What do you think about disabling Fast Start Up? I have been reading a bit about it and am wondering if disabling it could be helpful with my BSOD's. I don't want to do it though if it can cause other problems.

Drac should be the one who weighs in on this, but interestingly when googling this I saw several mentions of Fast Startup and the fact that it can cause BSODs.

Disabling fast startup might help you or not. I had to do it some time ago when I was trouble shooting an issue and I never noticed it doing anything sketchy. Give it a try and see if it helps. If you don't notice any change, you and always re-enable it.

Thanks. I think I will try it as long as it can't hurt something else.

Marian, I did not actually see that it can cause BSOD's but what I read really made me think it could be an issue, something about drivers and kernels. My very non-tech self feels I have a problem that has to do with my network something or other.

It's not going to hurt anything to try it!

I changed it so I'll just have to wait and see. I don't get the BSOD at any particular time. Sometimes once a week, sometimes maybe more. Once I think I went about a month without one. I do keep a sloppy scribbled record, so if two months go by without one, I might think it helped. Fingers crossed!

It will be interesting to see what does (or doesn't) happen.

Same here - it will be interesting to see what happens - or hopefully, DOESN'T happen! Fingers crossed for you!

Thanks. I'll post back when I see, or don't see, something.

I had to look up BSOD not having any idea what this was. I have experienced this "blue screen of death" a few times many years ago. It was never a good thing. One time I got this nasty virus that caused it and had to search how to get rid of it using another computer. In safe mode I got rid of it. It was a problem for many. A fix was out there and it worked.

Olbroad you say you get the BSOD quite often. There is definitely a serious issue running on your computer. I will be surprised if disabling "fast startup" works but if it stops the BSODS I would still think you have issues with your computer causing them. Here are some suggestions you can try to help get rid of these BSODs:

Be sure to check the vids out as well HERE and HERE

Orion, this is an issue that has been ongoing for oldbroad for quite a long time. She has already tried multiple fixes, but they still happen now and then. Disabling Fast Startup is known to stop the problem in some cases. At this point, it's a what can you lose to try it situation.

I'm surprised you haven't heard of the infamous BSOD! I remember some cartoon strip about 20 years ago where the little kid dressed as a BSOD for a Halloween costume because it was so horrifying.

Well then I think it is time for a new computer

I would have understood the cartoon, BSOD is a very scary thing when it pops up

Orion, thank you for the links. My biggest problem really (not to contradict what Draclvr said) is troubleshooting. I am afraid to try most of the suggestions that I see for fear of running into some other issue. The error codes are never quite the same and I have looked up a lot of things, none of which are very specific. It seems that everything I've looked at can mean a hundred different things. I don't have the expertise to eliminate all of those things. Mostly, it seems I have some network problem. I'm hoping that a full shutdown (as opposed to the half shutdown/half hibernation that the computer apparently does while in "fast start up" mode) will be helpful. If not, it hasn't hurt anything to disable it, not even a slower start up. New computers can have the problem also. In fact, when I first bought this computer I encountered a Green Screen of Death at least once. I don't know what caused it but it didn't become a regular issue. I remember posting about it here and it seems like only Jenny100 had ever heard of it.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=green+screen+of+death+windows+10

I remember we tried driver conflicts and then talked about your network issues too.

Right Drac, but that was about it. Some suggestions when you Google say to run SFC scan now and DISM and Diagnostics and Mem Tests and what not. I am afraid to do any of that. I don't even know how to boot into Safe Mode and (though in years past I would do it) don't even want to attempt that.

Yeah, I get it. I used to do all that, but am much less anxious to start meddling too deep.

BSOD!

I had a bad feeling it was going to do it because it was gurgling a lot. Stupid me ignored it tonight and paid the price. By that I mean I lost a lot of work I had put into a Nonogram puzzle. Lately when I hear it gurgling I save and exit just in case but tonight I didn't and it did.

When a computer is making noises like that, you most likely have a hardware issue. I'm off to make applesauce today, so won't have a chance to look into this any further. Maybe open it up and make sure your fans are working. I can't remember, but were you monitoring the temps inside too??

Have you run a FULL antivirus scan maybe to eliminate an issue there? I take it you have. I wish you were able to do some of the things mentioned. It could help. It may be just a matter of time you lose it

This last BSOD, did you have fast startup disabled?

EDIT: Applesauce is one of my favorites. I have never had homemade, bet it is very good!

I don't know. It feels like this computer has always made these noises but that may not really be true. When it makes that noise the little light is usually blinking or on solid as if it is downloading or doing something. It kind of sounds like my coffee pot when I'm brewing a pot. One time I actually looked in my task manager while it was happening and saw something that seemed to be the cause but now I can't remember what it was. I know I Googled it at the time but don't remember what it said. I'll have to do that again. I forgot about that. Googling sounds like it could be my hard drive and I do hear the noise intermittently during the day but it does seem worse at night. Maybe because of the gaming?

I did test the temps a few times, yes.

Orion, unfortunately no. I look at that full scan button and just can't imagine how long it will take and then I don't do it. I have only been doing quick scans and smart scans with Norton, and Malwarebytes does its thing. Yes, fast start up is disabled so it didn't help.

When I do a full scan I start it before bed. It's done when I wake up. You should give it a try

That absolutely does sound like your hard drive which would also support the potential cause of the BSOD's. I know you don't like to do these things, but really, running a check disk would be a good thing to do. You could give it a command which would also fix any sectors that had errors. If you want to give it a try, these are pretty good instructions. It has my favorite - pictures!

https://www.howtogeek.com/1033/how-to-use-chkdsk-on-windows/

Will it instruct me to do things during the process? That is what worries me. Or will it just do its thing and then let me know the results? Also, how long might something like that take?

Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.

It just does its thing and lets you know. How long depends on the size of your drive and IF you have any bad sectors. A long time ago I had to run chkdsk on a drive several times. I just got a book and read while it did its thing.

Thank you. I'll figure out when might be a good time to try it.

Why aren't you out applesaucing?

We are done! 37 pints in the bag! Oh, my it's yummy!

I'll take your word for it! I'm not a huge applesauce fan. I like it. I eat it once in a great while. Sometimes the texture bothers me.

I am having a little trouble following the link you posted. If I can't figure it out I'll post back. Pictures or not, I just don't understand this stuff.

Edit 1 - Okay, I did the check disk on both drives through the file explorer and no errors were found. Do I still need to do it that other way?

Edit 2 - Well, even though doing check disk through file explorer says it doesn't correct any errors and it said none were found, my computer didn't do much gurgling tonight after the check disk while I played my Nonograms game. Coincidence ? It is a little earlier in the night than some other nights when I'm playing, if that means anything.

It wouldn't hurt to do it the other way, but that's good news about just doing it through Explorer. I would let it ride and if you hear the sound and it crashes again, it won't hurt to do the deep check disk. Something is definitely amiss with your hard drive.

The applesauce from the grocery store is horrid. I can see why you wouldn't be a big fan. We use really good fresh picked apples and only cinnamon and a bit of nutmeg in it - no sugar. Along with the marinara and chili sauce I canned this summer, we will eat well this winter!

Ran a full Norton scan (just for Orion) - no problems there. One thing I've noticed since I disabled Fast Start Up is that my Norton doesn't seem to be doing it's Smart Scan anymore when I turn my computer on. It used to, and all the settings still seem to be right. It shows Auto Scan is on and Auto Protect and all that stuff.

I didn't figure you had any malware problems. That's just not what it's acting like. But at least it's done! Don't use Norton, so not sure why the doesn't do the Smart Scan at startup. Seems like it would be the other way around!

Tonight the BSOD showed Net.iosys at the bottom which it has shown before and one of the reasons I said that I think it is a network problem. I guess my network adapter is Intel (R) Ethernet Connection (7) I219-V. If I try to update drivers in Device Manager it tells me that "Windows has determined that the best driver for this device is already installed". I looked in the past for drivers for this but didn't find anything and/or didn't know what I was looking at or for or what to do with it. In looking again tonight I still don't see anything helpful.

So, I guess I figured out how to do that chkdsk/f and did it. I don't know if it did anything. I thought it was going to take some time and I walked away from my computer for about 30 seconds. When I came back it was apparently finished already. Would that help anyway if it has to do with my network adapter?

And then, after I had already restarted the computer and the chkdsk had run there was a Windows notification to restart my computer to run it so I did it again and it did only take about 1 second. It showed 100%.

I’m surprised to read that, oldbroad, as I’ve never run a chkdsk type of check that finished in anything like 30 seconds.
But maybe I’ve just never run that particular one !!

I have found quite a bit on the netiosys BSOD error. It's not your network... it appears it could be a faulty network driver. The place you go to fine updated drivers is the manufacturer of your motherboard. Do you know what brand it is?

Those scans are pretty brief! I've had them take a very long time. Hopefully that means you don't have any bad sectors. I'm still concerned about your "gurgling" sound.

This is a LOT to slog through, but it does explain a lot. Supposedly the fixes work the same on both Windows 10 and Windows 11.

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/fix-netio-sys-bsod-error

Network, network drivers - that is all the same to me, and what I was looking for - drivers. Please don't expect me to use exact words when I don't know what I'm talking about.

Would that be this: ?

ASRock Z390 Pro4 (Intel Z390, HDMI, 2xPCI-E, 2xM.2,
6xSATA, 4xDDR4) |


Doesn't chkdsk fix bad sectors. Is there something else I should run like a disk cleanup or defragment or something?

My check disks have always taken considerably longer than this too, even when no problems are identified.

I did think that seemed awfully fast

Oh, my goodness, oldbroad! I am so sorry if I made you mad. I most definitely do not expect you to know all the terminology. But that's exactly why I clarified that everything I found pointed to a potential faulty network driver. It appears your network itself provided by your ISP is just fine. All this is confusing enough, so it's important that we are both talking about the same thing.

That is your motherboard. I went to the ASRock website and entered your model and looked up available drivers. I just can't tell for sure if any of them are for your Intel Ethernet Connection. However, I did find drivers that that particular ethernet version at the Intel website. You could try downloading that driver and then try updating it again.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...ethernet-connection-i219v/downloads.html

Disk cleanup and defrag are long gone! I remember watching those little blocks fill in for what seemed like hours like I was mesmerized! Checkdisk with the /f qualifier is supposed to fix any bad sectors it might find. And even if there are no bad sectors, 30 seconds is much too fast.

To be honest, I'm at a standstill here. I spent a couple of hours this morning researching this and this is the best that I can provide. Some of the fixes are a bit complicated and I know you don't like to get too technical with your computer. It just might be best to take it to your local computer repair shop. You have worked hard to try to get to the bottom of this and I know it must be frustrating.

It isn't that you made me mad exactly. I understand that if I want somebody to try to help me I need to be as exact as possible, but I'm pretty sure I never said anything about my ISP provider. Way early in this thread I referred to it as "my network something or other" and last night I provided my Network Adapter information which is what you have just posted in your newest link. I did see that page last night, however, I don't know what on that page is helpful for me. If I click on "view details" for that complete driver pack, it doesn't sound like it has anything to do with my computer. Oh wait. I didn't see the drop down scroll arrow before. It does show I219-V. Sorry about that! So, is that what I should try? Can it hurt my computer if it is not the right thing?

You didn't say anything about your ISP - you said this... "Tonight the BSOD showed Net.iosys at the bottom which it has shown before and one of the reasons I said that I think it is a network problem." Your network is what your ISP provider sends to your house to use the internet. That's why I had to make sure I separated the two - your network is fine! It's a network driver that may be your culprit. Like I said it's confusing enough!!

You can download the driver and it shouldn't hurt anything. Usually they just download the driver to a specific file and then when you do a driver update, it should search your computer for the driver. But it's not impossible the download includes a wrapper that actually installs the driver. I just don't know. It can't hurt anything and if the driver causes issues, you can always use the "roll back driver" option in Device manager.

I will leave it up to you!

It is some kind of zip file that sounds like it includes stuff I don't need so I hope my computer knows what to do with it or not do with it because I sure don't.

One thing that I know causes my computer to gurgle a lot is the Microsoft Compatibility Telemetry which does it's thing around 3 am .

LOL! I had to look up what Microsoft Compatibility Telemetry is! Never heard of it. But then I turn off all "reporting" on my system to the Microsoft gods in the sky.

I may have seen where to do that Drac, but cannot find it now. It really raises up my disk usage which I guess is what causes all that gurgling.

Back to that zip file which I did download. Should I just "extract all" or what? There are 11 folders in there and then some other stuff like "read me" and "3rd party licenses".

If you extract, all it will do just that and no more. If there is an executable file it there, it won't do anything until you activate it. I have no idea what is in there!

Okay, that just duplicated everything that it showed already. One of the 11 folders is called "NVM Update Package". It has 7 folders in it, none of them say I219-V.

Yes, that's what it's supposed to do. It takes the files out of the compressed/zip folder and puts them into a regular folder.

I had to look up NVM and it's nothing you need to worry about - something about node version manager. So forget that. Anything else in there that looks like an Intel driver? You could always try to update that driver in Device Manager and then point it to that file. I just have no idea what you have there and I'm kinda nervous about poking around in the dark! I guess it depends on how much you need to resolve the BSOD issue as this may not even help.

I want to think updating that driver will help but if I update it with something wrong I'm afraid I will not even be able to use my computer at all. This is what the 7 folders are called:

700_Series
E610
E810
E830
I210
I1225
X550

Each of those folders has 2 or 3 zip files in them. ???

Without seeing the files, I am completely lost here. I would feel better if one of them said I219. That's what I'm afraid of too, oldbroad.

It's nearly impossible to know what to tell you. This is why I really feel like this is something for a computer repair shop to address.

It's times like these that I miss Jenny100 fiercely! She would probably know what to advise you!

Okay, thanks. No computer repair shop to go to except Best Buy and I don't think I want to take it there for this. I'm just going to hope the computer keeps going until Windows 12 is released and I can purchase a new one. Yes, I miss Jenny100. She always was able to explain things in a way that I understood and almost always knew what I was trying to say or ask.

There's not much I can't figure out if I'm hands on with a computer. But trying to troubleshoot without actually seeing what's going on is tough. Jenny had a real knack for cutting through and was so much more confident in her knowledge. All Best Buy does is reinstall the operating system and restore the files.

So, I take it you're not going to do Windows 11? I just set up a new Windows 11 computer for a friend and I'm starting to like it a little more. I just found out that the software we use here at GB for the website and publishing reviews etc. will not work with Windows 11. It hasn't been supported since 2004, so it's ancient. So, now I have a conundrum... I need to upgrade, but I can't because of that. I'm thinking of installing a new M.2 solid state drive I purchased during an Amazon Prime Days sale and putting Windows 11 on that and setting this up as a dual boot. DREAD doing it though!

"There's not much I can't figure out if I'm hands on with a computer. But trying to troubleshoot without actually seeing what's going on is tough"

I agree, but you certainly manage to help plenty of folk, Draclvr - and all credit to you for that !!

I certainly understand the troubleshooting from a distance problem.

I don't know anything about Windows 11 and have nothing against it. What I am against is buying a computer with Windows 11 and 3 years from now having Microsoft stop supporting it. I am not an "upgrader". New OS means new computer to me.

You may have seen my recent posts in the break room regarding my internet. This is what I am not sure about. I don't know if it is actually my internet that goes out or if I am just losing connection because of this network adapter / driver issue or whatever it is. I know I have posted about this before but I don't think I gave specifics about what and why I wondered about it.

Thank you, Mad. But trust me, I don't hold a candle to Jenny100! I miss her fiercely and feel pretty inadequate most of the time.

Oh, I have to back all the absolutely well deserved praise given to Jenny 100.

She was a priceless person altogether and a good friend.
(We kept in touch a LOT.)

I have never stopped missing her and never will

I miss Jenny every day. Always remembered, never forgotten.