Re: ===[**CDM**]===
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04/28/22 11:06 PM
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ACCOSTS (Shoot-a-darn – I remember thinking about 'cost' for "dollars spent", but I didn't make the connection: accost=approach.) Hi Sue. Are there exceptions to the anagram fodder rule? I saw these examples recently: Farewell horrid lepidoptera – none seen for ages (6-3) Before anagramming, "era" needs to be replaced with 'o'. It's crazy changing what comes before pi (7) Before anagramming, "what comes before pi" needs to be replaced with 'omicron'. Neglectful having left off dicky bow (9) Before anagramming, the "l" needs to be deleted.
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Re: ===[**CDM**]===
[Re: Lex]
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04/29/22 07:40 AM
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Well solved, Helmer! This belt cost a lot! ===[**CDM**]=== I think the clues you're asking about are borderline, at best. The first one (toodle pip) is arguably fair because the letter replacement was cued. The second one (moronic) is not a legal cryptic (to a purist) and is probably of British origin. They're often more relaxed with the rules. Can't solve the third one off the bat so I don't know if it's legal.
The moon is actually more useful than the sun since the moon gives us light at night when it's dark. The sun only gives us light during the day when it's already bright out.
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Re: ===[**CDM**]===
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...and is probably of British origin. They're often more relaxed with the rules. Wash your mouth out with soap and water, Madame Noodlemeister! Anyone trying that one over hear these days would be run out of town We do not allow the anagramming of a synonym (indirect anagram), but what we do allow is modification of the synonym by adding to it (either in the middle or on the ends) provided the letter order of the synonym is not altered and there is an appropriate indicator. For example: Giant can, accepting thanks -> TitanWalk holding universal jeweller's tool -> loupeCan't figure the last one either - all I can come up with is "genuflect"
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Re: ===[**CDM**]===
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(Penny drops) I see - "dicky" as an indicator! Don't know what Lex thinks but I would say that was perfectly legit over here. What about in the States, Sue?
To waste one second of one's life is a betrayal of one's self. I wonder what's on television...?
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Re: ===[**CDM**]===
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Dicky is fine as an indicator, so anagram of neglectful with one l removed (left off) = genuflect I see that Helmer is becoming a very diligent student of crossword lore...
Last edited by Lex; 04/30/22 02:59 AM.
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Re: ===[**CDM**]===
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(Penny drops) I see - "dicky" as an indicator! Don't know what Lex thinks but I would say that was perfectly legit over here. What about in the States, Sue? Dicky is a British word. Over here, it's a neckpiece. Excuse me, I have to put on my trainers and pop round to the chemist to buy crisps.
The moon is actually more useful than the sun since the moon gives us light at night when it's dark. The sun only gives us light during the day when it's already bright out.
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Re: ===[**CDM**]===
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Helmer is becoming a very diligent student of crossword lore What a nice thing to say. Thank you, Lex. Maybe I can live up to that. For me, the learning curve seems similar to picking up a foreign language. I'm not well-read. I don't care about literary classics or entertainment industry details. I'm not interested in geography or history, either. Add British idioms, unfamiliar abbreviations and slang to the mix, and solving clues becomes a real challenge. My learning plan is: Make mistakes! Ask questions! Here's another question. Are synonyms directional? For example, revamp=change. That is, reference books list change as a synonym of revamp, but they do not list revamp as a synonym of change. How do setters determine whether their choice of synonyms is fair? The current cryptic clue in this thread is mine: Expand big showstopper (6) I can't tell whether 'expand' is a good choice because some references don't list the answer as a synonym of my direct, but they do list my direct as a synonym of the answer. Perhaps, this is more fair: Fill out big showstopper (6)
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Re: ===[**CDM**]===
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The meaning of dicky may depend upon spelling: I think dickey may be the more usual spelling for a clothing item, and I wonder whether dicey is related to dicky for the wobbly/uncertain meaning. Helmer, I think that a US purist would probably say that the synonym had to be listed both ways, but the GB approach would probably be more relaxed/tolerant.
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Re: ===[**CDM**]===
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Helmer, I think that a US purist would probably say that the synonym had to be listed both ways, but the GB approach would probably be more relaxed/tolerant. Denis and I locked horns over this many times. As a US purist, I think the synonym has to be listed both ways. The point being that a cryptic should be solvable and fun, not obscure and frustrating. A well written cryptic clue is something to be admired.
The moon is actually more useful than the sun since the moon gives us light at night when it's dark. The sun only gives us light during the day when it's already bright out.
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Re: ===[**CDM**]===
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My turn to be dense: why is ten a showstopper? (Ten out of ten perhaps, or even a perfect ten, but that does not seem strong enough to me) I think fatten is fine as a synonym of expand, and I remember the clashes between Pandora and Denis over some of his rather far-fetched synonyms...!
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Re: ===[**CDM**]===
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dollars Impoverished = anagram ind. Surgeon's = dr captivated = container ind.
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Re: ===[**CDM**]===
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Thank you, Helmer! Drops in after God (4)
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Re: ===[**CDM**]===
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Here's your belt, Sue! And may the fourth be with you. ===[**CDM**]===
The best math you can learn is how to calculate the future cost of current decisions.
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Re: ===[**CDM**]===
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Thank you, Cheryl! May the fourth be with you, too. Continuing with your theme... God riding draft horse (4)
The moon is actually more useful than the sun since the moon gives us light at night when it's dark. The sun only gives us light during the day when it's already bright out.
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