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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
[Re: Donald]
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So, Inland, no more mouse in Windows 8? Arms outstretched to the desktop monitor?
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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So, Inland, no more mouse in Windows 8? Arms outstretched to the desktop monitor?
Gil. Apparently they neglected to include "desktop" users with Windows 8 - it's really aimed at the tablet market.
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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Desktop is definitely supported in the Consumer Preview. Mine is downloaded and I will be installing on a SSD tomorrow. I'm anxious to see what it can do. The app store also opened up yesterday.
According to Wired magazine, there were one million downloads in the first day.
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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SSD?
I suppose Microsoft thinks that desktops will go the way of the dodo eventually and maybe they will but they'll have a hard time getting me to use a laptop. I never have liked fingering the screen to do something. <g>
I wonder what it will mean for us point & clickers or for games in general. Believe me, the tip of my finger is a darned sight bigger than the tip of a mouse cursor when it comes to finding hotspots. <g>
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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Sorry, Gil! Solid state drive. I snagged a 60 GB boot drive in the holiday sales.
Don't know that they think about the long-term, but they certainly realize that the desktop is here to stay for now. Don't know how much time I will have to play this weekend, but I'll definitely try to report in if I can. I'm actually totally OK with touch... just not in my everyday computing here at my desk.
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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I've read a first view in a Danish newspaper ( www.politiken.dk). The reviewer said that we could click on the tiles on the screen in windows 8 with either a mouse or our finger. If we choose to click it with our fingers, doesn't it mean, that we'll have to get a screen as well? For adventure games, it shouldn't mean much. We can use our fingers or our mouse to click on the hotspots; the dialog interface could be something like a wheel or something similar to the wheel used in ME3. I'm just worried about playing old games on windows 8, it seems like yesterday that windows 7 was released.
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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I'm not looking for Windows 8 to be a good platform for gaming. But then we were pleasantly surprised by Windows 7, so who knows. I'll definitely be reporting back - hopefully later this weekend - after I get mine installed.
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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Desktop is definitely supported in the Consumer Preview. Mine is downloaded and I will be installing on a SSD tomorrow. I'm anxious to see what it can do. The app store also opened up yesterday.
According to Wired magazine, there were one million downloads in the first day. The desktop has always been there - there's just no "Start" button. Interestingly enough, whenever I criticized the lack of the traditional desktop interface, the threads were removed from the blog. Who cares what these pesky little users want, we’ve got Metro.
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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Ah, but the Start button IS there now! So, maybe they really did listen. Dear heavens, I hope they get rid of the "charms" nomenclature though - gag me! From a review by Ed Bott: On the Windows 8 desktop, the most obvious change is the absence of the Start button in the lower left corner. It’s not gone, though. If you move the mouse to the top or bottom corner on the right side of the display, you’ll see the Windows 8 Start icon in the center of the Charms bar shown below. (In fact, all four corners play a crucial role in using a mouse with Windows 8, as I explain in “How Windows 8 works,” later in this review.)
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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Ah, but the Start button IS there now! So, maybe they really did listen. Dear heavens, I hope they get rid of the "charms" nomenclature though - gag me! From a review by Ed Bott: On the Windows 8 desktop, the most obvious change is the absence of the Start button in the lower left corner. It’s not gone, though. If you move the mouse to the top or bottom corner on the right side of the display, you’ll see the Windows 8 Start icon in the center of the Charms bar shown below. (In fact, all four corners play a crucial role in using a mouse with Windows 8, as I explain in “How Windows 8 works,” later in this review.) I sure don't see it on my copy (MSDN Consumer Preview w/Apps) -
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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Hmmm... wonder why. Guess I'll find out this weekend if I can find it... I seem to remember reading it wasn't on the Developer's preview though.
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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Jenny,
Isn't there a pretty steep learning curve with Linux? And are most games playable in Linux?
Curious more than anything else.
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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I sure don't see it on my copy (MSDN Consumer Preview w/Apps) -
Yes it has been removed. It was on the previous release but just used as a toggle between Desktop and Metro IIRC - there was no start menu. Can't quite see what Window 8 adds that would encourage me to buy it (I dont have a touch screen) and all of the Metro stuff the are shoehorning in just seemed like a clumsily built wall between me and the desktop. Little review here sums it up - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/03/andrew_does_windows8/
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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I sure don't see it on my copy (MSDN Consumer Preview w/Apps) -
Yes it has been removed. It was on the previous release but just used as a toggle between Desktop and Metro IIRC - there was no start menu. Can't quite see what Window 8 adds that would encourage me to buy it (I dont have a touch screen) and all of the Metro stuff the are shoehorning in just seemed like a clumsily built wall between me and the desktop. Little review here sums it up - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/03/andrew_does_windows8/ The absolute worst part about Metro Apps is their lack of a Close button. Microsoft recommends starting the Task Manager to end them (which seems completely unintuitive to me). All Metro apps that I've seen, those included in the Developers Preview, are suspended when you switch to the desktop, which means no multi-tasking. The whole OS seems like a bad idea to me, they already have a tablet OS, so why they felt the need to inflict the same interface on desktop users is beyond me. There is a reg hack that returns the start button, but it completely removes Metro.
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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This article might be worth a read as there are several tricks here for things like closing an app. And they did indeed remove the Windows 7-style start menu. This is definitely going to take some getting used to... To be honest I'm not anticipating liking it, but I'm keeping an open mind. How Windows 8 Works An couple of excerpts: If you use a mouse, the UI is all about corners. Aim the mouse pointer in the lower left corner of any running app (including the Windows desktop) and you’ll see this hint to let you know you’ve found the secret grave where Microsoft buried the Start button. Click that corner to switch to the Start screen The coolest new UI feature of all is one that you might not discover right away. How do you close a Metro style app—or for that matter, the Windows desktop, which is just another app? Microsoft argues that you shouldn’t need to worry about using Task Manager, because Windows 8 is vigilant about memory and resource usage with Metro style apps. But if you’re done working with an app or you want to end the desktop session, just aim your mouse pointer at the top of the window until it turns to a hand icon (with a touchscreen, just grab the top of the app). Pull down, and the app shrinks to a smaller window in the center of the screen. Keep dragging to the bottom of the window and the app disappears.
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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But if you’re done working with an app or you want to end the desktop session, just aim your mouse pointer at the top of the window until it turns to a hand icon (with a touchscreen, just grab the top of the app). Pull down, and the app shrinks to a smaller window in the center of the screen. Keep dragging to the bottom of the window and the app disappears. That sure wasn't available in the developer preview (but this old dog just learned a new trick) - it really works.
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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Jenny,
Isn't there a pretty steep learning curve with Linux? That depends on what version of Linux you're using and what you use your computer for. Some Linux versions are command line only and some require a lot of configuration details during the install. But others install with a graphic user interface that resembles a Windows desktop. Of course Linux is not Windows, so you have to get used to the differences in installing things. And are most games playable in Linux? Most of the older ones are, using Linux versions of ScummVM, DOSBox, WINE, VirtualBox, and VMware. VMware and VirtualBox have 3D video card capability, but I think it's still experimental. There is at least one Gameboomers member who was using Mandriva Linux for gaming. I forget who it was though. For most people, hold onto your old Windows versions -- at least until Microsoft fixes their new OS. But honestly, if it was a choice between Windows without keyboard/mouse/Start button and Linux, I'd choose Linux. I don't know what makes Microsoft think everyone wants an iPad-like interface. The coolest new UI feature of all is one that you might not discover right away. How do you close a Metro style app—or for that matter, the Windows desktop, which is just another app? Microsoft argues that you shouldn’t need to worry about using Task Manager, because Windows 8 is vigilant about memory and resource usage with Metro style apps. But if you’re done working with an app or you want to end the desktop session, just aim your mouse pointer at the top of the window until it turns to a hand icon (with a touchscreen, just grab the top of the app). Pull down, and the app shrinks to a smaller window in the center of the screen. Keep dragging to the bottom of the window and the app disappears. Sounds overly fiddly. I have enough problems now aiming the mouse at the tiny little + signs in Windows Explorer that expand folders. This sounds way worse. Can't we just use Alt-F4 to close the $%#@! app?
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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I agree, Jenny. There are a bunch of shortcut keys, but I haven't seen one to close an app yet. I just want a single click or a quick key combination!
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Re: Hands On with Windows 8 Consumer Preview
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And what's with the four corners thing?? Most of the time, I have my arm fixed on the table and only move the hand/mouse a little back/forth/left/right. Having to move it way out in the corner, I have to lift my arm - not cool!  That's how lazy I am. When I come home from work I sit down and lean back in my recliner - yes a recliner - drop my arm on the desk, grab the mouse, turn on computer and click my browser Chrome to start surfing the net etc. No need to click an extra icon to get to desktop....
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