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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1038746
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Great news Ana the same spooky sounds as in Darkfall. Going to click over to Steam hope I don't have any trouble like Metamorphium.
Thanks ANA
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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1038748
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smile awww maggsie. The only trouble I had was helping with programming that game.

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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: metamorphium] #1038749
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Originally Posted By: metamorphium
smile awww maggsie. The only trouble I had was helping with programming that game.


And thank you for helping with the programming! bravo

Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1038753
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Couldn't wait for the DRM-free version directly from Jonathan which he mentions - downloaded today from Steam as soon as I noticed this. Seven years of waiting is finally over. No matter how long or short this one is. Can hardly wait for the real dark which comes here in Finland much sooner than for most of you, ha ha!

Timo

Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1038874
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I followed the link to buy this game which directed me to Steam which I've never used before. I wanted to go ahead and purchase but to do so I had to sign up for membership and all the "benefits" this would bring me (including more clutter in my in-box)
I declined. Why can't paeople just sell you something any more. It's surely not too smart to do this. I'm not a salesperson but I did go on a short course some time ago and I'll always remember the basic principle of successful selling "Never give your customer a disincentive to buy"
Fancy going into a shop and giving the product to be wrapped and just about to produce your credit card to be told "Oh, if you want that sweater Madam you'll have to....do this first/join this/provide these details/ agree to be contacted again".
Or am i just getting old and grumpy?!!

Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1038894
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meryl, life is no longer simple with VatMoss. For example I had to close my own simple DRM free shop. You can read about this here: http://store.cbe-software.com/index.php

I am part of anti-vatmoss campaign and I have proof that people having to comply with the rules already lost thousands of euros just for the bureaucracy involved. Steam and other solutions are currently the only way.

So while the big sharks this VatMoss is aimed at always have money to solve this, hundreds of smaller outlets (like us) just had to close the door.


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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1038895
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Hi Honza,
Hope things/life/health are well with you.

Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1038904
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awww flowers

isn't life meant to constantly try our patience and sanity? wink

Lots of things happened, both great and horrible and one new cool announcement coming soon.


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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: metamorphium] #1038913
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Very sad to hear about your shop, metamorphium frown


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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1038917
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Just read your story Metamorphium. How dreadful and I'm so sorry to hear it. I had no idea there were issues here other than those immediately apparent.

Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: meryl] #1038924
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Originally Posted By: meryl
I followed the link to buy this game which directed me to Steam which I've never used before. I wanted to go ahead and purchase but to do so I had to sign up for membership and all the "benefits" this would bring me (including more clutter in my in-box)
I declined. Why can't paeople just sell you something any more. It's surely not too smart to do this. I'm not a salesperson but I did go on a short course some time ago and I'll always remember the basic principle of successful selling "Never give your customer a disincentive to buy"
Fancy going into a shop and giving the product to be wrapped and just about to produce your credit card to be told "Oh, if you want that sweater Madam you'll have to....do this first/join this/provide these details/ agree to be contacted again".
Or am i just getting old and grumpy?!!


No clutter in your mailbox. I've been a member for many years and have no troubles or spam.


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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1038937
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Which is which on steam? There is "Midnight Horror and Halloween Horror"
The price on steam says 4.99 for Midnight Horror... Is that the same game...?


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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1038940
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Just click on the link in the first post.


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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1038941
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What first post ? The one that says 4.99 for the game...?

Also requirements says OS: Windows XP, Vista frown

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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1038942
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THe first post in this thread that I announced the game in. It has the link to the game on Steam.

The MINIMUM Requirements are XP and Vista.


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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1038944
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GOT IT thumbsup Its installing now...

Thanks Ana
Happy Halloween to all witch

I just started playing but I want to save the game as my doorbell is ringing off the wall with kids...How do you get to save the game?

I got it.... You have to press the ESC key...
It is really NICE... I LOVE IT !!!!

Thanks Johnathan what a nice surprise...

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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1039019
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Played it through. According to Steam game statistics it took 7 hours. The actual playing time may have been 2-3 hours less because I left it several times in pause state.

How good it felt to meet Nigel and other villagers again. But I can't avoid getting a thought that this was published in a hurry for Halloween. There is a confirmed bug with DJ voucher and there are several things that scream for use in the game:
Click to reveal..
runes in the fireplace, blackened names in Mankle family tree, door phone at the end of the upstairs corridor, several items in your inventory etc. Lucy and Nigel never explored things together as planned. And who was the murderer and what was the motive?
Some or all of these may find use or get explanation in "Last Crown: Blackenrock", but now they left only an unfinished and unpolished feeling.

But this gave us hope finally getting a full length episode in the Crown trilogy, quadrilogy or what ever it will be!

JB, you made my Halloween!

Timo

Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1039027
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Ohhhhhhhhhh You must be good, I have played for about an hour and not done much but then I am just enjoying being back in Saxton I think perhaps I should get on with the game thumbsup woot

Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1039028
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Forgive my ignorance but what is the difference between Steam and DRM? Is it hard to download on Steam?


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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1039030
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It is easy to download from Steam. Steam has DRM which means that it is copy protected and you can't burn it to a disk or lend it to someone.

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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: exalthim2] #1039033
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Originally Posted By: exalthim2
Forgive my ignorance but what is the difference between Steam and DRM?

DRM means Digital Rights Management.
That means ANY software-based contrivance which MANAGES your acquisition or use of the software (game, movie, etc.)

Copy "protection" is DRM, both disc-based and online activation.
Steam and Big Fish both require the use a client which activates games after downloading, as do many other companies.

"DRM-Free" means no online activation, no disc check for games that come on CD or DVD. "DRM-Free" games are available by direct download through your web browser at GOG, DotEMU, and sometimes developer websites. Sites like ShinyLoot, HumbleBundle, and Adventuregamers Store may give a choice of DRM-free direct download or Steam.

Steam likes to call some of their games "DRM-free" when the games don't require activation after downloading. But since the Steam client is still required to download the games in the first place, and you can't simply download them from a link with your web browser, the games are still being digitally MANAGED and aren't truly "DRM-free."


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Is it hard to download on Steam?

It is impossible unless you first install the Steam client.
All downloading from Steam must be done through the Steam client.
If you've used the Big Fish client, you should have a general idea how that works, though the interface on the Steam client will of course be different.

Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: Jenny100] #1039040
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Originally Posted By: Jenny100

Steam likes to call some of their games "DRM-free" when the games don't require activation after downloading. But since the Steam client is still required to download the games in the first place, and you can't simply download them from a link with your web browser, the games are still being digitally MANAGED and aren't truly "DRM-free."


I politely disagree. In this light every website selling DRM-free games is actually DRM, because they don't let anyone download the game. So you have to either set up an account, or they email you some generated link etc.

If you don't activate DRM on Steam (eg. Midnight Horror doesn't use any DRM) you can copy the game to a CD, uninstall Steam and play the game without ever running Steam client again. In short - you don't have to have Steam client running to run the game and it doesn't manage the data in any way you don't let it to.

So the correct view is that Steam is a service, not a DRM. Developers can choose to use a DRM inside Steam, but if they don't, the client is merely a downloader. You can go as far as to tell, that your game will be using online validation, but this all is developers decision, Steam doesn't force you to do anything like this.

Unlike other sites though, Steam allows developers to push updates directly to you. For example a few hours ago we've pushed a Midnight Horror update which automatically updates the game for all steam users without them having to lift a finger for it. So while there is some (for me to be honest non-understandable) movement against Steam (especially now when they offer refunds as not many places do this so easily) - from the viewpoint of developer, the benefits far outweights a couple of people having a beef with this service. If I compare it to malware like Securom, Safedisc or Laserlok which is being part of too many DVD releases, I am pretty happy with what they offer. smile

Another benefit is that until Steam stays, you don't have to care about backing up your games. Simply redownload them whenever you wish (no limits).

My only gripe is that sometimes games on Steam are almost two times more pricey, but that's once again a decision of developer in question. Developers are in full control over all aspects of their release including the price.

So just my two cents. wave


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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1039047
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I agree with you completely Jan, I happen to prefer Steam and find it easy to use and I enjoy and utilize the extras they offer as well.


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Re: Announcing Midnight Horror, the Prologue to The Last Crown: Blackenrock [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #1039049
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Quote:
If you don't activate DRM on Steam (eg. Midnight Horror doesn't use any DRM) you can copy the game to a CD, uninstall Steam and play the game without ever running Steam client again. In short - you don't have to have Steam client running to run the game and it doesn't manage the data in any way you don't let it to.


You can copy Steam games to a disk?! I have never been able to figure out how to do this, as there don't seem to be any folders associated with any of my Steam games. Like Jenny, I have always considered Steam to be its own form of DRM and tend to only use it when there is no other option, as it seems to be the least restrictive form of DRM. However if there is a way to copy their games to a disk and install it to a new computer, that really would make some of their games DRM free.

Would you be able to explain how to do this? I would love to save some backup copies if there is a way. smile


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