games for newbies
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If we are talking about recommending games to Newbies, I’ll be looking at somewhat easier games, rather than simply my all-time favourites. Some of these are older games, but all are playable on Windows XP, and almost all on Windows 7, my current operating system.
Draculas 1 + 2 – These were sold as separate games, but the second one takes off on the exact same scene that the first first one leaves off; as far as I am concerned both are actually a single game.
Agatha Christie III (Evil Under the Sun) Agon (Mysterious Codex) Atlantis IV Atlantis V Aura II (Aura I is too difficult for Newbies, and Aura II will play well as a standalone) Cameron Files II: Loch Ness Darkness Within I (Loath Nolder) (Darkness Within II is too difficult for Newbies) Gabriel Knight III Jack the Ripper Journeyman Project III: Legacy of Time Lost Horizon Messenger Necronomicon Nibiru Post Mortem Return to Mysterious Island I (RMI II is altogether too difficult for Newbies) Secret Files I: Tunguska
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Re: games for newbies
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Re: games for newbies
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Hoo! You're going to get an argument from me about how 'easy' those are, Antoinetta!  For instance, Evil Under the Sun is very unforgiving. You do everything in exactly the right order or you do not progress. Gabriel Knight 3 has that awful, hard, unending computer puzzle which MaG probably breezed through and you may have, too, but the rest of us - not hardly. It also offers probably the stupidest puzzle ever in computer games. (Cat hair, for crying out loud?) And why, oh why, did Jane Jensen have to experiment with 3D? That said, I agree that the annual competition is most often a list of favorites rather than easier games well suited to someone new to adventures, but IMO, it doesn't matter. What does matter is that a game grabs and holds the one playing it. Grim Fandango is not the easiest game by any stretch of the imagination but it was my first and it hooked me on the genre though it took me forever to finish. And then I was sorry I had. So, you never can tell what will hook a new player and start them on the road to BAAGs. IMO, the list does what it should do, offer suggestions of games we'd recommend for anyone who'd like to dip a toe into adventurous waters. Oh, and let flotsam get another plug in for Isabelle.  Gil.
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Re: games for newbies
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I agree that Evil Under the Sun would likely be a difficult game for someone new to adventuring. It has an awful lot of to-ing and fro-ing to try the patience. It's an enjoyable game but nitpicky, as Gil says. Aura II and Darkness Within I are also challenging games. (At least, I thought so!) I would, however, concur with Antoinetta that Dracula: Resurrection would be an ideal early choice for any new gamer. NiBiRu too, possibly, as it is so linear. I loved Road to India and have played it more than a few times.  I must haul it out and see if it installs on my Win 7.
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Re: games for newbies
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I am thinking maybe, Amerzone,Scratches, Sherlock Holmes Mystery of the Mummy, The Cameron Files and the Carol Reed Mysteries. I also enjoyed Jazz and Faust and do not remember it being difficult. These are all older games, except for Carol Reed, and I do not know if they will play on the newer machines.
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Well, some easy games I liked where: "So Blonde" (may be hard to get to work) & "Captain Morgane and The Golden Turtle"
Then of course there's all the Nancy Drew games.
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The Carol Reed games are an excellent suggestion !! 
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Re: games for newbies
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HOGs are, at best ersatz Adventure games, and their discussion belongs in a non-adventure location in the Forums, IMHO.
I hope HOGs are not becoming an overall deterioration of the genre. In the past several years I have seen:
Frogwares degrade Sherlock Holmes to a HOG (Baskerville Hall, which would have made a great REAL Adventure game.
City Interactive degrading the Art of Murder and the Chronicles of Mystery series to HOGs.
At least the Agatha Christie HOGs are older games, predating the three real games.
Post Mortem is indeed a great game, as is Journeyman III, but alas, I cannot get the latter to run on Windows 7. Any advice here would be greatly appreciated.
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I wouldn't agree with you that Sherlock Holmes was "degraded". The Baskerville casual game wasn't intended as a replacement for a full length Holmes adventure. We already have a long-running and continuing series of Frogwares Holmes adventures. The seventh game in the series is currently in development.  If Frogwares choose to also produce the occasional casual game with the same character, then that's excellent, I think. More choice for everyone!
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Re: games for newbies
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Post Mortem is indeed a great game, as is Journeyman III, but alas, I cannot get the latter to run on Windows 7. Any advice here would be greatly appreciated.
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Post Mortem and Journeyman III Legacy of Time are both available at GOG.com and work on Windows 7.
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And why, oh why, did Jane Jensen have to experiment with 3D? Gil.
I don't think she did. The move to 3D was the studios idea. They were trying to make it look like a "modern" game.
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Jane Jensen seems to be infected with the "make it look modern" bug, too, as witness her lead character in Grey Matter and the dreadful (my opinion) comic book graphics that mar her games now. I wouldn't be surprised if she had gone along with the studio quite happily. And lest you get the idea I don't like her games at all, Sins of the Fathers is on my list of top adventure games and The Beast Within is close. I just think she has little judgment when it comes to some of her choices.
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When I see Metamorphium and his partner, a two man team, working long hours and doing their dead level best to put out a quality game in J.U.L.I.A. Enhanced without resorting to 'cost-cutting' graphics, I feel very little sympathy for someone like Jane Jensen when I am sure her team consists of considerably more than herself and one other person.
Bill Fisher, a team of one, was criticized for 'outdated' graphics but they are lovely, IMO. He certainly didn't stint on the appearance of his Last Half of Darkness games.
Jane Jensen has a solid reputation in the gaming world but it's predicated on her writing, not the presentation of her games.
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My first games were DOS too and I was as nervous as all heck about wrecking my computer when trying to play them. [And wreck it I did .... TWICE  ] Now it's much more likely to be me that gets wrecked - trying to fathom the new operating systems as they come out 
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