I just bought one that looks like the one on Amazon. I haven't installed it, but I can't see anything on the box that refers to a full install of Gothic 3. It says "stand alone expansion pack", so I assume it is just the expansion.

I believe the Gothic 3 Collector's Edition does include both.

http://www.amazon.com/Gothic-3-Collectors-Pc/dp/B001F0OOF6

Ah, thanks Pokey. I see the difference now. I wonder - is the consensus that Forsaken Gods is worth playing and is the Collector's Edition of Gothic 3 a better version of the game with patches, etc.? Or is the game still pretty buggy and the expansion not worth the purchase price?

I realize that it is really just each person's opinion but being a die-hard Gothic fan I didn't want to miss a minute of the game if it is possibly worth playing.

I struggled through Gothic 3 twice, changing sides for each play, and enjoyed it in spite of the bugs. I wonder if it is time to revisit it again with the expansion?

Oldfeeble, the Collector's Edition is a great deal for someone who hasn't played the game. Gothic 3 is patched but I assume you would have to patch Forsaken Gods. I enjoyed Gothic 3 and am looking forward to playing Forsaken Gods. I got my copy for about $8 shipped on Ebay. There are more still available as Buy it Now.

I've started this game and with the patch there seemed to be few problems. It doesn't seem to be up to the quality graphically as Gothic 3, but still enjoyable. Seems like the towns are smaller and simpler, though still recognizable from Gothic 3. When I started it up the second day. I got a speedy cycling through day-night and sunny-stormy, but it cleared up with a restart of my computer. I'm still in the area of the first town and looking to move on as soon as I get one more recommendation letter.

Can I change the difficulty at any time? The enemies seem to be pretty easy. I remember the bloodflies being pretty tough at the start of Gothic 3.

Later--the Black Mage was nowhere to be found in Trellis, so I had to use a cheat to go to him elsewhere on the map. Then a bit later, he showed up in his house in Trellis and I was able to finish the quest.

Forsaken Gods walkthrough and cheat guide:

http://upload.worldofplayers.de/files3/g3%20FoGo%20-%20Memo%20P1-0-89%20v0-02.pdf

http://www.cheatsguru.com/pc/gothic_3_forsaken_gods/cheats/1680447.htm

I need them for a quest and have searched in three locations where they are supposed to be with no luck. Any tips on finding them, maybe a certain time of day?

Pokey, did you check the links in the post above this?

Also, there is a map here with a location marked.

I hadn't checked that map, but it looks like that is one of the three locations they were supposed to show up at. There is a cave near there.

I think I have a more serious problem now. Theodor is not cooperating in moving the final quests along. I may have reached the end of the game for me. I would have liked to at least see the troglodytes.

Back in the game again. With a lot of Googling, I discovered a player with the same problem. He tried everything when talking to Theodor and then noticed that there is a blank space above the only line in the dialogue box, which is END. When he clicked on the space, the correct response is given and the game continues on. Maybe I'll find the troglodytes yet.

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I finished the game and enjoyed it though it is not as good as the other Gothic games. Still, good to roam around the Gothic landscape again. I even met up with three troglodytes at the very end, though they didn't have the quest items I was seeking.