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Re: 7th Guest [Re: oldbroad] #1224266
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Re: 7th Guest [Re: oldbroad] #1224983
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No getting lucky this time. I've been trying everyday except yesterday to beat that microscope puzzle but today I finally had to use the solve option. The closest I came since my last post was 19 squares of the 25. And then I had to use a walkthrough to find the next puzzle. Wandered around a couple of times and never saw the hotspot for it.

Do you know anybody who solved/won that microscope puzzle/game?

Re: 7th Guest [Re: oldbroad] #1225140
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I read somewhere that if you are using a modern (read: FAST) computer, it becomes impossible. That may or may not be true, but it should at least make you feel better! happydance

Re: 7th Guest [Re: Tally Ho] #1225141
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Originally Posted by Tally Ho
I read somewhere that if you are using a modern (read: FAST) computer, it becomes impossible. That may or may not be true, but it should at least make you feel better! happydance


It shouldn't be impossible if you are playing the game within an emulator (DOSBox or ScummVM, for example) on a modern computer, because emulators ensure that the game is running within a simulation of its native environment. But that puzzle was always a major pain anyway. laugh

Re: 7th Guest [Re: oldbroad] #1225142
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Over 20 years ago, they would tell you if you were using a "Fast" computer the microscope puzzle would be impossible. Back then "Fast" meant 200 mhz, a tiny fraction of modern computer speeds.

You can still find walkthroughs that tell you this, because the original walkthrough was written over 25 years ago, back around 1995 when a 200 mhz computer was a fast, top-of-the-line computer.

If you try to play the game using the original game exe on a 64-bit computer, the game will not run at all because it is a DOS game and DOS is a 16-bit operating system. 64-bit operating systems will not handle 16-bit programs outside of emulation.

Modern download versions of 7th Guest are configured to use either DOSBox or ScummVM.

With DOSBox what the game sees as the processor can be slowed down with Ctrl-F11 and sped back up with Ctrl-F12.
https://www.dosbox.com/DOSBoxManual.html#SpeedHelp

Most current preconfigured versions of 7th Guest don't even use DOSBox anymore.
They use ScummVM.

Games that use ScummVM don't use the original game exe at all. They replace the original game exe with the ScummVM exe, which won't be speed sensitive. I have no idea whether or not the ScummVM exe works well with the Microscope puzzle (also called the Germ-eat-germ puzzle and various other names), but if it doesn't, it isn't because of the speed of the computer. ScummVM is made to work on modern computers.

The only time the "Fast computer" problem might be relevant is if you're using a vintage computer from the 1990's with the original disc version of the game that was made for DOS.


Re: 7th Guest [Re: oldbroad] #1225146
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Thank you, Jenny. You said everything that went through my mind when I read that, and then some. wave

Re: 7th Guest [Re: oldbroad] #1225149
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Well, I don't feel bad about using the solve because all the places I looked at (which really wasn't many) all suggested to just use the solve. yes

Re: 7th Guest [Re: oldbroad] #1225151
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Yes, definitely do not feel bad about that!

Re: 7th Guest [Re: oldbroad] #1225271
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Finished. Yay!

Re: 7th Guest [Re: oldbroad] #1225288
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Re: 7th Guest [Re: oldbroad] #1226999
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Originally Posted by oldbroad
No getting lucky this time. I've been trying everyday except yesterday to beat that microscope puzzle but today I finally had to use the solve option. The closest I came since my last post was 19 squares of the 25. And then I had to use a walkthrough to find the next puzzle. Wandered around a couple of times and never saw the hotspot for it.

Do you know anybody who solved/won that microscope puzzle/game?

I solved it the second time I tried it, but I still don't know how I did it. Since then I've had much less success playing the same type of puzzle in other games, so I'm sure I'd have the same problem if I tried the microscope puzzle again.


“Rainy days should be spent at home with a cup of tea and a good book.” -Bill Watterson
Re: 7th Guest [Re: oldbroad] #1227012
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Wow LadyKestrel! Kudos to you! praise

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