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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: Tyke] #241827
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Tyke,

I agree, Inferno is an awesome lady. praise Last night when I read the other thread, I had no intentions of buying the game because of the way she was treated. Then when I saw this apology and Inferno's response, I decided to give the game a shot. smile wave


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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: gaily] #241851
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Hi all, I have kept quiet as Inferno did recently until now as I wanted to see what response Laurence received from the gameboomers community. The reason that I kept quiet is quite simple and it is this. I was the first of the developers to post on the game boomers site and I was horrified at the negative responses we received. Laurence our head puzzle, music and lead character voice actor wanted to post an apology, which was apt and needed to be done. I would now like to say this from my personal viewpoint. I would firstly like to offer a sincere and un-adulaterated apology to "Inferno" for any hurt she may have been caused. I would personally of loved to have read her forth coming review of our game which I now understand will not take place which hurts very much but I can totally understand the reasons behind this decision. As a second instance I would like to also offer an apology to the entire game boomers community for any hurt caused to them also. I now wish to say only that the game has from its earliest conception taken a very, very long time to develop on various formats IE Atari ST, and Amiga until its current platform of the PC and it would be in my opinion a very great shame if it were not played and enjoyed by the vast majority of the Adventure game lovers that I/we know exist all over the world. This is not meant in any form as returns to us on a monetary basis but more so that it really is a fun and exciting game and if I never made a penny out of the entire project but knew in my heart of hearts that it had bought fun and pleasure to the people that had played it then this would suffice to be more than a thank you to me speaking personally! Steve may have acted rashly in his responses but I must say this of him. He is a very talented individual who is very close and dear to what we have all worked upon for many years so if he has upset anyone which I know he has with his comments then as Laurence said to me at least please forgive him this one slip up as to castigate him forever and a day would be a vast waste to the gaming community as a whole. Steve I hope you are listening to this as these good and gracious people at gameboomers deserve more and we look to them for insight and feedback with whatever we do and that as you well know is try to create games to entertain. Nothing more and nothing less.
I do hope that my post can be accepted by all as an honest and forthright apology and look forward to you all or some of you at least enjoying the game in the near future.

Best wishes,

MOTRAU.

Aka Tim Croucher

Re: Apology LOTL [Re: Motrau] #241855
12/05/07 06:10 PM
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Negative responses, Tim?

Re: Apology LOTL [Re: MaG] #241858
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Now I am confused Tim-- here is your quote
"Hi All, Thanks for your kind response's to the Gallery. Steve never ceases to amaze me either with his imaginative ways of doing things like the gallery in this case. Your support is very much appreciated as always and we eaglerly await the release of "Limbo of the Lost" just as much as you seem to. Many thanks to whoever posted it on the home screen of Gameboomers, much appreciated! A special Hello to Mad and to my good friend Nickie my Yellow Rose! Nickie you really must get up to speed with Broad Band haha! Dial up is so laborious now adays! Also a special hello to Becky, Hi Becks!! Many thanks once again and to all the team and moderators at this great site for all us Adventure game fans!

Motrau


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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: Motrau] #241859
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Ps sorry I forgot to mention that today's date the 5th of December 2007 is exactly the date or anniversary that the ship named "Mary Celeste" which is the crux of Limbo of the Lost in its earliest stages at least was found drifting and abandoned without a soul onboard! As sir Arthur Connan Doyle of "Sherlock Holmes" fame said, "The most strange and interesting case I have ever come across!" It has now been exactly 135 years to the day since she was discovered in this fashion? Co-incidence perhaps but a good story to mull over for years to come as we shall surely never really know what happened to her crew rather like we shall never know the true identity of "Jack the Ripper"!! That however is another story!!

Best wishes,

MOTRAU

Re: Apology LOTL [Re: Motrau] #241872
12/05/07 06:29 PM
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Hi all, all I meant from my recent post was the negative responses to Limbo having read all that has happened recently that is all. Winfrey! And I thought I had a good memory hahaha Gee I must have posted what you said almost 2 years ago but well spotted and thanks for telling me off!! Hahaha well said you have now reminded me of something that I should not of forgotten!!

Thanks again,

MOTRAU.

Ps MaG thank you for all your sincere support recently. I have asked having spoken to Nickie on the phone that you and Inferno be the first to know how much this support which you have granted us means which I cannot possibly put into words as there would not be enough space on this site to post it all!! Hahaha.

Thank you sincerely from the bottom of my heart,

TIM.

Re: Apology LOTL [Re: Motrau] #241884
12/05/07 06:43 PM
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I think what he means is that he was horrified by what Steve had done to create so much negativity about the game, since he (Tim) had originally joined this community to promote it.

Edit: I see it took me so long to write that, that Tim came back on to explain his words.

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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: Motrau] #241900
12/05/07 06:52 PM
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Hi smile

I have to say it is great that Inferno has at last been given the public apology she so deserves from some of the MSTUDIOS development team.
However, in my view, there is one member of that team who very definitely still owes.

And so a hearty welcome to you Laurie46 thumbsup
And nice to see you back here, Motrau yes

But .... Motrau .... Negative Responses ???
oopsYou nearly cooked your goose there !! lol

I'm really happy that this horrible issue appears to be getting cleared up. And I can once more look forward to playing the game without any misgivings grin

But most of all I'm happy that Inferno feels able to continue to promote Limbo of the Lost and feels able to continue to offer her very valued help to Gameboomers.

She is extremely precious to us all !! kissy kissy

Cheers.

Mad wave



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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: Laurie46] #241911
12/05/07 07:09 PM
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Just catching up with what's been going on the last few days and wanted to say that I'm glad this has been cleared up to the extent that I feel I can go ahead and purchase this game because it looks amazing.

Thank you, Tim and Laurence, for your apologies to Inferno. As has been stated many times (but never enough!!), she is much beloved here for all of her hard work and her gracious spirit. smile

Looking forward to the game! happydance


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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: Celtic Lark] #241955
12/05/07 08:05 PM
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Thank goodness that you were given the chance to explain and apologize, Laurie46, because there for awhile I was beginning to think I was the only one left who was still willing to buy LOTL. I was even starting to be afraid that it wasn't going to be released in February with all that was going on.
I know Steve (FABLE, I guess) isn't too popular around here, but I sort of understood his disappointment when he thought one thing and it didn't work out the way he thought it should, so he got upset and said a little too much, which happens to us human beings now and then. Of course, his comments weren't directed at me so I could afford to be an objective observer, I reckon.
Now, I want to say to all Boomers that I like it here at GB very much, but I don't feel that I need to be part of what to me felt like a "mob scene" going after Steve. I'm sorry, but if that is what it takes to belong, I will be gone.


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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: sierramindy] #241968
12/05/07 08:26 PM
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Hi sierramindy smile

I can see this thread getting locked if fighting breaks out but I, for one, can't condone the fact that a supposedly responsible game developer adopted a false identity to partake in this forum and cause a whole lot of trouble besides.
And said developer has not publicly apologised to the person he publicly insulted.
Apologising to her privately just doesn't cut it as far as I'm concerned.

Gameboomers is not like some of those other "Wild West Lawless Style" places.
We care here and will continue to do so.

Mad wave


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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: Mad] #241980
12/05/07 08:42 PM
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Inferno I agree with all of the above...You are truly Awesome. I may not know you as well as some of the others here, but I have read all of your reviews, have your guide in my favorites (the one that shows how to play games on XP) and I am so glad that you have received the apology you so deserved. I am one of the ones who have ordered this game and it shipped just the other day and was really looking forward to playing because of your comments. But I have to tell you...my excitement about it truly died when all of this happened. It's good to see that it is being fixed and as you said, time will heal. Thank you for all you do.

Welcome Laurie and thank you for stepping up and doing the right thing. You too are truly an Awesome Person.

Re: Apology LOTL [Re: Mad] #241985
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It takes fortitude and maturity for one to apologize and I commend you Lawrence and Motrau.
Inferno you are definitely one of a kind and I think we all learned from what you went through. You are one gracious lady and I learned a long time ago that it is a total waste of energy to hold a grudge.

Sierramindy, we all tend to "read" things from many different perspectives, that's the human in us. But it's the ability to corrolate and process that information into a logical format that makes us the adults we are or at least should be.

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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: 3dobermans] #241997
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Gameboomers has always been the place I come to for help playing some games. This place is awesome. Whether I need a hint or a saved game, someone ALWAYS responds to get me out of a jam. I am soooooo grateful you'all are here smile

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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: Cissy] #242045
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bravo You are one classy lady Inferno. It makes me proud to be part of GB's community. Judy


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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: sierramindy] #242098
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I have not posted much for quite awhile but I have always felt Gameboomers to be a special place that I visit daily. I feel that after reading something that goes against the very core of Gameboomers that I must respond.

I take it as an insult to what Gameboomers is all about to classify what was happening to Steve as a "mob scene". The facts of the matter when reasonably and logically are looked at show that it was much more than Steve getting upset or saying a little too much. He deceived Gameboomers by pretending to be one of our regular forum members when he was essentially part of the team. While I do not hold the entire company responsible for this, Steve's actions can't be excused or tolerated. We expect that anyone that is part of a team creating an adventure game whether in a small or crucial way to be upfront, responsible, and honest with who they are instead of playing games with us and hiding behind their lies!

If Steve had revealed who he was and had been honest from the very beginning, then everything would have gone very smoothly. All that other Gameboomers did was just to express their frustration at someone who had lied to us and who questioned the integrity of one of our own who gives so generously of her time to help us all.

Gameboomers is a community and a family that is built around helping others. I am very proud to see that so many Gameboomers defended Inferno when her integrity was being attacked and we were being deceived because to sit back and say nothing would have been much worse. No more needs to be said on this but I am very thankful that the core developers have apologized to Inferno and to us all and hopefully we can move on to enjoying our adventure games!


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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: Lundar] #242288
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I do not post much but have had Inferno help me with games and she did so with no need to be patted on the back it just seemed she was glad to help a fellow gamer. So for Steve to come at her like that to me was wrong but if she can get past it so can I. Lawrence and Motrau thx for your comments it helped that someone there was willing to say what was did was wrong even though they were not the person that needed to.



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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: mikeplay] #242335
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Okay, I admit that I grew old but I never grew up, too bad maybe but my DNA just didn't work that way. I may just be somewhere on the autistic spectrum, I don't know. But I don't have this feeling of thinking like everybody else, I have to do my own thinking. "Don't Fence Me In" was a favorite song of mine when I was a kid and to me that meant the freedom to always think for myself, or as Shakespeare put it "To thine own self be true and it must follow as night the day, thou canst not then be false to anyone." So I'm thinking now just because a person is a member of a development team, does he lose the right to be an individual? Can't he belong to this forum as a person in his own right with his own feelings and thoughts? So he didn't tell the whole truth as to why he was involved with the game, but I don't see that he lied either. He was speaking for himself, not the team, so why did he need to say more? To me, he got hints and spoilers mixed up and that is where he made his big mistake, which brought the wrath of so many down on his poor head. BTW, I never said it was a "mob scene" just that it felt like one to me, which is totally my own personal reaction.
Do I maybe take the Bill of Rights too seriously? You know that part about freedom of speech?
As for inferno, she did nothing wrong and yet got caught up in the misunderstanding, which was blown up so big it became a forum matter rather than a personal one. Why is that? Hmm, I think that is the part where I am not adult enough to understand it. I'm willing to listen, but of course, in the end I make up my own mind.


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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: sierramindy] #242357
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Hello Fellowboomers,

First I did not know what was going on at all, but
after reading the original topic I think I got the picture.
A friendly guy called Fable, offered with fablelous friendliness
to help out with a severe problem with a limb.
After being fableously (difficult word)
friendly he than slowly dropped
(or had to drop) his mask and turned out to be one of the
limb designers (or testers or whatever),
and to have a multiple personality, oops (on top of that)
(at least on the forum) with only his alter ego fable being
the friendly one (yust as in the movies with multiple
personality's, there is always a friendly one also,
usually a shy child with a soft voice rotfl)

Apology's where being made by innoccent party's, thumbsup
(his colleague's)which of course is a good thing, but still
my personal feeling is that they won't find me with that
game,as I have plenty enough stored in my cupboards, many
still waiting to be played.
I have ordered "Darkness within" and "Dead reefs" and
that will get me through nicely.

robert shame (multiple one)

Playing Tunguska at the moment and love the game! smile

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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: sierramindy] #242406
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Originally Posted By: sierramindy
.........just because a person is a member of a development team, does he lose the right to be an individual?

Can't he belong to this forum as a person in his own right with his own feelings and thoughts? ......


Most definitely yes to the 1st part & no to the 2nd. When it comes to specifically posting about a project that involved at least 2 others in the team they should have been consulted - there is no room here to be an 'individual'!

I'm sorry to disagree with you sierramindy but having just read the 'thread' which I found very offensive to Inferno, I for one could have given the game a miss. There has been a plethora of games released & more on on the horizon.
I have no time for deceitfulness & someone posting 'his own feelings & thoughts' when he is part of a team & could potentially have damaged a long term project which relied on other dedicated people to complete.

I would like to thank these other dedicated people Tim & Laurence for their apology on GB to Inferno.

I would also like to thank Inferno for being such a big-hearted person - I'm not sure in the same shoes I would still go ahead & promote the game! smile

N.B I would like to see a well deserved apology to Inferno from Steve.

Re: Apology LOTL [Re: chrissie] #242544
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Ok ....I think we all should bury the hackett..

Inferno..You are the Best in my book !!! Thanks for all you do..

Now lets get on with Gaming !!!

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My Opinion ..


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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: Darleen03] #242545
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Well said Dar. Back to gaming and hints. I think we will need some hints for this game. broccoli
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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: kjos] #243004
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Hi smile

Well, just for the record, thanks to Laurence and Tim from MSTUDIOS magnanimously coming forward, YES, we may very well "get back to gaming" as far as Limbo of the Lost is concerned - but I for one am not eager to let this affair get brushed under the carpet for the sake of "getting back to gaming".

Inferno has still not as yet received a public apology from the person who actually started this whole saga and caused all the trouble.
He insulted her in public and should apologise to her in public - not merely send her a private message.

And I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way and who is still waiting.

Cheers.

Mad yes


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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: Mad] #243011
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Hi Mad...

I do respect what you are saying...But if this thread continues to be negative & no sign of an ending....Eventually it will get locked. So For all good purposes I think it should get buried..

We should go on....Inferno has said as much...

So let it be... monky


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Re: Apology LOTL [Re: Darleen03] #243018
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Darleen2003 ....

I'll wait for word from a higher authority in that respect.

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