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Hi, everyone!

I'm in the process of purchasing a new computer. It comes with Windows Vista Home Premium and a free Windows v.7.0 Upgrade - 64-bit.

Is anyone currently using the 64-bit version of Windows 7 and, if so, are you having trouble playing any of the computer games, or would the 32-bit version be better?

I'm going to hang onto my current WinXP system, but the reason I'm buying a new one is because this one just isn't cutting it anymore.

Thanks for your input.

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Susie, I'm using the 32-bit version of the Windows 7 RC. When you get your free upgrade, from what I understand, it will have both the 32-bit and the 64-bit versions on the disk.

The 32-bit version is playing games quite well. I've really been quite surprised with how well it does. So far, the only game I had to go to my XP hard drive to play is Zanzarah. I haven't done much trouble shooting with it, but so far it plays pretty much everything I've thrown at it.


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Hi, Draclvr!

Thanks for your response. The system I'm buying should be more than capable of running the 64-bit version of Windows 7, but I don't want it if I'm going to run into problems with my computer games. I plan to hang onto my current WinXP system, but I just bought "Still Life 2" and can't get it to load because my video card isn't capable of rendering Pixel Shader 2.0, so I'll have to wait until my new computer arrives to play it.

I assume if I choose to install the 32-bit version of Windows 7, I can't change my mind down the road and switch to the 64-bit version, or can I?

Everyone who is running Windows 7 seems to like it much better than Vista, so I'll only have to suffer for a couple of months smile !

Susan


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I don't know the answer to whether you'll be able to switch between the versions. It could be that one of the FAQs on the Microsoft website will clarify.

I've certainly been pleasantly suprised at how much I like this OS... Especially since I was prepared to dislike it as much as I do Vista!


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Hi, Draclvr!

I'll read up on the different versions of Windows 7 on Microsoft's website and, hopefully, will find the answer to my question.

At least I'll only be stuck with Visa for less than 2 months because I probably won't be getting my new computer until the beginning of September.

BTW, I love your saying at the end of your posts. Now I know what to do with all those tomatoes I'm getting out of my garden lol !

Susan

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smile Yes, my 104 tomato plants are providing plenty of distraction for me right now!


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Susie07, I am running the 64 bit, and my games are working very well for the most part, however I have had some problems with certain games. The Longest Journey won't run properly - it freezes up on the opening scene and won't go any farther than that - and Grim Fandango won't even install.

Strangely enough, some older games like Gabriel Knight 2 and the King's Quests work perfectly fine, as long as you install DOSBox. (I've also applied the patches so I can run them more easily.)

I am not sure which games you are looking to install, but I thought providing you with some examples might help. smile

I am hoping that patches will eventually be made in order to run the games that won't work on Win 7 (they are two of my all time favorites smile ), but in the meantime, most everything works beautifully, and like Draclvr, I love this OS in general. thumbsup


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Re: Windows 7! [Re: venus] #539958
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Interesting, venus. Grim Fandango is playing perfectly on my 32-bit Windows 7. I am glad to hear most games are playing for you as I am leaning towards installing the 64-bit when I get my upgrade in October.


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Hi, Draclvr and Venus!

Draclvr, 104 tomatoe plants? WOW! I bought 2 twin packs of those "topsy turvy" hanging thingies (2 for tomatoes and 2 for cucumbers), but our Summer has been cold and damp up until a couple of weeks ago, so my tomatoes are just starting to ripen now. I hung 2 cucumber plants from the other 2 "topsy turvy" hanging thingies and I'm also starting to get cucumbers.

venus, thanks for letting me know about your experience with 64-bit Windows 7. At the moment, TLJ is being held hostage by my old Win98 computer because I was in the middle of replaying when it died, as in it won't even turn on. All I have to do is figure out how to pry open the CD drive without power, and I'm all set. If I can replay my old Gabriel Knight, Tex Murphy and Nancy Drew games as well as a few other old favorites, I'll be a happy camper. It seems as though Windows 7 is more stable and compatible than Vista, which is probably why Microsoft came out with Windows 7 in the first place wink !

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@ Venus - you might have more succes with this Grim Fandango installer for x64 Windows

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@ nanette - Thank you! It worked! praise It was a bit of a challenge, however. The launcher installed the game but would not run it. Once the game was installed, I had to run it with its native launcher and use Windows '98 compatibility, but it's working flawlessly now. happydance

Now if anyone knows how to run The Longest Journey in 64-bit Windows, that would be great. grin

@ Susie07 - Wow, I'm sorry you can't eject TLJ! Have you tried disassembling the computer and seeing if you can get it out that way? As for the other games you mentioned, they all should work as far as I know. I can tell you for a certainty that all the Gabriel Knight games work for me, and GK3 does not even require a patch. thumbsup Oh, and I'm not sure about Still Life 2 as I don't have it yet, but if you install the first SL, make sure you run it in NT 4.0 compatibility. I thought the game wasn't going to work initially, but when I switched it to this mode, it worked beautifully.

@ Draclvr - I definitely recommend the 64-bit. Granted, I've had a few small issues, but the world of patches should catch up eventually smile , and I believe it is probably better in the long run as most everything will probably be made for 64-bit eventually. smile


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Hi Susie,

I have been running win 7 32 & 64 bit for many months and vista 32 bit for a couple years on a couple of machines..I have not run into any issues that could not be remedied by running the game/program in compatibility mode.

The biggest reason / difference to run 64 bit would be the ability for the computer to address more memory, so If you ever want to install more than 3 GB of RAM you will need 64 bit.
If your new computer will have 4 or more gb installed it will probably have 64 vista SP2 installed......Run all your favorite software and any hardware you use on a daily basis and if that works out then you have your answer.....If it works on vista in theory it will/ should work on win 7 .

Another option would be to run win 7 64 for a month without activating it......if you run into any serious issues than simply go to 32 bit, but from what i understand you are able to install 64 bit than back to 32 bit on the same machine....

The cons for 64 bit are no 16 bit programs will run, 32 bit programs may have problems but very few . Drivers may not be available for some older hardware.

i am away from home where i have my list of many games/programs/hardware that i have installed without issue..

But since you will have the latest hardware and assuming drivers are available for the rest of your hardware , then it may be worthwhile taking the step up to a 64 bit OS....we will all be moving to 64bit soon enough.....FWIW Windows 7 in any flavor is a winner .....

I sure hoped this helped
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I am currently running The Longest Journey my laptop using win 7 RC1 64 bit on a duo core t5800 with 4 GBs so far after about 3 hours of play with no issues. If you are using the 4 cd version , i needed to Copy MFC42.DLL, msvcirt.DLL, and msvcp60.DLL from Disc One into your TLJ installation folder and run game.

It should be working now (at least for me it is)

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Thanks for all the info, patchman, it was informative for me as well. thumbsup

About TLJ - I am running the two disk version, unfortunately. Do you think the same thing would work for me? I have no problems installing the game, it just won't run properly. Do you think I would have any better luck with the Dreamfall Game of the Year edition? I was thinking of purchasing this, as I know TLJ is included.


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Yup, I put 4 GB of RAM in this computer I built this spring and I would like to make use of it, so I am leaning toward the 64-bit.


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Hi, Venus and patchman!

Venus, I guess I've got nothing to lose by trying to take my old Win98 computer apart and rescuing my TLJ CD because, right now, it's just a big old doorstop lol ! I'll also keep in mind the "compatibility mode" when I get my new system.

patchman, thank you SO much for your input and it definitely helped. My new system will have 12GB of RAM and comes with Vista Home Premium, so I assume I won't have any trouble obtaining Windows 7 drivers when the time comes to use my free upgrade.

FYI (and anyone else who is interested), here's the specs for my new machine.

1 Asus P6T Ci7 IntelX58 ICH10R LGA1366 DDR3 PCIE SATA2
8CH Audio ATX
1 Intel Core i7 920 Processor - 2.66GHz, 8MB L3 Cache, 4.8GT/s
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1 Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black SATA II Hard Drive -
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DDR3 SDRAM - 240-pin DIMM Memory Module
1 Asus ATI Radeon HD4870 1GB DDR5 2DVI-I HDTV HDCP
PCIE2.0
1 LG Electronics 6X Super Multi Blu-Ray Serial ATA Disc
Rewriter - Store and Playback up to 50GB of High Definition
1 Antec Sonata III Front Mounted USB eSATA 500W 9 Drive Bays
Standard ATX Sonata III
1 26012 Creative Sound Blaster X-FI Xtreme Gamer
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1 and With Free Windows v.7.0 Upgrade - 64-bit
1 Logitech Z-5500 Digital Surround Sound Speaker System
1 LG Flatron 24" WideScreen TFT LCD Monitor - 1920 x 1200 -
16:10 - 5m
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Mouse w/Bluetooth Technology

Since I really don't have any use for a cordless mouse and keyboard or Bluetooth technology, I'm trying to find a USB keyboard and mouse that will meet my needs, and I also plan to get an internal media card reader.

I plan to hang onto this computer just for gaming and hope to install Win98 on my second drive, so I should have all of my bases covered.

Susan


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THAT is a sweet machine, susie! I came close to going with the i7 920 processor when I built this machine last February. Maybe the next one! Of course, by then they will have come out with something even better...


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Hi, Draclvr!

Thanks! I know exactly what you mean about someone coming out with bigger and better a few months later. When I bought a new computer in 1995 with a smoking 90MHz Pentium processor, it was the fastest on the market. We both know how long that lasted lol !

Once I decide on a USB keyboard and mouse (they recommended cordless with Bluetooth technology, but I really have no need for either), I'll place my order and, hopefully, won't have to wait too long. From the various comments I've read about Vista, I'll be upgrading to Windows 7 the first chance I get.

Susan

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Susie, I had a laptop custom made 3 years ago just for gaming and it is now at best buy for diagnositcs....keep getting horizontal dots and black screen....I am so upset about it since it cost me $2400.00. I hope it isnt anything toooo serious. So, anyway, I was looking at laptops at BB today to see what is out there without going to the extreme of having one built.

My question is where are you buying yours? If this puppy is already built sign me up....lolol.

After reading the posts about windows 7 and 64 bit, I am not as frightened of the new operating system. Still a little leary since I have had no problems with XP and 32 bit.

I have a desktop puter so maybe I will upgrade it (keeping xp and 32 bit) with new hardware and use that if I have a problem with any games in 7.

This has been an extremely helpful thread for all of us.

Eileen smile

Is this a laptop or desktop computer you are discussing?

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Originally Posted By: Susie07
At the moment, TLJ is being held hostage by my old Win98 computer because I was in the middle of replaying when it died, as in it won't even turn on. All I have to do is figure out how to pry open the CD drive without power, and I'm all set.

If this is a desktop computer (not a laptop), most CD/DVD drives have a small pinhole in the front, just about the size to stick the end of an unbent paper clip in, that is supposed to be the emergency eject.

***Here*** <-- are some instructions.

And here's a youtube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjOBQWSjrg0


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Hi, Eileen and Jenny!

Eileen, I'm sorry to hear about your laptop and I hope it doesn't turn out to be anything too serious. I've always bought desktops and have been extremely lucky because <touch wood> I've never had a problem with any of them.

My new system is a desktop, and I'm having it built by a local company. They've been in business for over 15 years and seem to be extremely knowledgeable. I did request specific brand names (like an Asus motherboard, ATI video card and Soundblaster sound card), but they came up with the specs themselves based on what I told them I used the computer for.

I've also had no problems with WinXP. In fact, IMHO, it's the best operating system Microsoft has come out with since DOS smile ! I know absolutely nothing about Windows 7, other than it's scheduled to be released on October 22nd and it's far superior to Vista (which, apparently, nobody likes). I've decided to give the 64-bit version a try and see how it goes because I'm sure, eventually, that will be the norm.

Jenny, thanks for the tip for opening my CD-ROM drive and rescuing TLJ. I'll hunt down my paperclips and give it a shot! I just took a close look at the drives on this computer and, sure enough, both have a pinhole. Who knew lol ?

Susan


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Thank you Susie, I am having my desktop updated. I am going to stay with XP as I also think it is great. My laptop will have Windows 7 and hopefully I won't have a problem with games (knock on my desk).

If I have to have another laptop custom made I cant use the company I used before as they have gone out of business. Do you think the company you are using would build one and/or give me a ball park figure on how much it would cost?

I am looking at laptops in the stores but I am not reall happy with what they have pre-installed. I just don't think they will do the job for gaming. I also want to have the latest Nvidea card for when Direct X goes to 10.

Thank you, Eileen


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It's a long way from Ontario, Canada to Naples, Florida, Eileen. But you never know!


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Hi, Eileen!

Unfortunately, I don't think you can still get WinXP on new computers because most come with Windows Vista preinstalled, but there may still be a few places that will install WinXP. Mine will have Vista Home Premium preinstalled with a free Windows 7 upgrade.

The company who's building my computer is located in Toronto, but I'm sure if you do some research, you'll be able to find someone reputable in Florida who will build one to your specs.

I went this route because the major computer manufacturers (HP, Dell, etc.) always preinstall software I neither want nor need, and they usually provide a recovery disk that restores your system to its original factory configuration instead of the original disks for the operating system and hardware. Also, many models have integrated motherboard video and sound chipsets instead of stand-alone cards. Dell computers can be customized to a certain extent but, by the time you're through, the computer ends up costing as much as having one built from scratch where you get exactly what you want.

Susan



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We purchased 2 weeks ago a Dell that came with XP Pro installed. They also have an option to not install any of the extra cruft they usually put on computers.

Howdy everyone, just checking on the posting functions, we had a hiccup earlier.


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Hi, the last laptop I had custom made came from CA to Florida...lolol....so I dont think Ontario, Canada would be a problem. The cost for shipping might be prohibitive...lolol.

I had the laptop built for the same reasons you had your desktop done. Thank you so much for the conversation, as I said before this thread really is informative and timely.

Eileen smile


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