the LA murders in any case. This points to an ongoing legacy or someone much older.

That's all I have to say for now.

WW


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Bravo, WW! bravo

Your analysis is well thought out and explained. Richard is the "obvious" choice of characters we've met...which is precisely why I don't think it's him. (Your point about Vic noting his absence is well taken.)

But could Richard be an accomplice of the killer? That could explain Mia falling into the hands of the killer. Hmmmm... Or Richard knowing the killer...another artist perhaps whom we've yet to meet.

Lots of questions remain...which could be the fault of either swiss cheese plot development...or a very clever twist.

I'm waxing inane here. Just wanted to let you know your treatise has received very serious consideration!

Well done!

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Hey, thanks!

I think twists and things yet to be revealed in LA and the planned-yet-shelved-due-to-legal-issues sequel are more likely the issue than bad plot development. The game held together plot-wise if you take those things into account.

Though many think it unlikely, I'm rooting for the issues to get resolved and the sequel to happen. According to Frank Nicodem from U-Hints, this isn't outside the realm of possibility.

WW


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Yourwelcome W Squared!

I agree that the plot held together very well, which lends the explanation more toward an interesting twist versus a rushed ending.

All I can say is that there had better be the sequel. It would be ashame not to finish this series.

For now I'll remain optimistic.

JK

Re: Still Life - Who's the Killer? - SPOILERS #118882
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Well said wysewomon! I find these comments interesting. I'm not nearly that cerebral. I'm always the first to consult the WT. think

I will say this. I did not care for or trust Richard much from the time I met him. He may or may not be the killer but he's either deranged or delusional or both. You could certainly tell from (his dissertation) on (poor) Mark's paintings.

Like everyone else I don't believe we've seen the last of the killer. Like Jason and Freddie, he or she will probably be back.

fwiw. My 2cents.
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Since I asked the question; here's my thoughts on it:

1) Richard is the most likely of suspects because he knows the most about Victoria and her family history, but..........He's too obvious.

2) Todd is also likely because of his professional relationship with Victoria and easy access to everything McPherson (Gus, Victoria, & Pat). His job also gives him all kinds of avenues for gathering of information and with his membership to the Red Lantern's Secret Rooms makes him even more a suspect. He's also able to travel (Chicago and/or L.A.)

3) Maybe a conspiracy between Richard and Todd.


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Todd? Really? I thought he couldn't get into the Red Lantern or am I thinking of the wrong person?


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Hi, gymcandy1!

Todd is Victoria's boss.

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Todd? mmmm, did not even think of him, just figured he was a Royal Pain In The Rear! just because he could be, him being the boss and all.....interesting theories you all have, makes me think and think rotfl The ending, if a sequel was planned but is shelved maybe forever, reminds me of the ending of Jack The Ripper both its unsolved ending in the original story and in the PC game too. It may never get solved. Sorry to see this series end, hope it "comes back to life".
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Oh he was home? Ah well, there goes that theory!

I don't think I was paying that much attention to the end scene, I was just annoyed at yet another game without a proper ending.


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Quote:
Originally posted by wysewomon:

5) if he WAS the killer and, say, escorted Mia back to her apartment, when did he change into the mask and cloak? I can't really imagine Mia swallowing some line like, "here, let me put on this kinky costume which I just happen to have along with me."
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lol lol Thank you, WW, for a very cogent analysis. I wish I could put my thoughts together as well.


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Well... on the other hand, with the line of work Mia was/is (? I don't think it was clear whether she survived or not, tho' I hope she did) in, I suppose Richard could have got her with the "let's indulge in fetishist nooky while my girlfriend cracks this case" line. And since Mia worked at the Red Lantern it's likely she has seen that costume in just that kind of circumstance before.

Ah, the joys of a liberal arts education: it allows you to argue both sides of any proposition with equal zest!

BTW, you never did SEE Pat after a certain point. Snores can be taped. Not that I think he did it, but hearing snoring isn't a great alibi.

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TY Susie! I loaned that game to someone and couldn't check it out. I thought Todd was Victoria's partner. I thought Todd was too antagonistic for no reason. Too stereotipical. What an arsss!

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Hi, gymcandy1!

You're welcome! Miller (the one who kept throwing up) was Victoria's partner.

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Unless you mean "partner" in the significant other sense. That was Richard. Todd was the boss in the bad suit.

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rotfl "The boss in the bad suit" I love that!

No I was talking about Miller. The work partner.
I knew he couldn't get into the Red Lantern. I believe Todd is too obvious though to be the bad guy. He's just a dork. The one you love to hate.


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I just read a forum on the microids site that talked about the possible killer, and this person had a really good point: if Victoria's father or her boyfriend had been shot or went missing, she'd have known it. So it looks to me like the boyfriend's off the hook. I never suspected her father.


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What about David Miller? The StillLife website lists his profile as:

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Miller's a good cop in a rough situation: CPD shuffled him sideways, his new partner growls at him, and even the FBI's medical examiner doesn't want him around. All of this makes David Miller a man with something to prove.
Generally, don't serial killers feel they are smarter than the law and often times play games with them? I got suspicious of him at the start of the game when he got sick at the first crime scene. It seemed like overkill to me - like he was trying to make himself seem unable to even look at such things.

He's also the only person encountered in the game who looked thin enough to fit in that suit...

Maybe I'm way off. I deleted the game from my hard drive (Playing Midnight Nowhere now), so I wasn't able to go back and play from the begining to see if it truly could have been him.

EDIT - ...AND when you click on the characters link on the StillLife site, only Victoria, Gustavus, and David are listed...he must have some importance...

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I like your thinking Ivinia. It's something to think about.

Question: Was he or was he not upstairs on the phone when she chased the killer out of the lab?

I cant remember now. I thought he was though.

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No I don't believe he was come to think of it.
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