Let's Discuss: AI Usage in Games
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Just curious how you feel about the usage of AI in creating games.
Components of AI Usage in Games:
Graphics Text Coding Localization
Would you be less apt to purchase a game that utilized AI? Do you think they should all have labels requiring disclosure of what the developers used AI for? Currently Steam requires it, Epic does not. Does it not influence you in any way if you want to buy the game?
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Re: Let's Discuss: AI Usage in Games
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I’m rather of the same mind as oldbroad in that if I liked the look of a game I’d probably just buy it !!
Because what would be obvious if a game had used AI ??
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Re: Let's Discuss: AI Usage in Games
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Because what would be obvious if a game had used AI ?? Good question. I see people mentioning some game that has used AI, and frankly I would not have known. I am trying to become more savvy on the topic as not knowing whether something is real or whether it is AI may not have serious consequences in games but could certainly be important in real-life matters. I find it all a bit scary and disconcerting - the broader implications of it, that is. I see pros and cons with it in games, Ana. It will be interesting to see where we are with it and games a few years from now.
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Re: Let's Discuss: AI Usage in Games
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I don’t see bad consequences, really, for the use of AI in games - or am I being naive ?? Its use in real life however, reminds me of the internet …. Such a brilliant creation for “good” that has become so tainted from use by the “bad”  (But this is not really pertinent to the question asked by BrownEyedTigre.)
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Re: Let's Discuss: AI Usage in Games
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I am with Oldbroad and Mad TBH...I have no idea what AI is, maybe if I could see a side by side comparison I could have an opinion but until then I am indifferent I guess. 
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Re: Let's Discuss: AI Usage in Games
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My issue with AI is that is uses existing ideas and artwork from humans. There are a lot of protests and groups of different artists and writers who feel their work is being stolen and used without their permission. This fake art isn’t just produced by algorithms that are trained with vast amounts of energy and by people paid poverty wages. It also depends on AI giants using creative work and refusing to pay for it. Companies like Meta and OpenAI are hoovering millions of copyright books, songs and films into their AI tools without permission – creative work that the companies admit they would never be able to afford if they were actually paying for it. AI is at least getting better - it is famous for adding in extra fingers or hands in images. But in favor of game creators, it is much less expensive than hiring artists and writers and voice actors. But in favor of the artists and writers and voice actors, it is taking away jobs and stealing their existing work. I do believe it is inevitable.
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Re: Let's Discuss: AI Usage in Games
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But in favor of game creators, it is much less expensive than hiring artists and writers and voice actors. But in favor of the artists and writers and voice actors, it is taking away jobs and stealing their existing work. I do believe it is inevitable.
That has been the way of things since as far back as the "Industrial revolution, Draclvr, and I can't see it ever changing, either,
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Re: Let's Discuss: AI Usage in Games
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I believe I am going to like the use of AI but won't know for sure until they are announced and I can check them out. A darkside game I like what I see here. How this will play out in adventure games we have come to enjoy, I don't know. I look forward to their announcements. If I like it I'll get it
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Re: Let's Discuss: AI Usage in Games
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I’m genuinely frightened by AI.
I’m not opposed to it per se. I use it quite a lot, mostly as an advanced form of googling. I wouldn’t ever use it to create an image in a game, or to make voice overs. I absolutely hate that in games. (Well, I did use one image of a person in my latest game, but that was supposed to be an AI generated image, as part of the story). Coding doesn’t bother me as such, although I feel sorry for all the programmers that are losing their jobs.
Last week, I was at a restaurant with some friends. Someone wondered what music was playing, and someone else answered ”I think the music is generated by AI in real time. They do it in public places these days to avoid having to pay royalties”. He checked it with Shazam (an app that can identify music), and didn’t get any hit, which more or less is a guarantee that the music isn’t ”real”. It hadn’t struck my mind that the blues singer with the raspy voice wasn’t a real person, or that the harmonica or the guitar solo wasn’t played by real people, let alone that it wasn’t even composed by people. We’re not just talking synthesized sounds here, like digital strings used in a film score, but music created by computers. The charts on Spotify are now full of AI created music. Some have been debated. Anyone interested can look up Sienna Rose. This highly successful singer was suspected of being AI-generated, due to her lack of visual presence. When she finally uploaded a video presenting herself as a real person there was only one problem: The door frame behind her head changed shape when she moved.
As long as I can remember, a central - maybe the most central - theme in science fiction films and books has been the creation of robots that we can't differentiate from real people. Films like Blade Runner, Terminator and Westworld are all built around this concept. Why? Because it frightens us.
When music (or art if you will) can be created by machines, without us even being able to tell the difference, we’re one giant step closer to a similar scenario: A person walks in to the abovementioned restaurant, and we start a conversation about whether it’s a human or not.
However, apart from graphics and voice acting, we’re pretty far from AI being able to actually create games (especially adventure games, I think).
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